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The RocketHybrid 1220 is out...

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allthatisman

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... who is going to take the plunge? ;-)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816115097

There are no reviews of any kind that I can find, which to me seems like a bad sign. If they didn't send at least a few units out to sites like AT, OCN, X-Bit, etc., is it safe to assume that this product failed to deliver?

If I had a spare HDD for testing, I'd buy one just to test it out. For gamers especially, this product would be a exactly what a lot of people were hoping the Momentus XT would offer, but ultimately failed to...
 
IIRC Silverstone also made something like this.

I think it is too little too late, with this technology being built into future Intel chipsets starting with Z68 in a few weeks.
 
I have never seen much good from the 3rd party IDE or SATA controllers that weren't specifically built for the server space. It may be great, but I certainly wouldn't be an early adopter.
 
No idea how I hadn't heard of these before. It's an interesting concept, I'd definitely be interested in seeing how it actually performs.
 
Zap said:
IIRC Silverstone also made something like this.

I think it is too little too late, with this technology being built into future Intel chipsets starting with Z68 in a few weeks.
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Oh, **THAT'S** interesting. I'd sure like to see some reviews of that - what is it, like a mega-hybrid HD where the SSD is used for caching for a much larger spindle drive? Potentially a way around the space limitations of SSD drives alone while preserving most of the performance benefits?
 
the only people I see buying that are either have an older board that doesn't have sataIII and want to get the most out of their ssd or want a few more ports if their mobo only has 2 sataIII ports.

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just read the manufacturers site, seems this combines an ssd and a hdd for a lower cost than a single large capacity ssd. Nice concept but nothing I would ever buy.
 
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I still dont' see any benefit of this. put everything important on your ssd and anything else not. I would also guess that it wears out the ssd pretty quickly, eg. a lot more writes than with normal usage.
 
seems like a seagate momentus xt with a much more generous cache. i think i'm going to grab one and put a 30GB vertex 1 that i have laying around in it and give it a whirl.

EDIT: i wonder what the recommended ratio is for ssd vs hdd for optimal performance. like 5GB SSD per 100GB HDD or something.
 
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The Silverstone product has been around for some time now, and when it came out was rather underwhelming. The RocketHybrid is supposedly designed more like the Momentus XT, in that it either predicts which programs you use most, and "caches" them on the attached SSD, using it to "accelerate" future usage. They also show that you can manually control which programs you want accelerated. I think that the number of programs will vary depending on the capacity of the SSD.

They assert that this product is 80% of the speed of an SSD, but with all the capacity and cheap space of an HDD. The issue of space and dollar/gb is one of the main reasons many people, including enthusiasts on this site, are still not willing to buy an SSD. Gamers especially, either have to have a lot of money for large SSDs or get used to uninstalling games after they've been completed. This product would essentially quash all of that... assuming it works as intended...
 
allthatisman said:
The Silverstone product has been around for some time now, and when it came out was rather underwhelming. The RocketHybrid is supposedly designed more like the Momentus XT, in that it either predicts which programs you use most, and "caches" them on the attached SSD, using it to "accelerate" future usage. They also show that you can manually control which programs you want accelerated. I think that the number of programs will vary depending on the capacity of the SSD.

They assert that this product is 80% of the speed of an SSD, but with all the capacity and cheap space of an HDD. The issue of space and dollar/gb is one of the main reasons many people, including enthusiasts on this site, are still not willing to buy an SSD. Gamers especially, either have to have a lot of money for large SSDs or get used to uninstalling games after they've been completed. This product would essentially quash all of that... assuming it works as intended...
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yeah. i'm reading the documentation on the highpoint card now and it looks legit. the silverstone, from everything i read, gives you about a 25% boost over an HDD. nowhere near the speeds of an ssd. they have the highpoint at microcenter so i may grab one on the way home.

http://www.highpoint-tech.com/PDF/RH122x/RocketHybrid122X_User_Manual_110107.pdf

there's a link to the documentation.
 
Just another copy cat/band aid solution for a small niche market. Adaptec and LSI have been using that tech for some time now. Intel is coming along now with their version.

If it was coming from a more reliable mfgr with better support it might be worth a look. But it's not.

Funny thing is by the time you buy a nice HDD and that card to pair with a smaller SSD?.. you could have just bought another small SSD to pair up with the other one for a MUCH faster R0 for twice the capacity.

Then just think how fast you could uninstall those old games to make room for the new ones, eh? LOL
 
groberts101 said:
Just another copy cat/band aid solution for a small niche market. Adaptec and LSI have been using that tech for some time now. Intel is coming along now with their version.

If it was coming from a more reliable mfgr with better support it might be worth a look. But it's not.

Funny thing is by the time you buy a nice HDD and that card to pair with a smaller SSD?.. you could have just bought another small SSD to pair up with the other one for a MUCH faster R0 for twice the capacity.

Then just think how fast you could uninstall those old games to make room for the new ones, eh? LOL
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What...?

The card is $59, and a decent 500gb HDD is like $35-40 (assuming you don't already have an HDD...), together they are cheaper than almost ANY SSD... So you are saying that RAID 0 60-64gb SSD's is more than enough to compete with the capacity of a 500gb HDD+the capacity of whatever SSD you pair it with? Sorry, but RAID 0 SSD's is for people who love to benchmark SSD's, and almost never translates into faster real world results. As far as the increased capacity? Well you have doubled two small drives, at the cost of TRIM, and increased likelyhood of data loss/drive failure (but that's a wash, since I would imagine that to be the case with this card setup as well).

Bottom line, SSD's are great, but HDDs rule the $$/gb area, and a lot of people need more than 128gb's of capacity. SSD's will stay at over $1/gb+ for a long while still, so if this product can make good on the performance claims they make, I say it's a problem solver for a lot of people.

In the end though, I have my doubts...
 
nanaki333 said:
yeah. i'm reading the documentation on the highpoint card now and it looks legit. the silverstone, from everything i read, gives you about a 25% boost over an HDD. nowhere near the speeds of an ssd. they have the highpoint at microcenter so i may grab one on the way home.

http://www.highpoint-tech.com/PDF/RH122x/RocketHybrid122X_User_Manual_110107.pdf

there's a link to the documentation.
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Please pick on up ;-) If Fry's had one locally, I would do the testing, but I would have to get it from Newegg, and I don't want to pay to ship it back+15% restock fee if it turns out to suck.
 
allthatisman said:
What...?

The card is $59, and a decent 500gb HDD is like $35-40 (assuming you don't already have an HDD...), together they are cheaper than almost ANY SSD... So you are saying that RAID 0 60-64gb SSD's is more than enough to compete with the capacity of a 500gb HDD+the capacity of whatever SSD you pair it with? Sorry, but RAID 0 SSD's is for people who love to benchmark SSD's, and almost never translates into faster real world results. As far as the increased capacity? Well you have doubled two small drives, at the cost of TRIM, and increased likelyhood of data loss/drive failure (but that's a wash, since I would imagine that to be the case with this card setup as well).

Bottom line, SSD's are great, but HDDs rule the $$/gb area, and a lot of people need more than 128gb's of capacity. SSD's will stay at over $1/gb+ for a long while still, so if this product can make good on the performance claims they make, I say it's a problem solver for a lot of people.

In the end though, I have my doubts...
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yeah.. I am saying that 2 SSD's in raid would be better than that particular setup. Is why I even made the joke about still needing to delete/reinstall games to make it work.

And if raiding SSD is all about benchmarks?.. my 6 SSD array OS volume scores higher marks than most of the guys around here. No numbers or stopwatch needed. Oh yeah.. it boots faster than a single SSD too. lol

and yeah I hear ya about the capacity guys wanting more speed but there is no magic bullet for those setups yet. These tricks can help for sure and you can bet that the mfgr is banking on you buying one to "test" for yourself. They could really care less if you decide to keep it or not so long as they sell enough to the "SSD is too expensive" niche and early adopter/optimists.

If you really want to save yourself some time and money? Go buy some more ram and give Fancycache by Romex a try. Many using games and running VM's are loving it so far. Turns your whole C-drive into one big ramdisk. Price is right too.
http://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/fancy-cache/
 
groberts101 said:
yeah.. I am saying that 2 SSD's in raid would be better than that particular setup. Is why I even made the joke about still needing to delete/reinstall games to make it work.

And if raiding SSD is all about benchmarks?.. my 6 SSD array OS volume scores higher marks than most of the guys around here. No numbers or stopwatch needed. Oh yeah.. it boots faster than a single SSD too. lol

and yeah I hear ya about the capacity guys wanting more speed but there is no magic bullet for those setups yet. These tricks can help for sure and you can bet that the mfgr is banking on you buying one to "test" for yourself. They could really care less if you decide to keep it or not so long as they sell enough to the "SSD is too expensive" niche and early adopter/optimists.

If you really want to save yourself some time and money? Go buy some more ram and give Fancycache by Romex a try. Many using games and running VM's are loving it so far. Turns your whole C-drive into one big ramdisk. Price is right too.
http://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/fancy-cache/
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I recently tried going from 4gb>8gb and all I noticed was a doubling of my pagefile... of course I didn't add the Romex software. I can see this having an effect since RAM is so much faster than almost everything in the PC. My buddy has a 640 Black Ed. and once he loads a game and then loads it again, he is pretty much there with me on the load times and I have an SSD...
 
Well, i use a combination of magnetic and ssds.

i have 3 intel's in raid 0, and its more due to storage then speed.
I then have a 256gig C300 i use for games.. but those can go if too many writes are done on them.

So the last 2 drive spots i have are Raptors in raid0, as my junk / write file.


this way i have the best of both worlds 🙂
 
To me this would be great for a gaming drive. Windows already fits on just about any SSD, along with however many apps you use (provided that you don't go overboard).

That said, why do we even need hardware for this? Isn't this a software problem? It's not like we don't already have SATA ports.

We need some sort of SSD ReadyBoost. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is a way to configure ReadyBoost to use part of an SSD as a cache for your stuff that's not on an SSD.
 
aigomorla said:
Well, i use a combination of magnetic and ssds.

i have 3 intel's in raid 0, and its more due to storage then speed.
I then have a 256gig C300 i use for games.. but those can go if too many writes are done on them.

So the last 2 drive spots i have are Raptors in raid0, as my junk / write file.


this way i have the best of both worlds 🙂
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Wow... not to beat a dead horse here but, you have (depending on which Intel SSDs you have) well into a $1000 for a roughly combined, maybe 1-1.5tb of space? And like you said, you RAID for capacity, not speed.. to which I agree because once you have a gen 2+ SSD, you are pretty much satisfied with the speed of things. It starts to become more about how you manage your disk space and what goes on the SSD and what doesn't.

In all likelyhood though, this product will probably suck, since Intel is doing something very similar with the X68 platfrom. The guys at Tom's tested it and their results were not very promising (although with them you never know...). If Intel can't get it right...
 
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SickBeast said:
We need some sort of SSD ReadyBoost. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is a way to configure ReadyBoost to use part of an SSD as a cache for your stuff that's not on an SSD.
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this is much faster and you can set it to use the SSD for a hybrid disk arrangement as well. One's cheap(free actually)
http://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/fancy-cache/

and the other is big $$$ with not nearly the flexibility.
http://www.superspeed.com/servers/supercache.php

I'm surprised none of you guys know about this software. It helps HDD based OS volumes far more than SSD based due to such large gains. Been out for about 8 months now too with many revisions so far.
 
groberts101 said:
this is much faster and you can set it to use the SSD for a hybrid disk arrangement as well. One's cheap(free actually)
http://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/fancy-cache/

and the other is big $$$ with not nearly the flexibility.
http://www.superspeed.com/servers/supercache.php

I'm surprised none of you guys know about this software. It helps HDD based OS volumes far more than SSD based due to such large gains. Been out for about 8 months now too with many revisions so far.
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Thanks for that.

I just don't trust beta software with my data. I would want to use it on my gaming partition, and I don't back it up.

I might give it a try if I get brave enough. I'm curious to see what it would do to game loading times.
 
Not enough information in the docs to indicate the real benefit of doing this. Like someone else said, what recommended ratios are needed for best performance? Also, can you use the external ports in parallel with the internal ones? The manual is actually decent but doesn't go deep enough. I would consider it if I need a couple more SATA3 ports.
 
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