The Ryan pick is good for the country overall

[micrometers]

I don't think he's going to help Romney win.

But it's better that we have an election be about big things like the role of government and the budget and taxes than have an election be about garbage issues like abortion or gay marriage.

 

[techs]

I agree. Lets get the radical Republican agenda out in the open and discuss it.
Thats the first step in the twelve step program to bring Republicans back to reality.

 

[Doppel]

But it's better that we have an election be about big things like the role of government and the budget and taxes than have an election be about garbage issues like abortion or gay marriage.

You speak too soon, those issues will come up soon enough. Wedge issues designed to distract, and they do a marvelous job at it.

 

[micrometers]

You speak too soon, those issues will come up soon enough. Wedge issues designed to distract, and they do a marvelous job at it.

No, I don't think so. I saw the Palin pick and it was pretty clear from the start that it was a culture war pick.

Ryan is a shitty intellectual I think, but at least he tries and that's his focus.

 

[Modelworks]

I'm still laughing at how many people think it really matters who is put in office, when was the last time any candidate did what they promised ?

 

[Arkaign]

I'm still laughing at how many people think it really matters who is put in office, when was the last time any candidate did what they promised ?

I'm in agreement with this. Obama is not a commie socialist, he's Bush III, complete with the same usual unelected powers running the puppet show behind the curtains.

The public debate (that you see here, on annoying people's FB/Twitter posts, on the news talk shows) is depressingly funny because you get :

The right-wing talking heads and zombies blasting Obama, when he's basically the exact same thing as Bush, whom they tirelessly defended and helped elect to two terms.

and ..

The left-wing talking heads and zombies defending Obama, when he's the same.

Romney and co. are the same band of liars and thieves as the rest of them. We're good and fucked, and we're really arguing over the scent on the toilet paper as we're all flushed down the fucking toilet.

 

[stlc8tr]

I'm still laughing at how many people think it really matters who is put in office, when was the last time any candidate did what they promised ?

There is a difference. It's just the lesser of two evils.

 

[chowderhead]

Yes, we need a debate on the budget including all aspects of the budget from entitlements to military spending to everything. Romney is still a terrible candidate but at least Ryan has ideas about the budget.

 

[Rainsford]

I'm still laughing at how many people think it really matters who is put in office, when was the last time any candidate did what they promised ?

Pretty much every candidate? None of them do EVERYTHING they promise, but pretty much every President achieves some of their goals. Obama, for example, got Obamacare passed. Whether you like it or not, do you really think the same thing would have happened with a Republican in office?

 

[Rainsford]

Yes, we need a debate on the budget including all aspects of the budget from entitlements to military spending to everything. Romney is still a terrible candidate but at least Ryan has ideas about the budget.

I agree that choosing Ryan might help bring specific budget issues front and center...but I don't think that's to the Republicans' benefit. It's a lot easier to talk vaguely about "slashing the budget" and "lowering taxes" when you don't have to mention which particular parts of the budget you plan on slashing and who's taxes you're focused on lowering.

Of course even if the specifics of the Republican plan might end up being unpopular, that still highlights the Democrats' lack of a good plan when it comes to many budget specifics. At least they aren't arguing that you can balance the budget with major tax cuts, but their plan lacks a lot of details and numbers.

 

[Lemon law]

The Ryan Budget is right now all hat and no cattle. But if Romney and Ryan get elected and try to impliment the rosy Ryan Budget that they tout as so wonderful, the actual outcome may not live up to the billing.

As I am pretty sure the Ryan buget plan will put the US into a full blown depression in under 2 years.


Remember GWB invading Iraq, as his advisers said it would cost 50 billion tops. It too did not quite work out as promised.

 

[schneiderguy]

I don't think he's going to help Romney win.

But it's better that we have an election be about big things like the role of government and the budget and taxes than have an election be about garbage issues like abortion or gay marriage.

You're mistaken. The Democrats will be bleating about abortion, gay marriage, and the War on Womyn soon enough. They need to distract voters from realizing that O'bamma the Marxist Kenyan Post Turtle is a complete failure as a President.

 

[JKing106]

I'm in agreement with this. Obama is not a commie socialist, he's Bush III, complete with the same usual unelected powers running the puppet show behind the curtains.

The public debate (that you see here, on annoying people's FB/Twitter posts, on the news talk shows) is depressingly funny because you get :

The right-wing talking heads and zombies blasting Obama, when he's basically the exact same thing as Bush, whom they tirelessly defended and helped elect to two terms.

and ..

The left-wing talking heads and zombies defending Obama, when he's the same.

Romney and co. are the same band of liars and thieves as the rest of them. We're good and fucked, and we're really arguing over the scent on the toilet paper as we're all flushed down the fucking toilet.

Agreed. There is no difference between the parties. As a matter of fact, there's on one party with two factions. The Plutocratic Party. The only difference if Romney/Ryan wins is that the "white" will be back in the White House. Sadly, that matters very much to some people. Ask Spidey.

 

[JKing106]

Pretty much every candidate? None of them do EVERYTHING they promise, but pretty much every President achieves some of their goals. Obama, for example, got Obamacare passed. Whether you like it or not, do you really think the same thing would have happened with a Republican in office?

Seeing how's it's almost literally their plan from the 90's, yeah, it would have happened if the President had an "R" after his name, eventually.

 

[Lemon law]

You're mistaken. The Democrats will be bleating about abortion, gay marriage, and the War on Womyn soon enough. They need to distract voters from realizing that O'bamma the Marxist Kenyan Post Turtle is a complete failure as a President.

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As I submit a humble translation of the schneiderguy post.

1. It was GWB&co, who in eight short years managed to collapse both the US and even the world economy. And now Romney and Ryan policy is simply a continuation of the same failed GWB policies.

2. Obama inherited a basketcase economy, and even if he tries to impliment better policies to help the US ecomomy recover, first a GOP minority Senate totally filibuster real reforms in tax codes and financial reforms in 2008-2010. And now a GOP majority now plays the same blocking role after 2010. But unlike GWB, who got us into a hole and kept digging the hole deeper, at least Obama is preventing policies that dig the hole much deeper. At least this has not become a Hurbert Hoover depression where unemployment went from 8% to 25% as Hoover policies then were the same as Romney and Ryan advocate now.

3. But maybe the proof in the pudding schneiderguy, between now and November, is which party will use wedge issues. In the recent past, wedge issues have always been mainly a GOP tactic.

 

[Rainsford]

You're mistaken. The Democrats will be bleating about abortion, gay marriage, and the War on Womyn soon enough. They need to distract voters from realizing that O'bamma the Marxist Kenyan Post Turtle is a complete failure as a President.

Yes, damn those conniving Democrats, distracting voters by bringing up things Republicans do and say.

At a certain point, I think a party loses all right to complain about "unfair" issues. For one thing, obviously they're real issues to a large portion of the population or the other guys wouldn't keep bringing them up (and you wouldn't care because it wouldn't be a good strategy if they did). For another, it's not like the criticism on those issues is unfounded. Republicans as a party ARE anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and bad on women's issues to the point where they come across as pretty anti-women. If Republicans don't like their position on those issues being brought up, there is a pretty easy way to fix that...

 

[Rainsford]

Seeing how's it's almost literally their plan from the 90's, yeah, it would have happened if the President had an "R" after his name, eventually.

Maybe if the party hadn't taken a hard right turn in the past few decades. There is no WAY the Republican party of today would do anything that even remotely smelled like universal health care.

 

[Incorruptible]

Maybe if the party hadn't taken a hard right turn in the past few decades. There is no WAY the Republican party of today would do anything that even remotely smelled like universal health care.

Universal health care is wrong and should be ended, I dont want to pay for this

 

[JKing106]

Maybe if the party hadn't taken a hard right turn in the past few decades. There is no WAY the Republican party of today would do anything that even remotely smelled like universal health care.

Yeah, you're right. Republican are now fascists, and Democrats are Eisenhower era Republicans. Bill Clinton was the best Republican President we've ever had.

 

[Throckmorton]

I'm still laughing at how many people think it really matters who is put in office, when was the last time any candidate did what they promised ?

So under McCain we'd have McCare?

 

[zsdersw]

So under McCain we'd have McCare?

No, under McCain we'd have this:

 

[lopri]

Well at least he's not an idiot like Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman, Rick Santorum, or (shudder) Sarah.

I don't know much about his budget bills other than some second-hand accounts, so I'll reserve my judgment.

 

[Incorruptible]

Well at least he's not an idiot like Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman, Rick Santorum, or (shudder) Sarah.

You forgot the other idiot named bark hussain obozo

 

[Rainsford]

Universal health care is wrong and should be ended, I dont want to pay for this

My point wasn't that UHC is awesome (or the first horseman of the apocalypse), it's that it's clearly a difference between voting Democrat and voting Republican...for those who think they're exactly the same.

 

[Incorruptible]

My point wasn't that UHC is awesome (or the first horseman of the apocalypse), it's that it's clearly a difference between voting Democrat and voting Republican...for those who think they're exactly the same.

You forget that both parties serve corporate interests and UHC would help out corporations so the republicans would support it IF they were in charge.