The rehabilitation of GWB

[Lemon law]

Do we, as a nation want GWB&co back? Well, the 2008 answer was hell no, as even the GOP pretended GWB was no longer fair game.

But now the thesis of the following NYT's Krugman editorial is that the GOP is making a concerted effort to rehabilitate GWB through the marvels of revisionist history.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/opinion/23krugman.html?src=me&ref=homepage

Do you miss all the charms of GWB, is that what is bugging you Boopsie?

For you GWB fan clubbers, rejoice, the GOP, for lack of any other intellectual underpinning to stand for, is trying for the nostalgia of GWB. Will it sell in 2010? And is Mitch McConnell crazy enough to think he can sell you 2010 model of GWB?

 

[jackace]

Well he does have one thing right. GWB's economic policies were exactly what the Republican party wanted and the results were terrible.

 

[khon]

And is Mitch McConnell crazy enough to think he can sell you 2010 model of GWB?

Clearly he is.

For anyone arguing otherwise I have a simple questions: What is the difference between current GOP policy and what they did under Bush ?

 

[Elias824]

Clearly he is.

For anyone arguing otherwise I have a simple questions: What is the difference between current GOP policy and what they did under Bush ?

They haven't invaded any new countries?

 

[jackace]

They haven't invaded any new countries?

They aren't in power yet, but once they are we could be in Iran or North Korea very easily.

 

[Phokus]

Look at what they did with reagan, even though he was a piece of shit that practically destroyed the middle class, gave weapons to terrorists to fund other terrorists, trained south american death squads that murdered civilians, etc. And now the GOP elevates him into a deity like status. In a couple decades, we'll be erecting statues of bush and the GOP will say how he's the greatest president of all time.

 

[hal2kilo]

Clearly he is.

For anyone arguing otherwise I have a simple questions: What is the difference between current GOP policy and what they did under Bush ?

A tavern jacket and 300 pounds? Oops that's the punchline of another joke.

 

[shortylickens]

I cant decide if I hate Bush more or Obama. And I really cant decide if I hate Old Republicans more, or New Republicans.

I take it back, I no longer want a Libertarian president. I want a Libertarian president AND a Libertarian congress.

 

[Harvey]

I like my old suggestion about how to rehabilitate Bush. Give him, Cheney and his entire adminstration enforced lifetime vacations at the beautiful downtown Guantanamo Hilton with free daily passes on the exciting waterboard ride. It's not torture. They said so, themselves, and we can believe them... right? :hmm:

And for the wingnut tards who will now accuse me of wanting to torture them, as much as they may deserve it, the above is sarcasm. I just want to see them tried for their crimes.

And for the wingnut tards who will play brain dead and try to deny they committed any crimes, yes, I am fully armed with at least one "macro" fully reformatted for vB to make the legal case against them for those crimes.

I cant decide if I hate Bush more or Obama.

Then, you haven't been paying attention.

And I really cant decide if I hate Old Republicans more, or New Republicans.

That's easy. Old Republicans = New Republicans. :thumbsdown:

They want to repeal everything that Obama and the Democratic Congress have accomplished, despite their constant filibusters, lies and other impedements, and re-enact all of the horrific lack of oversight and responsibility that gave us an illegal war in Iraq, the financial meltdown, the Massey Energy mine disasters and the BP oil disasters. Plural intended -- The Gulf oil spill wasn't their first.

I take it back, I no longer want a Libertarian president. I want a Libertarian president AND a Libertarian congress.

Then, you REALLY haven't been paying attention.

 

[waggy]

I agree harvey. good thing Obama is doing everything different eh?..hmm..so how s the closing of Guantanamo bay? pulling the troops back?


new boss the same as the old boss.

 

[theeedude]

Old boss = create mess.
New boss = not clean up the mess fast enough (for some)
New boss NOT the same as the old boss.

 

[Harvey]

I agree harvey. good thing Obama is doing everything different eh?..hmm..so how s the closing of Guantanamo bay?

You mean, how's he doing cleaning up that part of the Bushwhackos' mess? Not as good as I would have hoped. Knowing that we don't know what he knows, what makes you think you, or anyone else, could do better?

pulling the troops back?

You mean, how's he doing cleaning up that part of the Bushwhackos' mess? Not as good as I would have hoped. Knowing that we don't know what he knows, what makes you think you, or anyone else, could do better?

new boss the same as the old boss.

Didn't your mother ever warn you, if you didn't stop that, you'd go blind?

 

[Tab]

Look at what they did with reagan, even though he was a piece of shit that practically destroyed the middle class, gave weapons to terrorists to fund other terrorists, trained south american death squads that murdered civilians, etc. And now the GOP elevates him into a deity like status. In a couple decades, we'll be erecting statues of bush and the GOP will say how he's the greatest president of all time.

Heh. Yea, that'll be the day.

 

[cubby1223]

through the marvels of revisionist history.

I swear, you all must be living in your own separate reality. Let's look at Krugman's "evidence"

"including tax breaks for the rich and financial deregulation. They’ve even resurrected the plan to cut future Social Security benefits."

That should be corrected to "tax breaks for all". And financial regulation that works, not just what makes for keen political headlines (why did Obama as a Senator vote down legislation to look into what Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac were up to, and why are they left out of the new regulation bill?). And last but not least, Social Security must be cut, it is a simple matter of mathematics, there is not enough money coming in to cover what's going out.

That's your *amazing* case for your partisan thread?

 

[CallMeJoe]

Look at what they did with reagan, even though he was a piece of shit that practically destroyed the middle class, gave weapons to terrorists to fund other terrorists, trained south american death squads that murdered civilians, etc. And now the GOP elevates him into a deity like status. In a couple decades, we'll be erecting statues of bush and the GOP will say how he's the greatest president of all time.

Second greatest. The GWB shrine will be the anteroom to the Reagan Temple.

 

[SickBeast]

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was going to discuss GWB's drug and alcohol issues. Oh well.

 

[cubby1223]

I like my old suggestion about how to rehabilitate Bush. Give him, Cheney and his entire adminstration enforced lifetime vacations at the beautiful downtown Guantanamo Hilton with free daily passes on the exciting waterboard ride. It's not torture. They said so, themselves, and we can believe them... right? :hmm:

And for the wingnut tards who will now accuse me of wanting to torture them, as much as they may deserve it, the above is sarcasm. I just want to see them tried for their crimes.

And for the wingnut tards who will play brain dead and try to deny they committed any crimes, yes, I am fully armed with at least one "macro" fully reformatted for vB to make the legal case against them for those crimes.

Ah, good to see your hate-filled heart back on the forum! You do need to find some way to relax in a more constructive manor.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Ah, good to see your hate-filled heart back on the forum! You do need to find some way to relax in a more constructive manor.

Shouldn't he wait 'til after the Manor is constructed?

 

[Anarchist420]

I cant decide if I hate Bush more or Obama. And I really cant decide if I hate Old Republicans more, or New Republicans.

I take it back, I no longer want a Libertarian president. I want a Libertarian president AND a Libertarian congress.

Old Republicans were the Jeffersonians. So why do you hate Old Republicans if you want a Libertarian president and Libertarian congress?

All Republicans starting with Lincoln are Neo (i.e., New) Republicans, with the possible exceptions of James A Garfield, Calvin Coolidge, and Warren G Harding, although the latter two were a protectionist so they're difficult to classify.

Anything that's Neo sucks ass.

 

[cubby1223]

Seriously, how do you quantify "tax breaks for the rich"???

Unless they are taxed at 100%, there is *always* room for someone to say the government could be taxing them more.

So when the Bush Tax Cuts expire, "the rich" will be taxed at 36% instead of 35%, and that will make the world a perfect place? Well aren't the rich getting a tax break at 36% instead of 37%? Well then they are still getting a tax break because they're not at 38%. Or wait, 39%!

The term "tax break" as it is used by Krugman & most of "the left" is just hyper partisan spin. Just say you want "the rich" taxed more than they currently are. It's not a "break" because for it to be considered a "break" it specifically implies that they are not paying their fair share, which is an opinion and only an opinion. Not a fact.

 

[cubby1223]

Shouldn't he wait 'til after the Manor is constructed?

damn spell-check didn't let me say "mannor" and I went with the wrong correction

 

[jackschmittusa]

The turd polishing done to deify Reagan is still completely transparent to many of us who were adults when he was President.

I feel the same will apply to redoing the Bush legacy.

 

[Lemon law]

I swear, you all must be living in your own separate reality. Let's look at Krugman's "evidence"

"including tax breaks for the rich and financial deregulation. They’ve even resurrected the plan to cut future Social Security benefits."

That should be corrected to "tax breaks for all". And financial regulation that works, not just what makes for keen political headlines (why did Obama as a Senator vote down legislation to look into what Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac were up to, and why are they left out of the new regulation bill?). And last but not least, Social Security must be cut, it is a simple matter of mathematics, there is not enough money coming in to cover what's going out.

That's your *amazing* case for your partisan thread?

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As a matter of fact no, cubby1223, our reading challenged co-GOP revisionist historian.

I was referring to the part of the Krugman link that said....................................

"On the deficit: Republicans are now claiming that the Bush administration was actually a paragon of fiscal responsibility, and that the deficit is Mr. Obama’s fault. “The last year of the Bush administration,” said Mr. McConnell recently, “the deficit as a percentage of gross domestic product was 3.2 percent, well within the range of what most economists think is manageable. A year and a half later, it’s almost 10 percent.”

But that 3.2 percent figure, it turns out, is for fiscal 2008 — which wasn’t the last year of the Bush administration, because it ended in September of 2008. In other words, it ended just as the failure of Lehman Brothers — on Mr. Bush’s watch — was triggering a broad financial and economic collapse. This collapse caused the deficit to soar: By the first quarter of 2009 — with only a trickle of stimulus funds flowing — federal borrowing had already reached almost 9 percent of G.D.P. To some of us, this says that the economic crisis that began under Mr. Bush is responsible for the great bulk of our current deficit. But the Republican Party is having none of it."

Earth to cubby, there is a wee mite of difference between a McConnell claimed revisionist history GWB deficit of 3.2% and the actual 9% of reality.

And if there is any fight left in you, you can read the next Krugman paragraph about GWB lies regarding the Iraq war.

Didn't read that part of the link did you cubby? Did you really think everyone else did not read it? Well cubby, thanks for playing you bet your credibility, but all you won is first place in a gullibility contest. You don't remember Hank the Crank Paulson who gave away the store even before Obama was elected?

 

[shortylickens]

The turd polishing done to deify Reagan is still completely transparent to many of us who were adults when he was President.

I feel the same will apply to redoing the Bush legacy.

Much like Nixon, Reagan actually did a lot of good things, even though he looked like an asshole.

 

[alphatarget1]

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was going to discuss GWB's drug and alcohol issues. Oh well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTPRJqt2z4