The Republican Party - The party of Hypocrisy, Lies, Excuses, and Scapegoating?

Phokus

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Ron Paul is about the only republican i admire right now (because he's the only person with principle in the Republican party):

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2003/tst120103.htm

GOP Abandons Conservatives

GOP Abandons Conservatives

The Medicare prescription drug bill passed by Congress last week may prove to be a watershed event for political conservatives in America. This latest expansion of the federal government, potentially the largest in our nation?s history, is firmly in keeping with the failed New Deal and Great Society programs of the utopian left. This leaves true conservatives, who believe strongly in limited government and identify with the Goldwater- era Republican party, wondering whether they still have a political home in the modern GOP. In the eyes of many conservatives, today?s GOP simply has abandoned its limited-government heritage to buy votes and gain political power in Washington.

The unfortunate truth is that the Bush administration, aided by a Republican congress, has increased spending more in three years than the previous administration did in eight. Federal spending has grown by more than 25% since President Bush took office. The federal government now spends roughly $21,000 per household every year, up from $16,000 just 4 years ago. Columnist Cal Thomas, in a recent article entitled ?The Embarrassing GOP,? raises an excellent question: ?How much of that $21,000 could you spend that would produce better results for yourself and your family??

Consider that Mr. Bush has not vetoed a single bill, nor does he even bother to employ conservative rhetoric. Chris Edwards of the CATO Institute says this about the President: ?I?ve never seen him give a speech in which he says government is too big and we need to cut costs.? Furthermore, the outlook for spending restraint during a second Bush term is nil: ?When you have a president who has a bunch of his own spending initiatives like education and the Medicare drug bill, it makes it difficult for him to go out and say that Congress is being wasteful,? Mr. Edwards states.

Columnists have coined the phrase ?Big-Government Republicans? to describe the current crop of free spenders now controlling the White House, Senate, and House of Representatives. Many of the president?s closest advisors are Big-Government Republicans, former leftists who have no qualms about spending huge amounts of money both at home and abroad to achieve supposedly conservative ends.

The irony is that conservatives suffered through decades of Democratic control of Congress, always believing that liberals were to blame for the relentless growth of the federal government. When Republicans finally took control of Congress in 1994, many saw an opportunity for a real conservative revolution. But first, conservatives were told, the Democratic administration had to be removed. In the meantime, spending continued unabated throughout the 1990s. When Republicans won the White House in 2000, another opportunity seemed at hand. The Senate, however, was still in Democratic hands-- the last possible GOP scapegoat. Finally, in 2002 the GOP took control of the Senate and increased its majority in the U.S. House. Surely this was the moment conservatives had been waiting for! Yet the past year has seen more spending than ever, including the disastrous Medicare bill that will cost trillions over coming decades. The latest line is that the GOP needs a filibuster-proof Senate of 60 Republicans, and then, finally, the party can begin to implement a conservative agenda.

At what point will conservatives stop accepting these excuses? When does the conservative base of the GOP, a base that remains firmly committed to the principle of limited government, finally demand new leadership and a return to conservative values? Will conservatives abandon the party when they realize the GOP, at least under its current leadership, is simply not interested in reducing the size and scope of the federal government? With Republicans controlling the administration and the legislature, and nominally controlling the Supreme Court, the party has run out of other people to blame. One thing is certain: Republicans who support bigger entitlement programs and bigger federal budgets have lost all credibility as advocates for limited government.
 

Ferocious

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Yeah Ron Paul is pretty cool.

He is part of the true Republican party and not the modern Republican party I often refer to.

 

EagleKeeper

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In Nevada, the governor has been called a RINO.

Republican In Name Only.


Regretfully Bush is acting the same way. :disgust:
 

Corn

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What's the difference between the two parties? On the surface they appear to be awfully similar these days.

The political word of the day is "moderate".

Of course it's code for "I'll support whatever it takes to get me re-elected".


The joke is, of course, the implied pretense that because the "modern Republican party" is too liberal, therefore I should vote......how? For whom? (the obvious answer from the liberals is; vote for someone more liberal........:roll;)

No thanks, I'll continue as I've done. Attempt change within my party by voicing my dissatisfaction to my elected representatives and/or voting for those that are more aligned with my way of thinking.

Neither the Libertarian nor the Democratic party are aligned with my moderately "conservative" views, so sorry Phokus.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Corn
What's the difference between the two parties? On the surface they appear to be awfully similar these days.

The political word of the day is "moderate".

Of course it's code for "I'll support whatever it takes to get me re-elected".


The joke is, of course, the implied pretense that because the "modern Republican party" is too liberal, therefore I should vote......how? For whom? (the obvious answer from the liberals is; vote for someone more liberal........:roll;)

No thanks, I'll continue as I've done. Attempt change within my party by voicing my dissatisfaction to my elected representatives and/or voting for those that are more aligned with my way of thinking.

Neither the Libertarian nor the Democratic party are aligned with my moderately "conservative" views, so sorry Phokus.

Repbulicans got scared on how close they came to not getting the White House. Popular vote went against them and for the Dems.

Therefore, they must act more like the Dems to blurr the differences.

 

Czar

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Corn :)
will you vote for Bush in the coming election or skip voting or perhaps then put a blank vote in the box?
 

Corn

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Czar,

I will be voting for Bush. Just because he's not "conservative enough" doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for someone more liberal than him. I learned my lesson "voting my conscience" when I pulled the lever for Perot in '92. Today "voting my conscience" takes on a whole different meaning: Anyone but Kerry! LOL!!!
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: Czar
Corn :)
will you vote for Bush in the coming election or skip voting or perhaps then put a blank vote in the box?


Hehe, if it were me I wouldnt leave it blank, everyone knows that in the event of a recount blanks magiacally become votes for the democratic hopeful.
:)
 

Witling

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I wish the title "The party of Hypocrisy, Lies, Excuses, and Scapegoating?" had been presented with out attributing it to the Republicans. From just the quoted description, I couldn't have guessed which party we were talking about.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: Czar
Corn :)
will you vote for Bush in the coming election or skip voting or perhaps then put a blank vote in the box?


Hehe, if it were me I wouldnt leave it blank, everyone knows that in the event of a recount blanks magiacally become votes for the democratic hopeful.
:)

Buahahaha

CkG
 

SuperTool

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Spending in 1st 3 years of Bush grew more than in 8 years of Clinton. That's triangulation for you. You want to cut spending, you have to play republicans and democrats against each other, not have one party dominate.
 

Vic

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Ron Paul is awesome. If he were running for President, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
 

Bitek

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The joke is, of course, the implied pretense that because the "modern Republican party" is too liberal, therefore I should vote......how? For whom? (the obvious answer from the liberals is; vote for someone more liberal........:roll

This is half true, as the "modern" Repub party has also never seemed more aligned with far-right wing idealists as well ( specifically the far-right Christian groups and the chickenhawks.)

Its hard to believe they from the party of Teddy Roosevelt and Lincoln. IMO, they are an embarassment to the Repub party.
 

Corn

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This is half true, as the "modern" Repub party has also never seemed more aligned with far-right wing idealists as well ( specifically the far-right Christian groups and the chickenhawks.)

An administration /= the entirety of a political party. Alas, the same thing could be said about the Democrats being aligned with the far-left wing idealists. Every party has their dead weight. A real "partisan" doesn't blindly accept this, nor do they support their ideologically opposed candidates because the candidate of choice resembles the opposition to a certain extent.

Instead of using this ridiculous tactic of trying to divide conservatives ("I'm a conservative whose gonna vote for Kerry!" As if.....), why don't you liberals try something that might actually improve your chances like a real platform and candidate.
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
In Nevada, the governor has been called a RINO.

Republican In Name Only.


Regretfully Bush is acting the same way. :disgust:


i know. thats something i resent about the President. he needs to whip out the conservatism in his second term!


perverts.
 

Vadatajs

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Originally posted by: Corn
Czar,

I will be voting for Bush. Just because he's not "conservative enough" doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for someone more liberal than him. I learned my lesson "voting my conscience" when I pulled the lever for Perot in '92. Today "voting my conscience" takes on a whole different meaning: Anyone but Kerry! LOL!!!

I'm glad you stick to your principles, even if they include destroying my country.
 

Corn

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I'm glad you stick to your principles, even if they include destroying my country.

A tad over dramatic aren't we? Thus far Bush has "destroyed" nothing, except for the attitudes of a few drama queens.
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I know, I know, Kerry wouldn't destroy the country. After all, he didn't pen a portion of, nor vote for, the Patriot Act. Neither did he fall victim to "that retard's" lies and signed off on the war against Iraq. He also doesn't take money from special interests and evil greedy corporations. No, not him.........
 

sandorski

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Politics is like Economics, Competition is good and keeps everyone on their toes. If someone acheives a Monopoly, suddenly there is no incentive to do what's best for others, there is only themselves as an incentive.

The greatest fallacy is the one based on They=Bad We=Good and that the more We, the more Good there will be. No, the We is Good only because the They exist, They keep We on course.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: Corn
Czar,

I will be voting for Bush. Just because he's not "conservative enough" doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for someone more liberal than him. I learned my lesson "voting my conscience" when I pulled the lever for Perot in '92. Today "voting my conscience" takes on a whole different meaning: Anyone but Kerry! LOL!!!

I'm glad you stick to your principles, even if they include destroying my country.

You're so witty and insightful. Or not.
What's "destroying this country" is not Bush, and if Kerry wins, it won't be him, either. It'll be the incredibly short-sighted vision (or lack thereof) of an electorate which wants both low taxes, and generous benefits. You can't have both, people (at least over the long-term) - it's either/or. Of course I don't expect anyone will figure that out until we're reduced to a Third-World economy, a la Argentina. Sigh....
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Vic
Ron Paul is awesome. If he were running for President, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

As would I, and we'd be about the only ones, I bet. To steal a phrase from the late Paul Tsongas, the American people want "Pander bears", not anyone offering the hard truth.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Vic
Ron Paul is awesome. If he were running for President, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
As would I, and we'd be about the only ones, I bet. To steal a phrase from the late Paul Tsongas, the American people want "Pander bears", not anyone offering the hard truth.
Nah, I like the loose cannons. I voted for Perot for that reason, and as long as Paul wasn't running as a third party in a race against Bush, I'd vote for him too. We need people in D.C. who will upset the status quo, disrupt the good ole boys network, act as a gadfly to both parties (Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber) to expose and obstruct their sell-outs to special interests.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
Yeah Ron Paul is pretty cool.

He is part of the true Republican party and not the modern Republican party I often refer to.

Hes one step away from being a Libertarian. People inside the Libertarian Party are trying to get him to run for President. He also stumps at a lot of Libertarian events.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Yeah Ron Paul is pretty cool.

He is part of the true Republican party and not the modern Republican party I often refer to.

Hes one step away from being a Libertarian. People inside the Libertarian Party are trying to get him to run for President. He also stumps at a lot of Libertarian events.

Wish he would run, it's either Badnarik or Nolan now.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Yeah Ron Paul is pretty cool.

He is part of the true Republican party and not the modern Republican party I often refer to.

Hes one step away from being a Libertarian. People inside the Libertarian Party are trying to get him to run for President. He also stumps at a lot of Libertarian events.

Actually i consider Ron Paul 100% libertarian.