The Rick Santorum venting thread

sportage

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Since Rick needs to be vetted, he should have his own thread.
My first question, is it true Santorum's brought home their dead baby, that died two hours after birth, that they brought the dead baby home to introduce it to their other children (surviving children, that is)? And they actually played with the dead child while it was at home?
No one else feel this is totally insane? Not to mention the trauma their living children must have suffered during this.
And THIS is the guy many republicans want as the leader of the free world?
To lead moral leadership concerning women’s rights? Civil rights. Gay rights?
And I thought Michele Bachmann was a crack pot...

Ps. ops... SB "vetted", not vented. :D
 
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Seems like much of the GOP field is a bunch of crazy people. Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, and Paul. Santorum seems pretty normal when compared to that bunch.
 

etrigan420

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He's just the fruit du jour of the Republican's this week.

That his turn in the limelight happened to coincide with the Iowa Caucus was fortunate for him, but will probably end up being more short lived than Cain's or Perry's.

Romney is their nominee...even if they don't want to admit it yet.
 

Perknose

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He's a radical fundamentalist facist, a gibbering idiot, and a dishonest scumbag: Have children, but bilk the government for the outrageous cost of their cyber-fundie education! I live in Pa and remember that scandal. Here is the gist, bolded, from Wiki:

Santorum was mired in controversy over his residence in Virginia, where he and his family stay while the Senate was in session. He admitted that he spent only "maybe a month a year, something like that" at his Pennsylvania residence,[27] which critics argued was hypocritical because Santorum himself had denounced, and defeated, Rep. Doug Walgren-PA for living away from his House district.[28] Santorum faced damaging stories that he enrolled five of his children in an online "cyber school" in Pennsylvania, for which the Penn Hills school district was billed $73,000, despite the fact that all the children lived in Virginia.[29] Santorum aimed a television ad suggesting that Casey's supporters had been under investigation for various crimes. The negative ad backfired, as the The Scranton Times-Tribune found that all but a few of Casey's contributors donated when he was running for other offices, and none were investigated for anything.[30] In fact, two of the persons cited in Santorum's campaign ad actually gave contributions to him in 2006, and one died in 2004.[31] Santorum's campaign countered that those donations were not kept, and had been donated to educational institutions.[32] Santorum faced controversy for statements against "radical feminism", which he claimed had made it "socially affirming to work outside the home" at the expense of child care

Santorum shifted his campaign theme to the threat of radical Islam and Islamic terrorism in the United States. He gave a speech invoking British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, referring to multiple forces trying to undermine the U.S. in a "gathering storm" (the term Churchill used to describe the causes of World War II).[33] He pointed to the historical date of a Muslim siege in Europe, Sept. 11, 1683, as evidence that radical Islamists were waging a more than 300-year old crusade with the intent to restore Shia clerics to power in the Western world. [34] Casey told the press that Santorum's claims were outrageous, saying, "No one believes terrorists are going to be more likely to attack us, because I defeat Rick Santorum. Does even he believe that?" A heated debate between the candidates occurred on October 11, 2006.[35]
 

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More about this ass from the same Wiki:

Intelligent design
Main article: Santorum Amendment


In 2001, Santorum sought to amend the No Child Left Behind bill to include a provision affecting the teaching of evolution.[56][57] According to Santorum, his goal was that students studying evolution should hear "competing scientific interpretations of evidence," including "such alternative theories as intelligent design."[58] The provision came to be known as the "Santorum Amendment" and was written with the assistance of the Discovery Institute.[56][59] The Senate's approval of the amendment "was hailed by anti-evolution groups as a major victory and criticized by scientific organizations."[60][61][62][63]

The Santorum Amendment was not included in the final version of the Act made law, but similar language was included in the accompanying report of the conference committee.[60] The Discovery Institute and many intelligent design proponents, including two Ohio Congressmen, have repeatedly invoked this to suggest that intelligent design should be included in public school science standards as an alternative to evolution.[64][65] In a 2002 Washington Times op-ed article, Santorum wrote that intelligent design "is a legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in science classes."[66]

By 2005 Santorum had adopted the Discovery Institute's Teach the Controversy approach,[67] stating in an interview with National Public Radio, "I'm not comfortable with intelligent design being taught in the science classroom. What we should be teaching are the problems and holes, and I think there are legitimate problems and holes in the theory of evolution,"[68] a statement that mirrors the Teach the Controversy strategy, the most recent iteration of the intelligent design movement.[69] Santorum resigned from the advisory board of the Thomas More Law Center because he disagreed with the Center's role in the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District case, where the Center represented a school board that had gone beyond "teach the controversy" and had required the teaching of intelligent design.[70] Santorum wrote the foreword for the 2006 book Darwin's Nemesis: Phillip Johnson And the Intelligent Design Movement a collection of essays largely by Discovery Institute fellows honoring the "father" of the intelligent design movement, Phillip E. Johnson. When asked, Santorum stated that he believes in evolution within "a micro sense".[71]

2003 interview and Google bomb
Main articles: Santorum controversy regarding homosexuality and Campaign for "santorum" neologism


An interview Santorum gave to the Associated Press erupted in controversy when it outlined his views on homosexuality. The interview, dated April 20, 2003, had asked him his views on the sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests. Santorum said the priests were engaged in "a basic homosexual relationship", and said, "I have a problem with homosexual acts". He argued that the extended right to privacy ruled in Griswold v. Connecticut did not exist in the United States Constitution and that laws should exist against polygamy, adultery, sodomy, and other actions "antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family". Santorum said those actions were harmful to society, saying, "Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman.... In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing. And when you destroy that you have a dramatic impact on the quality".[72] Santorum later said that he did not intend to equate homosexuality with incest and pedophilia, but rather as a critique of the specific legal position that the right to privacy prevents the government from regulating consensual acts among adults (such as bigamy, incest, etc.).

In protest of the remarks, Dan Savage launched a contest among his readers in May 2003 to coin a new word "santorum" with an unflattering sexual definition, and followed this with a Google bombing campaign to spread the new term. Since 2004, Savage's Google bomb has regularly been the top search result for Santorum's surname, leading to what commentators have dubbed "Santorum's Google problem".[73][74] Santorum has characterized the campaign as a "type of vulgarity" common on the Internet.[74] In September 2011, Santorum unsuccessfully requested that Google remove the definition from its search engine index.[75]

Controversy regarding Catholic sex abuse

In 2005, a controversy developed over an article Santorum wrote in 2002 to a Catholic publication. In it, he said that liberalism and moral relativism in American society, particularly within seminaries, contributed to the Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal. He wrote, "...it is no surprise that Boston, a seat of academic, political and cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm."[76] The comments were widely publicized in June 2005 by the Philadelphia Daily News by columnist John Baer. He told readers, "I'd remind you this is the same Senate leader who recently likened Democrats fighting to save the filibuster to Nazis."[77] In Massachusetts, Santorum's remarks were heavily criticized, and on July 12, 2005, The Boston Globe called on Santorum to explain his statement. The newspaper reported that Robert Traynham, Santorum's spokesman, told him, "It's an open secret that you have Harvard University and MIT that tend to tilt to the left in terms of academic biases. I think that's what the senator was speaking to." A spokesman for Mitt Romney then Governor of Massachusetts, also rebuked the comments. Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) delivered a personal rebuke to Santorum on the Senate floor, saying "The people of Boston are to blame for the clergy sexual abuse? That is an irresponsible, insensitive and inexcusable thing to say."[78]

Santorum has stood by his 2002 article and to date, has not apologized. During the controversy, he said the statement about Boston was taken out of context and that the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee had targeted his article, written three years earlier, to coordinate with Kennedy's speech against him. Santorum continued to agree with the broader theme of a cultural connection, saying that it is "no surprise that the culture affects people's behavior. [...] the liberal culture—the idea that [...] sexual inhibitions should be put aside and people should be able to do whatever they want to do, has an impact on people and how they behave." He again agreed with the premise that it was "no surprise that the center of the Catholic Church abuse took place in very liberal, or perhaps the nation's most liberal area, Boston." He recalled mentioning Boston because in July 2002, he said, the outrage of American Catholics, as well as his own, was focused on the Archdiocese of Boston.[79]

Privacy

Santorum has frequently stated that he does not believe a "right to privacy" exists under the Constitution, even within marriage; he has been especially critical of the Supreme Court decision in Griswold v. Connecticut (1965), which held that the Constitution guaranteed the aforementioned right, and on that basis, overturned a law prohibiting the sale and use of contraceptives.[80] He has described contraception as "a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be."[81]


NWS and ethics
Main article: National Weather Service Duties Act of 2005


Santorum introduced the National Weather Service Duties Act of 2005 to "clarify the duties and responsibilities of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration[3] and the National Weather Service (NWS), and for other purposes".[84] This legislation, if enacted, would prohibit the NWS from publishing weather data to the public when private-sector entities, perform the same function commercially. At the same time, Santorum said that the National Weather Service needed to be a robust organization capable of predicting serious weather conditions.[85] The Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association was galvanizing support to lobby against this bill,[86] but it never passed committee. Opponents of the bill suggested it was corporate welfare, where the private weather service companies, which often receive data from the National Weather Service, would be enabled to charge government and military agencies for that information.[86] The motivations surrounding this bill were controversial, as AccuWeather, a commercial weather company based in Santorum's home state, stood to profit from this legislation, and Accuweather employees had contributed at least $5500 to him since 1999. The liberal advocacy group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, subsequently listed Rick Santorum as one of its "most corrupt politicians", citing the bill as one of several reasons.[87] In September 2005, Santorum criticized the National Weather Service for its evacuation warnings given for Hurricane Katrina, saying they were "insufficient" and said the public suffered "serious consequences" when they fall short of "getting it right."[88] He also suggested that people who ignored warnings and rode out the storms should have been penalized for not following government warnings.[89] After criticism,[90] he backtracked from his remarks and said that people who couldn't have evacuated on their own would not be penalized.[90]

Santorum added a synthetic-fuel tax-credit amendment to a larger bill introduced in the Senate by Chuck Grassley, the Iowa Republican who headed the Senate Finance Committee. Time Magazine called this tax-credit scheme "a multibillion-dollar scam."[91] The amendment was inserted in the Tax Relief Act of 2006, which provides aid for Hurricane Katrina victims and sets new policies for tax-exempt groups.

ACLU suit

In 2005, four young women were ejected from a bookstore in Wilmington, Delaware, where Santorum was scheduled for a book signing, after they were overheard expressing opinions critical of the senator. The American Civil Liberties Union filed suit, which was settled in 2007. As a result of the settlement, the Delaware State Police were required to pay legal fees for the plaintiffs and provide training to officers on free-speech rights. The Santorum staff members who requested the ejection were required to apologize and to relinquish their salaries for the event — $2,500.00 — to the plaintiffs in damages. A police official stated that while they had not violated the women's First Amendment rights, they "decided to settle the matter to avoid the cost of prolonged litigation."[92]
 

Rainsford

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Santorum's primary appeal always seemed to be his socially conservative views. I can't see that being as big a factor in the 2012 election as it may have been in the past given the overall concern on both sides of the aisle about the economy. Even national security issues seem to have largely taken a backseat to the economy (which for once probably HURTS the Democrats).
 

Lemon law

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I just look at Santorum as the next unexamined GOP fresh face of the week.

Its been a dominant GOP pattern all 2012 POTUS season. As the right wingers cry anyone but Romney or Paul.

First everyone went GA GA over Backmann, until they had a good look at her, next up was Rick Perry, until they had a good look at him, then Herman Cain became the next great GOP hope, then the next in line was Gingrich who enjoyed a surge until the GOP discovered he was a Turd, and now lucky Rick Santorium, became the the new GOP hope, at just the right time. In a few more weeks the GOP will discover Santorum is as unelectable as Ossama Bin Laden after they look at his record, anyone unexamined has to look better than Romney or Paul.

But cheer up folks, the GOP has not scraped the bottom of the Barrel yet. There is still Gary Johnson, Buddy Roeher, and dare we hope John Huntsman. Who have yet to face that mirror mirror on the wall, who is the most beautiful man in the nation test. Ignore that poison apple he is carrying in his hand, its his gift to you if you care to eat it,
 

Paratus

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Well sure he is a fundy fanatic but he really is coming hard from behind. He may just slip slide into first. He sure seemed happy being number 2 in Iowa!
 

Jaskalas

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An infamous religious Neocon in the spitting image of GWB. Excuse me while I jump for joy. :'(
 

Capt Caveman

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Since Rick needs to be vetted, he should have his own thread.
My first question, is it true Santorum's brought home their dead baby, that died two hours after birth, that they brought the dead baby home to introduce it to their other children (surviving children, that is)? And they actually played with the dead child while it was at home?
No one else feel this is totally insane? Not to mention the trauma their living children must have suffered during this.
And THIS is the guy many republicans want as the leader of the free world?
To lead moral leadership concerning women’s rights? Civil rights. Gay rights?
And I thought Michele Bachmann was a crack pot...

Ps. ops... SB "vetted", not vented. :D

After playing with their dead child at home, they supposedly took the child back to the hospital where him and his wife then slept on a bed with the dead child between them.
 

shurato

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I am very worried that children will decide to google "Santorum"

lol.... you got me on that one. Gross!

Can't believe the musical chair of all the wack jobs the right has to offer. Is this really the best they can field for 2012? I'm depressed at the state of our country with the candidates we have on the right and the one choice on the left.
 

nageov3t

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Santorum is vile and evil, but I think it's pretty loathsome to criticize how two parents grieve for the loss of a child; I can't even begin to place myself in that situation.
 

janas19

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Am I the only one who finds watching videos of Rick Santorum trying to be affectionate to his disabled child awkward and uncomfortable?
 

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Santorum is vile and evil, but I think it's pretty loathsome to criticize how two parents grieve for the loss of a child; I can't even begin to place myself in that situation.

I wouldn't describe him as evil. I actually appreciate him more than most Republicans since he is the opposite of the self-righteous libertarian.

He does say stupid things though, and generally gets caught up tangents and for that reason wouldn't be the best president.
 

Craig234

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I wouldn't describe him as evil. I actually appreciate him more than most Republicans since he is the opposite of the self-righteous libertarian.

He does say stupid things though, and generally gets caught up tangents and for that reason wouldn't be the best president.

That's like saying Charles Manson has poor table manners. Santorum is one of the most vile national figures IMO.
 

monovillage

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Nothing new, the same religious bigots complaining that someone else is a religious bigot.
 

sportage

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Santorum is vile and evil, but I think it's pretty loathsome to criticize how two parents grieve for the loss of a child; I can't even begin to place myself in that situation.

This doesn’t fit the bill for grieving. It's just perverse.

My much loved grandmother died very young @ 56 back in 1965, and on Valentine’s day.
She was in the hospital recovering from a bad fall down the stairs.
She was supposed to be release that morning. Instead, she suddenly died of a blood clot.
If my parents would have brought granny home, propped her in the corner to celebrate valentine’s day with the family, I'd have been out of there in a wink.
And surely would have called someone... The police, or in Santorum's case, the DHS for child safety.
No respect for his living children, not to mention no respect for the dead.

They can try, but they can never explain this away as anything close to grieving or normal behavior.
Knowing Santorum, he probably believed himself the hand of God, and panned to raise the child up from the dead.
This guy must be vetted. I am shocked and ashamed of iOwa voters.
Who in the hell are these .... "people" anyway?
 

sportage

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Got distracted with the idea of the dead baby thing associated to grieving.

What I wanted to add, is Santorum has also stated “if” he is elected, on day one he would invalidate all same sex marriages nationwide. As if any president has that power.
Where Santorum got that idea from, or more so “directive”, was from his iOwa friend Bob Vander Platts.

Vander Platts, a three time failed candidate for governor of iOwa, had stated in his last attempt for governor that he would invalidate and cease SS marriage in iOwa, on his first day if elected.
Ignoring iOwa law and separation of the branches of state government.

Vander Platts simply intended to do his will concerning state law, if elected, bypassing the states Supreme Court previous unanimous ruling on SS marriage.
Now, Vander Platts pulls the strings of the current republican governor Terry Branstad, even though he lost to Branstad. iOwa republicans are terrified of the power Vander Platts has with the tea baggers and religious fundies in iOwa.
 

stargazr

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Yeah that grieving thing really creeped me out too.


Privacy

"Santorum has frequently stated that he does not believe a "right to privacy" exists under the Constitution, even within marriage; he has been especially critical of the Supreme Court decision in Griswold v. Connecticut (1965), which held that the Constitution guaranteed the aforementioned right, and on that basis, overturned a law prohibiting the sale and use of contraceptives.[80] He has described contraception as "a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be."



Controversy regarding Catholic sex abuse

"In 2005, a controversy developed over an article Santorum wrote in 2002 to a Catholic publication. In it, he said that liberalism and moral relativism in American society, particularly within seminaries, contributed to the Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal. He wrote, "...it is no surprise that Boston, a seat of academic, political and cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm."



ACLU suit

"In 2005, four young women were ejected from a bookstore in Wilmington, Delaware, where Santorum was scheduled for a book signing, after they were overheard expressing opinions critical of the senator. The American Civil Liberties Union filed suit, which was settled in 2007."



School district conflict

"Santorum was mired in controversy over his residence in Virginia, where he and his family stay while the Senate was in session. He admitted that he spent only "maybe a month a year, something like that" at his Pennsylvania residence,[27] which critics argued was hypocritical because Santorum himself had denounced, and defeated, Rep. Doug Walgren-PA for living away from his House district.[28] Santorum faced damaging stories that he enrolled five of his children in an online "cyber school" in Pennsylvania, for which the Penn Hills school district was billed $73,000, despite the fact that all the children lived in Virginia"
 

Doppel

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I wouldn't describe him as evil. I actually appreciate him more than most Republicans since he is the opposite of the self-righteous libertarian.

He does say stupid things though, and generally gets caught up tangents and for that reason wouldn't be the best president.
I thought OP was almost making it up, but apparently not. I thought that because it is FVCKED UP in the extreme.

Hey kids here's your new baby brother or sister! Oh yeah, he's fvcking DEAD.
 

Ausm

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I really,really,really,really,really,really,really want to see this hypocritical Religious nutjob go up against President Obama. :D
 

ichy

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His support for intelligent design is the most loathsome thing about him. I hate the stupidity of creationists with a burning passion.