The real reason why we don't want to go to war

[VBboy]

I think the real reason is that so many families have their children serve as soldiers. Of course they don't want their kids to end up killed, so they vote against the war. They also get others to support the idea.

Imagine how you would feel if your son was a soldier and was ordered to go to war. And parents with younger children probably worry as well, because we don't know how long the war could last, and so in the future their children may have to serve there as well...

Am I right?

 

[LordMaul]

what is it good for?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

absolutely nothing

 

[brxndxn]

poop

EDIT: fine, I'll edit mine too after I post it

 

[datalink7]

say it again yall!

 

[VBboy]

(I accidently pressed Enter, which resulted in the first, incomplete, post. Sorry)

 

[Soybomb]

No.

That may be the motivation for some but you could also ask is it necessary, is it right, etc.

So yes the potential unnecessary death of soldiers (and others) does come into play but not in as selfish of a light as you present it.
At least thats what I think

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: VBboy
I think the real reason is that so many families have their children serve as soldiers. Of course they don't want their kids to end up killed, so they vote against the war. They also get others to support the idea.

Imagine how you would feel if your son was a soldier and was ordered to go to war. And parents with younger children probably worry as well, because we don't know how long the war could last, and so in the future their children may have to serve there as well...

Am I right?

i've said that countless times. The Iraqi soldiers are not our enemies either, it is Saddam Hussein.

These politicians of most every world country are ALL SCUMBAGS. They are rich, they are powerful their families are immune to drafts, they are the ones that have access to nuclear bomb proof bunkers, years supply of water and food, and air conditioning underground, etc. etc.

They create the problems, and it is the common man that has to go fight, and the common man that suffers.

I wonder if Bush, Cheney, or Rumsefld would be so keen to war if their sons were on the frontline.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: VBboy
I think the real reason is that so many families have their children serve as soldiers. Of course they don't want their kids to end up killed, so they vote against the war. They also get others to support the idea.

Imagine how you would feel if your son was a soldier and was ordered to go to war. And parents with younger children probably worry as well, because we don't know how long the war could last, and so in the future their children may have to serve there as well...

Am I right?

I think for the most part, families will not like the idea of their sons going to war, but will accept and support them. These men VOLUNTEERED for military service so they all know and realize that their sons and daughters going to war is a very real possibility.

What you fail to realize is that we've been flying air patrols over Iraq since '91 as part of the cease-fire agreement with Iraq. Very dangerous mission because Iraq is constantly violating the cease-fire and firing on our planes!

My son is 10 months old. If, in 18 years, he decides to VOLUNTEER for the military, I will support him and be very proud of him.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: VBboy
I think the real reason is that so many families have their children serve as soldiers. Of course they don't want their kids to end up killed, so they vote against the war. They also get others to support the idea.

Imagine how you would feel if your son was a soldier and was ordered to go to war. And parents with younger children probably worry as well, because we don't know how long the war could last, and so in the future their children may have to serve there as well...

Am I right?

I think for the most part, families will not like the idea of their sons going to war, but will accept and support them. These men VOLUNTEERED for military service so they all know and realize that their sons and daughters going to war is a very real possibility.

What you fail to realize is that we've been flying air patrols over Iraq since '91 as part of the cease-fire agreement with Iraq. Very dangerous mission because Iraq is constantly violating the cease-fire and firing on our planes!

My son is 10 months old. If, in 18 years, he decides to VOLUNTEER for the military, I will support him and be very proud of him.

And we are in violation of creating BULLSH*T no fly zones. It was created by the U.S. with support from Britain. THe world does not support it. The U.N. does not support it.

LOL....

 

[Fencer128]

And we are in violation of creating BULLSH*T no fly zones. It was created by the U.S. with support from Britain. THe world does not support it. The U.N. does not support it.

Also set up by France (not just US and UK)

see this link

Andy

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: VBboy
I think the real reason is that so many families have their children serve as soldiers. Of course they don't want their kids to end up killed, so they vote against the war. They also get others to support the idea.

Imagine how you would feel if your son was a soldier and was ordered to go to war. And parents with younger children probably worry as well, because we don't know how long the war could last, and so in the future their children may have to serve there as well...

Am I right?

I would say your reasoning plays a small part why some people oppose war against Iraq.
There are many other reasons why people oppose war, some of other reasons are;

they simply don't like Bush,
they don't like violence,
they are afraid this war will create more hatred against americans,
they feel that Saddam is contained and can't do any harm to US,
they feel that this war will kill lot of civilians,
they feel that we are in for oil,
they feel that this is a start of world domination,
they feel that we don't have enough of proof
they feel that Iraq is a sovereign country and let their people deal with saddam

I'm sure there are other reasons, but that is all I could come up with for now.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

And we are in violation of creating BULLSH*T no fly zones. It was created by the U.S. with support from Britain. THe world does not support it. The U.N. does not support it.

Also set up by France (not just US and UK)

see this link

Andy

And france. But still not supported by un.

 

[SgtBuddy]

I volunteered to serve my country. It is hard to explain why. Many things are hard to explain.

Why do you get up in the morning?

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

And we are in violation of creating BULLSH*T no fly zones. It was created by the U.S. with support from Britain. THe world does not support it. The U.N. does not support it.

LOL....

Do you even know why Northern and Southern No-Fly zone was created?

It was to protect helpless tribes like Kurds and Shia. Without these protections,
they would have been wiped out by Saddam, but I guess that is O.K. with you,
just because it wasn't created by UN.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
absolutely nothing

HUH!

 

[LordRaiden]

War serves no purpose. I've been through firefights and they're no fun. People get killed and hurt. I've been through stuff like Black Hawk Down and We Were Soldiers where your chances of getting out are slim at the beginning and quickly vaporize and only by the grace of God do you even walk away. I have seen that first hand and I would not wish that on anybody for any reason. No matter what. There is ALWAYS another solution to war. War should never, EVER be an option. No matter what the reason. This comes from a veterans point of view. I'm no "peace loving, never been there so have no idea I'm talking about" kind of person. I've had the "been there, done that, hated it" experience, and I speak from that experience. In no way should war EVER happen for ANY reason. Peace always. Too bad that's not a reality.

 

[SaltBoy]

Originally posted by: LordRaiden
War serves no purpose. I've been through firefights and they're no fun. People get killed and hurt. I've been through stuff like Black Hawk Down and We Were Soldiers where your chances of getting out are slim at the beginning and quickly vaporize and only by the grace of God do you even walk away. I have seen that first hand and I would not wish that on anybody for any reason. No matter what. There is ALWAYS another solution to war. War should never, EVER be an option. No matter what the reason. This comes from a veterans point of view. I'm no "peace loving, never been there so have no idea I'm talking about" kind of person. I've had the "been there, done that, hated it" experience, and I speak from that experience. In no way should war EVER happen for ANY reason. Peace always. Too bad that's not a reality.

Unfortunately, it never will be a reality. We have to face up to that fact. As long as there are terrible, powerful, evil men out there like Hitler, Stalin, and -- arguably -- Hussein, war will have to be the solution to the problem. LordRaiden, I will be eternally grateful for your service, because without that service from you and people like you, I wouldn't have the freedom to write this message. Freedom is not free.

 

[Ynog]

Just to point out during the First Gulf War there were large
groups that protested the war. I'll admit that there are more
people now. But those people protested the War. You can
say all you want about the First Gulf War, Bush Sr, wanted
oil, but the true of the matter is Saddem invaded Kuwait.
When he was there his soldier murdered Kuwaitis, raped the
Kuwaiti women, and stole identies. Not to mention robbing
them.

I realize people were afraid of another Vietnam, but what was
the purpose of protesting that conflict. My point is that
there will always be people that don't want us to go to War.
And for those who say War is never ever a choice to fix a
problem. WW2 proved that WRONG. Europe did
everything they could think of to appease Germany.
And there still ended up being a war. If Britain, France, Russians
and others had stepped in earlier to stop Germany then
how many millions would have been saved.
Yes hindsight is 20/20. But though war is never wanted,
it is a choice, and sometimes its the only good choice.

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: datalink7
say it again yall!

HOO! HA!

 

[gump47371]

Originally posted by: SaltBoy

Originally posted by: LordRaiden
War serves no purpose. I've been through firefights and they're no fun. People get killed and hurt. I've been through stuff like Black Hawk Down and We Were Soldiers where your chances of getting out are slim at the beginning and quickly vaporize and only by the grace of God do you even walk away. I have seen that first hand and I would not wish that on anybody for any reason. No matter what. There is ALWAYS another solution to war. War should never, EVER be an option. No matter what the reason. This comes from a veterans point of view. I'm no "peace loving, never been there so have no idea I'm talking about" kind of person. I've had the "been there, done that, hated it" experience, and I speak from that experience. In no way should war EVER happen for ANY reason. Peace always. Too bad that's not a reality.

Unfortunately, it never will be a reality. We have to face up to that fact. As long as there are terrible, powerful, evil men out there like Hitler, Stalin, and -- arguably -- Hussein, war will have to be the solution to the problem. LordRaiden, I will be eternally grateful for your service, because without that service from you and people like you, I wouldn't have the freedom to write this message. Freedom is not free.

Well said, SaltBoy. LordRaiden, I also am very grateful to you for protecting what we have here.

However, I must disagree with what you said about war never being an option. Let me create a scenerio.

Say we just back off, and don't decide to invade. Say we even pull all the inspectors out, which should be done anyway, because they aren't going to find anything that Iraq doesn't want them to. If we stop being the aggressor, and "play nice" do you really think that Hussien will do the same, and will not attack us or Israel, or whomever else looks at him crosseyed,when he develops the weapons to do so? I don't think anyone can truthfully say that he would.

 

[Ynog]

Hey man

if you cannot find the weapons then they don't exist.