THe REAL STORY BEHIND THE SHOOTING OF AN INJURED INSURGENT

DainBrammage

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I am a former Marine and have many friends still on active duty and many more that are retired or that have choosen to do other things now. from time to time I get email from these people I wanted to shed some much needed light on the recent shooting in Iraq involving a young Leatherneck.

Subject: First-hand report re: Marine under investigation Full Story

This is from a mother in the TN Marine Family support group that I belong to. The email is from her son currently in Iraq. Please pass this on so that America has the opportunity to see both sides of the story, not just the side the evening news chooses to show.


Good Morning Everybody.

The following is an email from my son regarding the NBC report (with embedded reporter Kevin Sites), concerning the Marine who is being investigated for "murdering" the insurgent in Fallaja. I will be sending his mail to every news program's email I can find. I find it sickening that this Kevin Sites is even allowed to be embedded with our Marines, as this isn't the first report I've heard from him that took on a decidely unfriendly tone. My son also gave me permission to release it to anyone that wants to pass it on, as long as it remains unedited.

-- Darlene
PMM LCPL Gus
TS DET

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:27:55 -0800 (PST)
From: old tymer <email address edited
Subject: The stories you don't hear...
To:


This is one story of many that people normally don't hear, and one that everyone does.
This is just one most don't hear:

A young Marine and his cover man cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with Ak-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor(doctor)!" He is badly wounded, lying in a pool of his own blood. The Marine and his cover man slowly walk toward the injured man, scanning to make sure no enemies come from behind. In a split second, the pressure in the room greatly exceeds that of the outside, and the concussion seems to be felt before the blast is heard. Marines outside rush to the room, and look in horror as the dust gradually settles. The result is a room filled with the barely recognizable remains of the deceased, caused by an insurgent setting off several pounds of explosives. The Marines' remains are gathered by teary eyed comrades, brothers in arms, and shipped home in a box. The families can only mourn over a casket and a picture of their loved one, a life cut short by someone who hid behind a white flag. But no one hears these stories, except those who have lived to carry remains of a friend, and the families who loved the dead. No one hears this, so no one cares.

This is the story everyone hears:

A young Marine and his fire team cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insugent can be heard saying, "Mister,mister! Diktoor, diktoor(doctor)!" He is badly wounded.Suddenly, he pulls from under his bloody clothes a grenade, without the pin. The explosion rocks the room, killing one Marine, wounding the others. The young Marine catches shrapnel in the face.

The next day, same Marine, same type of situation, a different story. The young Marine and his cover man enter a room with two wounded insurgents. One lies on the floor in puddle of blood, another against the wall. A reporter and his camera survey the wreckage inside, and in the background can be heard the voice of a Marine, "He's moving, he's moving!" The pop of a rifle is heard, and the insurgent against the wall is now dead.

Minutes, hours later, the scene is aired on national television, and the Marine is being held for commiting a war crime. Unlawful killing.

And now, another Marine has the possibility of being burned at the stake for protecting the life of his brethren. His family now wrings their hands in grief, tears streaming down their face. Brother, should I have been in your boots, i too would have done the same. For those of you who don't know, we Marines, Band of Brothers, Jarheads, Leathernecks, etc., do not fight because we think it is right, or think it is wrong. We are here for the man to our left, and the man to our right. We choose to give our lives so that the man or woman next to us can go home and see their husbands, wives, children, friends and families.

For those of you who sit on your couches in front of your television, and choose to condemn this man's actions, I have but one thing to say to you. Get out of you recliner, lace up your boots, pick up a rifle, leave your family behind and join me. See what I've seen, walk where I have walked. To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive.

I am a Marine currently doing his second tour in Iraq. These are my
opinions and mine alone. They do not represent those of the Marine Corps or of the US military, or any other.

Sincerely,

LCPL Schmidt
USMC
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POint taken suck it removed
 

Red Dawn

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Hey they are trained to kill bad guys and kill they did. I don't have a problem with that.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: DainBrammage
Cunjur, BarneyFIfe and all of you other bleeding heart, hangers on stick this in you pipe and smoke it or suck it orwhatever your preference might be.

Caps, an inflammatory call-out in the OP, and spam. Here you go: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie:
 

conjur

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This spam has already been posted in another thread.


But, thanks for trolling.
 

jlmadyson

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Yes this is the best part of the spam:

"Yeah, this is going to go over just as great as did the Abu Ghraib situation."

"Winning those hearts and minds by shooting bullets through them."
 

DainBrammage

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You three are the biggest sh!t-pot salesmen on the forums PERIOD
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Vacation. Just like all of you I have been banned before, I am sure it wont be the last time. You guys should get a permanent one for your argumentive postings that occur hourly from your feeble hands

And if its been posted before it needs to reposted again and again until this side is heard.
 

jlmadyson

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Originally posted by: DainBrammage
You three are the biggest sh!t-pot salesmen on the forums PERIOD
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Vacation. Just like all of you I have been banned before, I am sure it wont be the last time. You guys should get a permanent one for your argumentive postings that occur hourly from your feeble hands

Hehe, lets not forget the every 10 minute orginal postings from the lib press.
 

PatboyX

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well, i dont know what happened and i doubt the OP does either...i suggest we hold judgement until all information is out.
but...i will point out that you would have me (and others) backing you more if you didnt ask us to suck it at the bottom of your post.
 

JJWalker

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To the OP:

That story failed to account for the other marines that came lolly gagging out of the mosque prior to the idiot walking in there and executing the guy on the ground.



 

chess9

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His argument won't pass legal muster. Unless the Marine had a good reason to kill the guy, he's probably going to be court martialed.

If we don't set limits on our soldier's behavior, we would be the scourge of the civilized world. Uh, wait a minute, this news just in: WE ARE THE SCOURGE OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD. Forget it, proceed with random killings because things couldn't get any worse.

-Robert, an ex-Marine
 

cumhail

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Originally posted by: DainBrammage
edited. wont stoop to their level again

Whose level? You're the only person in this thread to swear at and instigate fights with any other members...

You have as much right to your opinions as they do (no more, no less); but if you're looking to persuade anyone that yours are worth taking note of, you might want to work on how you choose to convey them.

cumhail
 

daveshel

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LCPL Schmidt takes for granted the necessity of being there. My advice to him would be to unlace his boots, sit down on his couch, and try to figure out what we are doing there in the first place. Just because he is a highly trained soldier doesn't justify his being there. That he is told to kill does not make that killing necessary or right.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: JJWalker
To the OP:

That story failed to account for the other marines that came lolly gagging out of the mosque prior to the idiot walking in there and executing the guy on the ground.
And the embedded reporter telling them there were injured inside that were left behind by another group of Marines.
 

DainBrammage

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Infohawk here is your reply:

I have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. It is you who should be ashamed of turning your back on your country when it needs you the most. If you dont live in America than STFU. as you have no say as to what goes on here. Just sit back and ride the freedom train like the rest of the world does. Ineviatably it si America who always pulls the rest of the world out the deep sh!t holes they dig forthemselves because they think they know everything about everything.

You probally have relatives that have serverd this country in a past conflict or war. It is you Sir who should be ashamed of yourself and the political rhetoric you spew like an erupting volcano.

I have and will defend your right to say whatever you want it doesnt mean I have to like it. If you chose to post garbage than then GIGO.

I imagine you as a whimpering, cowardly child in your twenties with nothing better to do than spread you disease. If, in fact, I am wrong about your age then you are a sad sad sad excuse fo an adult. Either way, you are a coward who tries to justify his own fears by spouting nonsense that you gather from your fellow cowards to make you and you chicken little buds feel good. I vote we change your name from Infohawk to Infosquak as all you do is repaet everyhting you hear read or see from the left wing elitests. Or, we could just call you Sh!tBird as you have for the first time in your life earned something without the goverment bestowing it upon you.

You need to change your attitude and approach, and you will be doing that elsewhere.

AnandTech Moderator
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: daveshel
LCPL Schmidt takes for granted the necessity of being there. My advice to him would be to unlace his boots, sit down on his couch, and try to figure out what we are doing there in the first place. Just because he is a highly trained soldier doesn't justify his being there. That he is told to kill does not make that killing necessary or right.

Your government actually owns that Marine, if he doesn't do his job, he faces a court martial.

You've never been in the military have you?