The rich get richer

RightIsWrong

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I know the answer but I am still baffled by the logic. Why do oil companies claim to have to raise prices on consumers to offset increased production costs and still make record profits? Shouldn't their profits be inline with previous years if they aren't raking us over the coals purely for profit and truly to offset those increased costs?

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RVING, Texas (AP) -- Exxon Mobil Corp. had a quarter for the record books. The world's largest publicly traded oil company said Thursday high oil and natural-gas prices helped its third-quarter profit surge almost 75 percent to $9.92 billion, the largest quarterly profit for a U.S. company ever, and it was the first to ring up more than $100 billion in quarterly sales.

Net income ballooned to $9.92 billion, or $1.58 per share, from $5.68 billion, or 88 cents per share, a year ago.

Excluding certain items, earnings were $8.3 billion, or $1.32 per share, versus $6.23 billion, or 96 cents per share, in the 2004 quarter.

Analysts polled by Thomson Financial, on average, predicted earnings excluding items of $1.38 per share.

Revenue grew to $100.72 billion from $76.38 billion in the prior-year period.

Howard Silverblatt, equity analyst at Standard & Poor's, said both the net income and sales figures are all-time records for publicly traded U.S. companies.

The hurricanes slashed Exxon Mobil's U.S. production volumes by 50,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day, down nearly 5 percent year-over-year, costing the company $45 million before taxes. The company said total daily production slipped to 2.45 million barrels of oil equivalent from 2.51 million barrels.

"Following the hurricanes, Exxon Mobil maximized gasoline production from all of our refineries which were operating in the U.S., and increased imports from overseas affiliates to meet U.S. demand," said Chairman Lee R. Raymond.

Earnings from U.S. upstream operations increased by $498 million to $1.67 billion, while U.S. downstream earnings jumped $548 million to $1.11 billion. In the U.S. and abroad, income from the company's chemicals segment declined by $537 million to $472 million, as raw materials costs squeezed margins.

The company cautioned that reduced volumes and higher costs will also hurt the fourth quarter.

Shares of Irving-based Exxon Mobil rose 56 cents, or 1 percent, to $56.76 in early trading on the New York Stock Exchange. The stock has traded in a 52-week range between $48.25 and $65.96.
 

dullard

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Exxon drills and sells oil. Oil prices are at record highs, thus revenues are high. Exxon's costs didn't significantly change. So, please tell me why wouldn't Exxon's profits be at a record? Exxon doesn't set the oil price. They just sit back and reap the rewards.
 

Gigantopithecus

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Maybe because consumers are still more than happy to shell out $3/gallon to fill their gas guzzlers?

Start driving a high mpg vehicle, start carpooling, start riding your bike, buy some stock in oil companies.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: dullard
Exxon drills and sells oil. Oil prices are at record highs, thus revenues are high. Exxon's costs didn't significantly change. So, please tell me why wouldn't Exxon's profits be at a record? Exxon doesn't set the oil price. They just sit back and reap the rewards.



I think the truth will come out in the future that Collusion and Price Gouging are what took place in the Energy Markets...

Why did Cheney have a SECRET ENERGY TASK FORCE who held meetings with the execs from these companies..
 

EagleKeeper

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You tin-foils are giving Cheney much more credit than he deserves.

You think he has influence over the world markets.

The traders are the ones that bid up the price for oil.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. profit == bad? :confused:

No, it's crap that was peddled through things like the Energy Bill that helped a company that posted a nearly $10 billion profit for a single quarter that is bad.

Oil is fine, but they sure don't need any help.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
You tin-foils are giving Cheney much more credit than he deserves.

You think he has influence over the world markets.

The traders are the ones that bid up the price for oil.
I agree with you here EagleKeeper. There is probably enough evidence of collusion with electricity markets, but the price of oil is not that easilly manipulated. Oil is freely traded, and like the internet stocks of the 90s, people just jumped on the bandwagon to make profits.

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. profit == bad? :confused:
no, but oil is essential, so price gouging = bad.

If I dont get oil do I die?

Oil is a commodity, as such the market value plays a role in what the costs are at both the well and at the pump.

If people stopped driving tomorrow for 2 weeks you would see a large increase in oil supplies which wouold drive the cost of the product down.

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: dullard
Exxon drills and sells oil. Oil prices are at record highs, thus revenues are high. Exxon's costs didn't significantly change. So, please tell me why wouldn't Exxon's profits be at a record? Exxon doesn't set the oil price. They just sit back and reap the rewards.



I think the truth will come out in the future that Collusion and Price Gouging are what took place in the Energy Markets...

Why did Cheney have a SECRET ENERGY TASK FORCE who held meetings with the execs from these companies..

I must have missed the over 60 dollars a barrel we are paying for oil now?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. profit == bad? :confused:
no, but oil is essential, so price gouging = bad.

If I dont get oil do I die?

If you live in certain parts of the country during the winter......ABSOLUTELY! There are stories almost every winter of some elderly person freezing to death. Without oil to heat there home, that likelyhood increases.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. profit == bad? :confused:
no, but oil is essential, so price gouging = bad.

If I dont get oil do I die?

Oil is a commodity, as such the market value plays a role in what the costs are at both the well and at the pump.

If people stopped driving tomorrow for 2 weeks you would see a large increase in oil supplies which wouold drive the cost of the product down.
oil is essential for living, yes. we could possibly go without it for awhile.

let's put it this way, if ALL oil was cut off, would your life be jeopardized at all?


 

Genx87

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If you live in certain parts of the country during the winter......ABSOLUTELY! There are stories almost every winter of some elderly person freezing to death. Without oil to heat there home, that likelyhood increases.

Chop some wood then.

lmao
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Genx87
If you live in certain parts of the country during the winter......ABSOLUTELY! There are stories almost every winter of some elderly person freezing to death. Without oil to heat there home, that likelyhood increases.

Chop some wood then.

lmao
be reasonable :confused:

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. profit == bad? :confused:
no, but oil is essential, so price gouging = bad.

If I dont get oil do I die?

Oil is a commodity, as such the market value plays a role in what the costs are at both the well and at the pump.

If people stopped driving tomorrow for 2 weeks you would see a large increase in oil supplies which wouold drive the cost of the product down.
oil is essential for living, yes. we could possibly go without it for awhile.

let's put it this way, if ALL oil was cut off, would your life be jeopardized at all?


I guess we wonder why the addiction continues in this country.

I consider things like water, food, shelter to be essential to living.
Now we have people lumping in oil as essential lmao.

Put the oil crack down for a second and think about what is really essential for survival.
 

borosp1

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well retail prices of gas are set by the oil companies and not the market as some may think. A study" by University of Wisconsin economist Don Nicholsto showed that at $3 a gallon gas should in turn result in a barrel of oil at $95+ on the open market.

"Historically, Nichols said, the markup between the price of a gallon of crude and a gallon of gasoline is about 85 to 90 cents a gallon, including refining, distribution and taxes. At $50 for a 44-gallon barrel of crude, he said, the pump price should be about $2 a gallon, a little more or less in some states depending on taxes. At $65 a barrel -- nearly identical to the price in Tuesday afternoon trading -- a gallon should be about $2.30. ... For gasoline to be $3 a gallon, he said, crude should be selling for about $95 a barrel."

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5128
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. profit == bad? :confused:
no, but oil is essential, so price gouging = bad.

If I dont get oil do I die?

Oil is a commodity, as such the market value plays a role in what the costs are at both the well and at the pump.

If people stopped driving tomorrow for 2 weeks you would see a large increase in oil supplies which wouold drive the cost of the product down.
oil is essential for living, yes. we could possibly go without it for awhile.

let's put it this way, if ALL oil was cut off, would your life be jeopardized at all?


I guess we wonder why the addiction continues in this country.

I consider things like water, food, shelter to be essential to living.
Now we have people lumping in oil as essential lmao.

Put the oil crack down for a second and think about what is really essential for survival.
how about answering my question :confused:

 

Corn

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Exxon's revenue for the period is $100 billion. Thier profit was $9.9 billion.

This represents a profit margin of less than 10%. This is hardly greed or gouging. Apple realizes nearly 50% on their ipod.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Corn
Exxon's revenue for the period is $100 billion. Thier profit was $9.9 billion.

This represents a profit margin of less than 10%. This is hardly greed or gouging. Apple realizes nearly 50% on their ipod.
how can you compare oil to iPods?

 

Corn

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Corn
Exxon's revenue for the period is $100 billion. Thier profit was $9.9 billion.

This represents a profit margin of less than 10%. This is hardly greed or gouging. Apple realizes nearly 50% on their ipod.
how can you compare oil to iPods?

I'm not comparing oil to ipods, I'm comparing profit margins. Are you telling me that a 10% profit margin is excessive?
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Corn
Exxon's revenue for the period is $100 billion. Thier profit was $9.9 billion.

This represents a profit margin of less than 10%. This is hardly greed or gouging. Apple realizes nearly 50% on their ipod.
how can you compare oil to iPods?

I'm not comparing oil to ipods, I'm comparing profit margins. Are you telling me that a 10% profit margin is excessive?
you were comparing the two.

and yes oil companies profits are in question. so someone else must be feeling there is excess there at our expense.