The sailor who is accused of giving material support to al-qaeda

[dahunan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2007/03/07/AR2007030702577.html


If true.. would you support an immediate death sentence in cases like this?

>>>EDIT<<<I apologize.. I did not mean without due process.. Bad wording that now F'd up my whole question


I just feel that treason such as this .. at this level is the worst thing that can be done to citizens of America...

I think that anyone found messing with our voting system is equally as bad or worse than the above case also.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dahunan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2007/03/07/AR2007030702577.html


If true.. would you support an immediate death sentence in cases like this?

Depends on the the consequences of his actions.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

lock him up, if they lose the key, oh well.

 

[BoomerD]

Hmmm...hang him from the yardarm...
Aye-aye Cap'n Bligh!

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dahunan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2007/03/07/AR2007030702577.html


If true.. would you support an immediate death sentence in cases like this?

Depends on the the consequences of his actions.

Yup. And no matter how heinous the crime, there should always be an appeals process.

 

[amish]

what's the penalty for treason?

 

[fskimospy]

The penalty for treason can be up to death, but just about anything short of that too. Minimum sentence is 5 years if I remember right.

I'm pretty much always against the death penalty, as I view it as pointless... but certainly against 'immediate death'. Summary execution is not the american way, and it deprives him of his right to due process. So, sounds pretty unconstitutional to me.

 

[RichardE]

Kill him

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The idea of instantly executing someone without proper due process is ridiculous and a slap in the face to the Founding Fathers.

 

[dahunan]

I apologize.. I did not mean without due process.. Bad wording that now F'd up my whole question

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dahunan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2007/03/07/AR2007030702577.html


If true.. would you support an immediate death sentence in cases like this?

Depends on the the consequences of his actions.

If you think terrorists are from the lunatic fringes of whatever cause they espouse, here's a chance to show we're one better. We can take the time to deliberate his guilt or innocence and the appropriate penalty in a fair public trial based on both what he did and the consequenes of his specific acts, instead of clammoring for a hanging or firing squad based on nothing but emotional reactions.

If he's guilty, and anyone died as a result of his acts, a reasonable case could be made for a death sentence, but it wouldn't bring back those who died. Beyond that, killing him means nothing, other than to show the world we can sink to the level of those we label as evil. In the case of Islamic jihaaidis, it just plays into their stupid martyrdom game.

If this guy's guilty, he's a traitor and more, and he deserves appropriate punishment commensurate the consequnses of his crimes. What does that say about a President and his administration who's lies and deciet have already cost the lives of almost 3,200 Americans, as of today?

 

[BoomerD]

Sorry...IF he's cinvicted, he gets executed. PERIOD...fvck all that "death penalty sefves nothing" bullsh*t...it DOES serve a purpose. Both punative AND (hopefully) preventative.
I'm a Democrat who not only supports the death penalty, but also believes it needs to
a) be used more often.
b) make more crimes subject to the death penalty.

Does executing a convicted person bring back those who were killed? Nope...but it's not supposed to. It is a PUNATIVE act...it's the ultimate punishment for crimes against humanity...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Sorry...IF he's cinvicted, he gets executed. PERIOD...fvck all that "death penalty sefves nothing" bullsh*t...it DOES serve a purpose. Both punative AND (hopefully) preventative.
I'm a Democrat who not only supports the death penalty, but also believes it needs to
a) be used more often.
b) make more crimes subject to the death penalty.

< sarcasm >

Good luck with your next parking ticket. If you lose, at least, it'll help clear up the gene pool. :thumbsdown: :roll: :thumbsdown:

< /sarcasm >

 

[Genx87]

Test weapons on him.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Sorry...IF he's cinvicted, he gets executed. PERIOD...fvck all that "death penalty sefves nothing" bullsh*t...it DOES serve a purpose. Both punative AND (hopefully) preventative.
I'm a Democrat who not only supports the death penalty, but also believes it needs to
a) be used more often.
b) make more crimes subject to the death penalty.

< sarcasm >

Good luck with your next parking ticket. If you lose, at least, it'll help clear up the gene pool. :thumbsdown: :roll: :thumbsdown:

< /sarcasm >

I don't get parking tickets...(I have the blue "preferred parking" placard that lets me park ALMOST anywhere without penalty...)

 

[Sinsear]

Fair trial first and foremost.

Then KILL him!!!!

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Sorry...IF he's cinvicted, he gets executed. PERIOD...fvck all that "death penalty sefves nothing" bullsh*t...it DOES serve a purpose. Both punative AND (hopefully) preventative.
I'm a Democrat who not only supports the death penalty, but also believes it needs to
a) be used more often.
b) make more crimes subject to the death penalty.

< sarcasm >

Good luck with your next parking ticket. If you lose, at least, it'll help clear up the gene pool. :thumbsdown: :roll: :thumbsdown:

< /sarcasm >

so now we equate a parking ticket with treason?....interesting

 

[piasabird]

Death By Firing Squad.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Sorry...IF he's cinvicted, he gets executed. PERIOD...fvck all that "death penalty sefves nothing" bullsh*t...it DOES serve a purpose. Both punative AND (hopefully) preventative.
I'm a Democrat who not only supports the death penalty, but also believes it needs to
a) be used more often.
b) make more crimes subject to the death penalty.

Does executing a convicted person bring back those who were killed? Nope...but it's not supposed to. It is a PUNATIVE act...it's the ultimate punishment for crimes against humanity...

Well, you can definitely say that the death penalty serves a punitive purpose. No argument there. What does this punishment do though? What does it gain anyone?

As a preventitive measure the death penalty is an utter failure. There is absolutely no correlation between the existence/frequency of use of the death penalty and a reduction in crime. So, you really can't use prevention as an argument for it.

Not to turn this into a death penalty debate, but why should we kill this guy? The purpose of the criminal system is to protect the public, provide justice, and to serve as a deterrance to future crime. Do you view his death as justice? If so, justice for who? Despite his (alleged) crime, nobody appears to have died as a result of his actions, so is his death justified? I don't think it is, but I'm interested to see why other people might.

Note: ALL TRAITORS MUST DIE1&**1!!!11!@!#!$ Is not the kind of answer I'm looking for.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Test weapons on him.

Oh cool, then we would be like NK. :thumbsup:

 

[BoomerD]

ALL TRAITORS MUST DIE1&**1!!!11!@!#!$

heh-heh...

Treason is punishable by death. Allowing them to languish away in some FMITA prison on our dime accomplishes nothing, except perhaps to give them time to spread their hatred to others in the system, gain allies via networking, and grow old. To me, giving information to your enemies has the potential of causing loss of life to our troops, and DAMMIT Bush & Co. do a good (bad?) enough job of that...
Give him a FAIR trial, not some trumped-up kangaroo court, THEN, IF he's found guilty...execute him.

 

[imported_iNGEN]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Does executing a convicted person bring back those who were killed? Nope...but it's not supposed to. It is a PUNATIVE act...it's the ultimate punishment for crimes against humanity...

Now heres a Dem with his head on straight. Now if we can just get more of you in office, and some Republicans who are not globalists maybe we can all sleep at night without worrying our children will have to pay 70% of their income for entitlement programs just to live in a police state.

The idea of instantly executing someone without proper due process is ridiculous and a slap in the face to the Founding Fathers.

That is factually inaccurate. Washington, John Adams, Quincy Adams, Henry Lee, Madison, Hamilton, and Patrick Henry all commented at one time or another that summary execution has a just place in law. In all cases I am aware of, their comments were limited to use by the military upon its own members. In fact, when I left the service, summary execution still existed in the Uniform Code of Military Justice and was used as recently as the Korean War.

 

[imported_iNGEN]

The purpose of the criminal system is to protect the public, provide justice, and to serve as a deterrance to future crime. Do you view his death as justice? If so, justice for who? Despite his (alleged) crime, nobody appears to have died as a result of his actions, so is his death justified? I don't think it is, but I'm interested to see why other people might.

"The criminal court stands to seek justice by the punishment of the criminal." - Thomas Jefferson (since he's the architect of our judicial system of which the criminal system is part I think his opinion has a lot of weight in describing its purpose.

"Never can justice be done by the application of punishment used as a deterent to future infraction. By definition, such a punishment does not befit the crime." - Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis.

Following Brandeis' lead not only does prevention serve as a poor argument in support of the death penalty; it is an unjust one. However, I would agree the death penalty is not only acceptable in this case, but warranted. He knowingly provided aid to declared enemies of the United States who seek to kill Americans. At least the enemy themselves deserve the respect of an adversary. Not only that, but he did so after swearing an oath to protect the life of every American. I say good riddance to bad garbage.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: dahunan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2007/03/07/AR2007030702577.html


If true.. would you support an immediate death sentence in cases like this?

>>>EDIT<<<I apologize.. I did not mean without due process.. Bad wording that now F'd up my whole question


I just feel that treason such as this .. at this level is the worst thing that can be done to citizens of America...

I think that anyone found messing with our voting system is equally as bad or worse than the above case also.

Hysterical over-reaction on your part. Treason with a death penalty would have to happen in a time of war and involve information you could not get off a news channel.

 

[palehorse]

so, wait, let me get this straight: This man wasn't kidnapped from his home and sent to an underground secret detention facility? he hasnt been waterboarded and interrogated to within an inch of his life? He hasn't been denied counsel?!

WHOOAA!

that's odd... after all, the far left kooks here at ATP&N had all of us convinced that this would start happening to "anyone suspected of ties to terrorists," and that perhaps even Bush himself would get off on watching videos of the subsequent torture and mayhem!

I guess they were wrong.