The rise of the Trump?

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White nationalists celebrate after Rush Limbaugh quotes Sam Francis, claiming vindication of their views



In the midst of Trump’s sustained popularity heading into the Iowa caucuses, the words of the late Sam Francis, an influential white nationalist, are being held up as vindicated by his peers.
On his January 20 broadcast, hard-right, conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh quoted a 1996 article penned by Francis for Chronicles titled “From Household to Nation” about Pat Buchanan’s presidential campaigns and position relative to mainstream conservatism.
Sooner or later, as the globalist elites seek to drag the country into conflicts and global commitments, preside over the economic pastoralization of the United States, manage the delegitimization of our own culture, and the dispossession of our people, and disregard or diminish our national interests and national sovereignty, a nationalist reaction is almost inevitable and will probably assume populist form when it arrives.
The passage, considered prescient by Limbaugh, followed an analysis by Michael Brendan Dougherty at The Week that argued that Francis had accurately described Donald Trump’s rise to popularity. White nationalists quickly held up Limbaugh and Dougherty’s statements as vindication.
A day later, the National Review took its stand against Trump, to the chagrin of mainstream conservatism and the celebration of the extremist right, which views the rebuke as the ultimate honor for Trump, a candidate who has shirked conventional tactics throughout his campaign.
Several days after Limbaugh’s broadcast, the National Review article appeared in full at Richard Spencer’s white nationalist thought catalog Radix Journal and the celebration of Francis’s foresight and Trump’s upending of the establishment began.
Hannibal Bateman, writing at Radix, declared that, “The dispossession of the Beltway Right is a moment that should be celebrated and seized. … The controlled grammatical tyranny they have exercised over the thought of the Right is nearing its end. Instead of writing their obituaries with a period, let’s do it with an exclamation mark!”
Brad Griffin, a leader in the League of the South and the force behind the white supremacist blog Occidental Dissent, wrote that same day, “Sam Francis was right: we need to stop pretending we are ‘true conservatives’ or that we have anything in common with these bow-tied, low-T clowns. We don’t support the ‘conservative agenda’ as articulated by the National Review. We are populists and nationalists, which means we are ‘tethered’ to the well-being of our own people and protecting and advancing their interests, not some abstract ideology.”
“Lord Tinsdale,” a prolific poster at Stormfront, the largest online white supremacist forum, went a step farther and admonished Limbaugh for refusing to acknowledge the inherent role of race in Francis’s argument.
“Now if only El Rushbo will also acknowledge, that what’s at the heart of this Nationalist & Populist movement is Racialism,” he wrote. “Come on Limbaugh. Grow a real set of nuts would ya [sic].”
In “From Household to Nation,” Francis reflected on a conversation he once had with Pat Buchanan at a fundraising event in which Francis told Buchanan that,
he would be better off without all the hangers-on, direct-mail artists, fund-raising whiz kids, marketing and PR czars, and the rest of the crew that today constitutes the backbone of all that remains of the famous ‘Conservative Movement’ and who never fail to show up on the campaign doorstep to guzzle someone else's liquor and pocket other people's money. … Go to New Hampshire and call yourself a patriot, a nationalist, an America Firster, but don't even use the word ‘conservative.' It doesn't mean anything any more.”
Admittedly, it rings of Trump. However, for all his supposed prescience about the merits of identifying as a conservative, it is important to remember that at his core, Francis was a racist who said such things as:
If whites wanted to do so, they could dictate a solution to the racial problem tomorrow — by curtailing immigration and sealing the border, by imposing adequate fertility controls on nonwhites and encouraging a higher white birth rate, by refusing to be bullied into enduring ‘multiculturalism,’ affirmative action, civil rights laws and policies; and by refusing to submit to cultural dissolution, inter-racial violence and insults, and the guilt that multiracialists inculcate.
Look no further than the voices that are celebrating Limbaugh for citing the ideas of a white nationalist as a “historic turning point,” to see who are most excited by the rise of Trump. Make no mistake, however. It’s not Trump himself they’re celebrating, but the space he has created in the mainstream for their extreme views.


If I were supporting Trump, I would definitely reconsider.

best,
swampy
 

Jhhnn

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So Trump's not racist, just #1 with racists. No wonder Fox News is pissed. He's stealing their audience.
 

Indus

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I would not change Trump's voters mind 1 bit.

He's the best suited to “transform the electoral map” by turning red states blue.
 

Jhhnn

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I would not change Trump's voters mind 1 bit.

He's the best tranformational figure we have in the United States and he is more likely to “transform the electoral map” by turning red states blue.

You may be right. I think the Repub base is beginning to have an epiphany of sorts. The outcome is very much up in the air, however, teetering between coming to their senses or just going bug fuck.
 

Indus

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From PBS NewsHour last friday:


JUDY WOODRUFF: A fury in the Twitterverse ensued, as Cruz hit back, defending his wife, Heidi, and calling Trump a coward.

A day later, Trump ratcheted up the war of the wives, when he retweeted an unflattering image of Mrs. Cruz. Polls show Trump’s standing with women voters has worsened in recent months. According to the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll, 64 percent of women say they have a strongly unfavorable reaction to him. That’s 18 points higher than it was in August.

So what do we say about this? Did we ever think this was going to be the lead story out of a campaign for president of the United States?

DAVID BROOKS: Yes, that’s the first thing I was going to say. Are we really here? Is this really happening? Is this America? Are we a great country talking about trying to straddle the world and create opportunity in this country?

It’s just mind-boggling. And we have sort of become acculturated, because this campaign has been so ugly. We have become acculturated to sleaze and unhappiness that you just want to shower from every 15 minutes.

The Trump comparison of the looks of the wives, he does have, over the course of his life, a consistent misogynistic view of women as arm candy, as pieces of meat. It’s a consistent attitude toward women which is the stuff of a diseased adolescent.

And so we have seen a bit of that show up again. But if you go back over his past, calling into radio shows bragging about his affairs, talking about his sex life in public, he is childish in his immaturity. And his — even his misogyny is a childish misogyny.


And that’s why I do not think Republicans, standard Republicans, can say, yes, I’m going to vote for this guy because he’s our nominee. He’s of a different order than your normal candidate. And this whole week is just another reminder of that.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Could this finally be something, Mark, that really does hurt Donald Trump?

MARK SHIELDS: Well, we have predicted nine of his last eight stumbles, and they have yet to all materialize.

Judy, whoever did that political action committee ad has to be thrilled, because it elicited from Donald Trump the worst of his personality, the bullying, the misogyny, as David has said, brought it out.

But I think it’s more than childish and juvenile and adolescent. There is something creepy about this, his attitude toward women. Take Megyn Kelly of FOX News, who he just has an absolute obsession about, and he’s constantly writing about, you know, how awful she is and no talent and this and that. It’s an obsession.

And I don’t know if he’s just never had women — strong, independent women in his life who have spoken to him. It doesn’t seem that way.
His daughter…

JUDY WOODRUFF: She has asked him tough questions in that debate.

MARK SHIELDS: She just asked him tough questions and was totally fair, by everybody else’s standards.

But there is something really creepy about this that’s beyond locker room. It’s almost like a stalker, and I just — I thought this was — it actually did the impossible. It made Ted Cruz look like an honorable, tough guy on the right side of an issue.

And, you know, I just — I just marvel at it. And I don’t know at what point it becomes, you know — politically, he’s still leading. And I would have to say he’s the overwhelming favorite for the Republican nomination.
 
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cubby1223

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It's a damn shame the Democrats punted on their primaries. It's really the only reason why Trump is in consideration.
 

nickqt

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It's a damn shame the Democrats punted on their primaries. It's really the only reason why Trump is in consideration.

Democratic primaries are serious, non-violent events, with two candidates behaving as civilized adults towards each other, and the Democrats punted on their primaries.

Brilliant reasoning and cogent analysis!
 

MongGrel

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It's a damn shame the Democrats punted on their primaries. It's really the only reason why Trump is in consideration.

WTF does the Democratic Primaries have to do with Drumpf and the GOP to begin with ?

You're just still really clueless.
 

Moonbeam

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All the brain power says Trump can't be happening, but he is. It's just so fucking hilarious. Imagine a nation that made no sense. But it's the perfect place for Americans.
 

Pardus

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The choices for president are Clinton or Trump. Whom do you dislike the least ?
 

swamplizard

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All the brain power says Trump can't be happening, but he is. It's just so fucking hilarious. Imagine a nation that made no sense. But it's the perfect place for Americans.

Greetings Moonie,

It is time that we took the Trump phenonomon as serious and act to counter it.

best regards,
swampy
 

Greenman

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I keep hearing about Trumps racism, I keep hearing how vast swaths of america despise him, I keep hearing about his dismal poll numbers, but he keeps winning primaries. Should he win the general election (which I doubt will happen), the ensuing meltdown is going to be epic.
 

Indus

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All the brain power says Trump can't be happening, but he is. It's just so fucking hilarious. Imagine a nation that made no sense. But it's the perfect place for Americans.

It's because there's a certain segment of the population that are xenophobes and racists.

This is a crosspost from another forum:

we need Trump to fix all these problems
in my opinion we should do these things:
1. deport all Muslim immigrant (legal or not legal), they are potentially dangerous;
2. deport all illegals, regardless for their citizenship;
3. for the future, closed borders...no more foreigners here (except for tourists and people who want to live here for less than 1 year);
4. drastic punishment for illegal immigration (life without parole or death depending on the single case if they are not white)
5. we also have a worthless colony full of latin americans Puerto Rico (I really think we should give Portoricans full independence because we're wasting our time and money with them and above all we have those "people" here in our soil everywhere...)
6. we also have Chinese Americans, Vietnamese Americans, Indian Americans etc...and they have American passport and a naturalization certificate....unfortunately our problems comes from this situation
7. Native Americans are illegal too and need to be deported.
My family came here from Holland in 1901 so I'm a real American


I don't know if that's for all Trump voters or only the crazy ones but he seems to have the crazy lunatic vote locked down. And most non lunatics are D: by that.
 

Greenman

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All the brain power says Trump can't be happening, but he is. It's just so fucking hilarious. Imagine a nation that made no sense. But it's the perfect place for Americans.

It does make sense Moonie. What we're seeing is a reaction. A reaction to being called racists, a reaction to political correctness, a reaction to the never ending stream of people who want to place themselves in groups that get special attention and benefits.
Trump is what entitlement thinking has lead to, Trump has made himself the champion of those who aren't special, the huge group of people that are sick and tired of being called racists because they don't like all the special interest groups. Someone like Trump almost had to come along.
 

Jhhnn

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All the brain power says Trump can't be happening, but he is. It's just so fucking hilarious. Imagine a nation that made no sense. But it's the perfect place for Americans.

Trump comes at the repub hierarchy right in one of their blind spots. They still can't comprehend that their own words & deeds created the opportunity he exploits.

They've been running an authoritarian leadership cult racket since Reagan. They just haven't found anybody since GWB who fits the role. When Trump saw that, he grabbed the mic & made himself the star. He started on his presidential quest as a semi-mythical persona & built on that.
 

nickqt

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It does make sense Moonie. What we're seeing is a reaction. A reaction to being called racists, a reaction to political correctness, a reaction to the never ending stream of people who want to place themselves in groups that get special attention and benefits.
Trump is what entitlement thinking has lead to, Trump has made himself the champion of those who aren't special, the huge group of people that are sick and tired of being called racists because they don't like all the special interest groups. Someone like Trump almost had to come along.
You're right. They always do come along and take advantage of people who feel that they aren't special.

Strongmen who con the disillusioned out of whatever it is they have by pretending to give a shit about them.

They typically identify some group of people who they can blame as being responsible for the disillusioned people's failure to integrate into modern society. People who can be blamed for the disillusioned people's failure to thrive economically. People who can be blamed for the disillusioned people's failure to realize that they have been taken advantage of by representatives for decades, and lied to over and over again, used simply as useful idiots.

And those disillusioned people will proclaim that if only their Strongman gets into power, he'll fix everything simply by getting into power. Make the trains run on time. Provide living room for the real citizens. Make America Great Again.

It's happened before, and it will happen again.
 

Greenman

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You're right. They always do come along and take advantage of people who feel that they aren't special.

Strongmen who con the disillusioned out of whatever it is they have by pretending to give a shit about them.

They typically identify some group of people who they can blame as being responsible for the disillusioned people's failure to integrate into modern society. People who can be blamed for the disillusioned people's failure to thrive economically. People who can be blamed for the disillusioned people's failure to realize that they have been taken advantage of by representatives for decades, and lied to over and over again, used simply as useful idiots.

And those disillusioned people will proclaim that if only their Strongman gets into power, he'll fix everything simply by getting into power. Make the trains run on time. Provide living room for the real citizens. Make America Great Again.

It's happened before, and it will happen again.

I disagree. Trump isn't running for God Emperor, he can't rule the US. The most he can do is bring issues into focus, and see that laws already in place are enforced. Most anti Trump propaganda is based on the assumption that the other 2 arms of Government are somehow neutralized. He can stem the flow of illegals coming in from Mexico, and he could probably get some import rules changed to help American industry, but he certainly can't deport anyone that's a legal resident.

The discussion needs to come out of the world of stupid and focus on reality. The stupidity of claiming Trump is a racist because of fringe group support is absurd. Judge the man on his actions, not what you think his actions might be in the bizzaro universe.
 

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I disagree. Trump isn't running for God Emperor, he can't rule the US. The most he can do is bring issues into focus, and see that laws already in place are enforced. Most anti Trump propaganda is based on the assumption that the other 2 arms of Government are somehow neutralized. He can stem the flow of illegals coming in from Mexico, and he could probably get some import rules changed to help American industry, but he certainly can't deport anyone that's a legal resident.

The discussion needs to come out of the world of stupid and focus on reality. The stupidity of claiming Trump is a racist because of fringe group support is absurd. Judge the man on his actions, not what you think his actions might be in the bizzaro universe.

Greeting Greenman,

You mean the actions of keeping all muslims from entering, of building a massive wall and "making" Mexico pay for it, for uttering violent remarks at his rallies and pretending his words didn't beget violence, for making anti-female remarks and saying that no one is better for women than him. etc. etc. I think we know what his actions entail, just ask David Dukes and the KKK, the LOS(ers), the CCC, etc and etc.

best regards,
swampy
 

Indus

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I disagree. Trump isn't running for God Emperor, he can't rule the US. The most he can do is bring issues into focus, and see that laws already in place are enforced. Most anti Trump propaganda is based on the assumption that the other 2 arms of Government are somehow neutralized. He can stem the flow of illegals coming in from Mexico, and he could probably get some import rules changed to help American industry, but he certainly can't deport anyone that's a legal resident.

The discussion needs to come out of the world of stupid and focus on reality. The stupidity of claiming Trump is a racist because of fringe group support is absurd. Judge the man on his actions, not what you think his actions might be in the bizzaro universe.

That's what the crowds and violence is for.
 

flexy

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The stupidity of claiming Trump is a racist because of fringe group support is absurd. Judge the man on his actions, not what you think his actions might be in the bizzaro universe.

I am judging T's (and his followers') racism on WHAT HE SAYS.

He makes "radical Islamism in the US" an issue even IF IT AIN'T.

He, in a more-or-less subtle way, blames Latinos for whatever problems in this nation and stirs the common retard notion that "JOSE STOLE MY JOB!!11" by focusing MOST of his campaign on illegals, Latinos, The Wall etc....while those are not main priorities AT ALL. (Illegals are *one* issue, correct, but not the reason for a lack of jobs).

If he were not racist, AS YOU CLAIM, why is 90% of his campaign about minorities....paired with a rather abstruse idea of "patriotism" and "true Americanism".

This is what a demagogue like Hitler does/did, stir emotional, relatively un-important issues and make them THE main issue.

And this well qualifies us to call him a racist....despite the other known shit he pulled, like implying that all/most Mexicans are criminals, rapists etc...

Obviously, some "screw" must be lose with some Trump supporters who seriously claim he is not racist. At least there are those who openly admit it.
 

IronWing

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No, no, no, no, and no. Trump was endorsed by Carson. That cancels one overt race-baiting statement. He hired a black woman to do stuff in his campaign. That's a twofer so you have to cancel out the next two most appalling race-baiting statements. So you have to start with Trump's fourth most offensive race-baiting statement as the first three are covered by get-foot-out-of-mouth-free cards.