The role of the marines in the military

[vood0g]

What function does the marines have in the military? compared to other branches, how much action do they see?

 

The way I understand it, the Marines usually are the first units to enter into hostile territory...they're basically the 'first responders' on the ground for the military. Then, when the situation is relatively under control, the Army rolls in with their huge batallions and numbers of men. So typically, Marines, see the most front-line action of any 'branch,' though they're technically part of the Navy.

At least that's how I understand it...I could be wrong.

 

[imported_vr6]

marines get ALL the action. They do most of the fighting.

 

[Mallow]

what's the old adage?

The Marines: First to arrive, first to die? It holds pretty true.

 

[MacBaine]

They see more action, go in first, are more highly trained as fighters, and kick a lot of ass. They are basically the front line fighters, whereas the Army provides a wider range of services. Members of the Army are trained less in combat on average, and instead are specifically trained in a job field such as engineering, medical, communications, etc.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MacBaine
They see more action, go in first, are more highly trained as fighters, and kick a lot of ass. They are basically the front line fighters, whereas the Army provides a wider range of services. Members of the Army are trained less in combat on average, and instead are specifically trained in a job field such as engineering, medical, communications, etc.

Um, you need to tell that to the Infantry, the Airborn and the Special Forces.

 

[imported_FishTaco]

Marines also serve as guards in our embassies.

 

[FoBoT]

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[Tauren]

My younger brother was a Marine. The recon units motto is: "First to fight, first to die."

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MacBaine
They see more action, go in first, are more highly trained as fighters, and kick a lot of ass. They are basically the front line fighters, whereas the Army provides a wider range of services. Members of the Army are trained less in combat on average, and instead are specifically trained in a job field such as engineering, medical, communications, etc.

Um, you need to tell that to the Infantry, the Airborn and the Special Forces.

This is so true!!!

Damn how ignorant can people be!!

I don't remember the Marines as the first to launch an assault in Iraq!!

BTW, the 82nd Airborne is the most highly trained unit in the Armed Forces.

 

[crazycarl]

they often do humanitarian missions as well. but they basically are designed around the 'marine air-ground task force' which means that ground operations and air support are integrated under one command for a specific mission. and the description of 'first responders' is definitely accurate. there are marine expeditionary units all around the world, which is basically 3 ships containing troops , LAVs, helicopters, and harrier jets. they get sent to crisis areas quickly this way.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MacBaine
They see more action, go in first, are more highly trained as fighters, and kick a lot of ass. They are basically the front line fighters, whereas the Army provides a wider range of services. Members of the Army are trained less in combat on average, and instead are specifically trained in a job field such as engineering, medical, communications, etc.

Um, you need to tell that to the Infantry, the Airborn and the Special Forces.

Marine infantry is trained more than army infantry, and like I said, on average, army personel are trained less in combat roles. The number of support personel in the army greatly outnumber those in more advanced combat positions, IE Rangers, Special Forces, Airborne, etc.

 

[vood0g]

Originally posted by: jumpr
The way I understand it, the Marines usually are the first units to enter into hostile territory...they're basically the 'first responders' on the ground for the military. Then, when the situation is relatively under control, the Army rolls in with their huge batallions and numbers of men. So typically, Marines, see the most front-line action of any 'branch,' though they're technically part of the Navy.

At least that's how I understand it...I could be wrong.

yea that was what my understanding was, and from the other responses, i am not that far off. the thing is, my little sister who is turning 18 soon wants to join the marines. i am all cool with that as long as she understands what she is getting in to. she is saying soemthing like its a good way to go through college and that the marines rarely ever see fighting. she claims that she goes into training for a few years and when her time is up, she will have an easier way through college...crazy kid.

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MacBaine
They see more action, go in first, are more highly trained as fighters, and kick a lot of ass. They are basically the front line fighters, whereas the Army provides a wider range of services. Members of the Army are trained less in combat on average, and instead are specifically trained in a job field such as engineering, medical, communications, etc.

Um, you need to tell that to the Infantry, the Airborn and the Special Forces.

Marine infantry is trained more than army infantry, and like I said, on average, army personel are trained less in combat roles. The number of support personel in the army greatly outnumber those in more advanced combat positions, IE Rangers, Special Forces, Airborne, etc.

Maybe that is because the Army is larger and requires more support units??
Marine infantry are NOT trained more than Army infantry.
Were you ever an infantryman in the Army or Marines?

 

Originally posted by: vood0g

Originally posted by: jumpr
The way I understand it, the Marines usually are the first units to enter into hostile territory...they're basically the 'first responders' on the ground for the military. Then, when the situation is relatively under control, the Army rolls in with their huge batallions and numbers of men. So typically, Marines, see the most front-line action of any 'branch,' though they're technically part of the Navy.

At least that's how I understand it...I could be wrong.

yea that was what my understanding was, and from the other responses, i am not that far off. the thing is, my little sister who is turning 18 soon wants to join the marines. i am all cool with that as long as she understands what she is getting in to. she is saying soemthing like its a good way to go through college and that the marines rarely ever see fighting. she claims that she goes into training for a few years and when her time is up, she will have an easier way through college...crazy kid.

IF she rarely wants to see fighting, she should go to college and go into the Air Force ROTC. Not only will she be in the Air Force (which hardly ever faces real, live combat on the ground) but she'll be an officer when she graduates.

If she enlists, she'll likely be held over for much longer than her initial tour of duty, the way things are going now.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MacBaine
They see more action, go in first, are more highly trained as fighters, and kick a lot of ass. They are basically the front line fighters, whereas the Army provides a wider range of services. Members of the Army are trained less in combat on average, and instead are specifically trained in a job field such as engineering, medical, communications, etc.

Um, you need to tell that to the Infantry, the Airborn and the Special Forces.

This is so true!!!

Damn how ignorant can people be!!

I don't remember the Marines as the first to launch an assault in Iraq!!

BTW, the 82nd Airborne is the most highly trained unit in the Armed Forces.

Careful who you are calling ignorant. I am well aware what roles these branches/units played in Iraq. The Marines undertook much more combat on average than the army. The Army is more focused on support, stabalization, and occupation than the Marines. ON AVERAGE, your average Marine will see much more combat than the Average member of the Army. If you are going to dispute this than you're just plain ignorant.

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[crazycarl]

the army still fights, the army still dies

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MacBaine
They see more action, go in first, are more highly trained as fighters, and kick a lot of ass. They are basically the front line fighters, whereas the Army provides a wider range of services. Members of the Army are trained less in combat on average, and instead are specifically trained in a job field such as engineering, medical, communications, etc.

Um, you need to tell that to the Infantry, the Airborn and the Special Forces.

Marine infantry is trained more than army infantry, and like I said, on average, army personel are trained less in combat roles. The number of support personel in the army greatly outnumber those in more advanced combat positions, IE Rangers, Special Forces, Airborne, etc.

I don't know about that. Most of the males in my family have been in the Marines. My brother (Combat Officer) has been in both the Army and the Marines. He says the Army trains much more. Marines get there first because they are more easily deployed but yes you are more likely to see action in the Marines.. In any case the physical &amp; combat training of Marines is exagerated. Most of the ones I know are dying on PT day and aren't all that good on the range.


<----Grew up on Paris Island.

 

[vood0g]

ok, i just spoke to her and this is what she says.

1. you go to a college that has a program in which u go to boot camp for 13 weeks, and then they pay your way through college.
2. during your actual duty, she can have an administrative position (office work, non-combat) if she chooses since she is a girl. she claims that girls do not have to fight unless they WANT.
3. bootcamp is different for girls.

I do not know anything about the military, so can you guys verify the truths to these statements? I just dont want to sound stupid when I am trying to tell her otherwise.

 

Originally posted by: fredtam

<----Grew up on Paris Island.

Parris Island?

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MacBaine
They see more action, go in first, are more highly trained as fighters, and kick a lot of ass. They are basically the front line fighters, whereas the Army provides a wider range of services. Members of the Army are trained less in combat on average, and instead are specifically trained in a job field such as engineering, medical, communications, etc.

Um, you need to tell that to the Infantry, the Airborn and the Special Forces.

Marine infantry is trained more than army infantry, and like I said, on average, army personel are trained less in combat roles. The number of support personel in the army greatly outnumber those in more advanced combat positions, IE Rangers, Special Forces, Airborne, etc.

I don't know about that. Most of the males in my family have been in the Marines. My brother (Combat Officer) has been in both the Army and the Marines. He says the Army trains much more. Marines get there first because they are more easily deployed. In any case the physical &amp; combat training of Marines is exagerated. Most of the ones I know are dying on PT day and aren't all that good on the range.

<----Grew up on Paris Island.

I know several Marines and even more Army servicemen. The point I was trying to make though is that the Marines are more focused on combat than the Army. Yes, you have combat units in the Army, obviously, but you have far more support units in the Army, and units focused on infrastructure and stability than the Marines do.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: vood0g
ok, i just spoke to her and this is what she says.

1. you go to a college that has a program in which u go to boot camp for 13 weeks, and then they pay your way through college.
2. during your actual duty, she can have an administrative position (office work, non-combat) if she chooses since she is a girl. she claims that girls do not have to fight unless they WANT.
3. bootcamp is different for girls.

I do not know anything about the military, so can you guys verify the truths to these statements? I just dont want to sound stupid when I am trying to tell her otherwise.

Yes it is true except for the boot camp is different for girls. The requirement are different but are just as demanding. Relatively speaking.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: fredtam

<----Grew up on Paris Island.

Parris Island?

Yes except I forgot an R. As i said most of the male members of my family are/ were Marines.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: vood0g
ok, i just spoke to her and this is what she says.

1. you go to a college that has a program in which u go to boot camp for 13 weeks, and then they pay your way through college.

She makes it sound like it's a summe camp. Marine ROTC OCS is *hard*. I have a friend who just finished, and he is one of the most hardcore people I know, and he said it was the hardest thing he's ever done.

2. during your actual duty, she can have an administrative position (office work, non-combat) if she chooses since she is a girl. she claims that girls do not have to fight unless they WANT.

I doubt she's going to get to choose where she is assigned. Non-combat is not necessarily a desk job

3. bootcamp is different for girls.

Wrong

I do not know anything about the military, so can you guys verify the truths to these statements? I just dont want to sound stupid when I am trying to tell her otherwise.

If she is joining the Marines because she thinks it is an easy way to get through college, please tell her she is making the biggest mistake of her life.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MacBaine
They see more action, go in first, are more highly trained as fighters, and kick a lot of ass. They are basically the front line fighters, whereas the Army provides a wider range of services. Members of the Army are trained less in combat on average, and instead are specifically trained in a job field such as engineering, medical, communications, etc.

Um, you need to tell that to the Infantry, the Airborn and the Special Forces.

Marine infantry is trained more than army infantry, and like I said, on average, army personel are trained less in combat roles. The number of support personel in the army greatly outnumber those in more advanced combat positions, IE Rangers, Special Forces, Airborne, etc.

I don't know about that. Most of the males in my family have been in the Marines. My brother (Combat Officer) has been in both the Army and the Marines. He says the Army trains much more. Marines get there first because they are more easily deployed. In any case the physical &amp; combat training of Marines is exagerated. Most of the ones I know are dying on PT day and aren't all that good on the range.

<----Grew up on Paris Island.

I know several Marines and even more Army servicemen. The point I was trying to make though is that the Marines are more focused on combat than the Army. Yes, you have combat units in the Army, obviously, but you have far more support units in the Army, and units focused on infrastructure and stability than the Marines do.

This is because the Marines are supported by the Navy. The Marines are basically the Infantry of the Navy. Call the Marines and Navy one unit, and the number of them who see combat shrinks dramatically. The Army supports itself.