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The REAL reason behind X2 pricing

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superkdogg

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I submit to you that the driving force of the cost of X2 is that it is a drop-in dual core solution that is already compatible with most every A64 user's current system. This is opposed to the cost of the "inexpensive" PD's, + DDR2, + mobo, + PCI-E (not an option to stay with AGP).

When looked at this way, the TCO is more balanced and brings the price/performance of X2 in line. Hopefully people are smart enough to look at it this way instead of drink the Intel Kool-Aid again like they did with Prescott.
 
This has been posted in other threads (mostly by Zebo), but I agree. The price of entry is essentially the same between the two companies' dual-core offerings. Not to mention that you'll get a really low-end Intel solution for that money...
 
The real reason is it kicks everythings ass. Real simple. They are UNDERPRICED!!! Look at the benchmarks and read my Dual Core 4400+ is a good deal! thread.

I gurantee you they will sell out at every vendor. Amd will sell everyone made cept maybe the 4800's which seem above most peoples threshold. $1000 CPU's aint cool.
 
I can buy that...Now lets just get a 4000+ (2.0ghz 1mb) and 3800+ (2.0ghz 512kb) models in there and have a 400 dollar price tag....

Why this works now, I can agree with some Intel users that i955 chipsets will not be 255 for long once the chips start hitting the streets and more companies offer boards...A link showed that the actual chipset chip on the board is like 35-50 bucks so the 255 price tag is a bit of a premium...Also DDR2 will only drop further as more start to use it.....In that case AMD to fit that logic will need to add some slower cores or drop their prices...

What I suggest is this formula or thought works now but INtel will undobtedly be out a bit before AMD and will the current prices still be the same when AMD arrives??? If so then it works...If not then it starts to fall apart.....


The only i955 boards are Asus mobos right now...i am sure there will be sub 200's by the time they really launch....So basically lets factor in the percentage the 820 will lose in test and the pricing does seem to hold quite well right now.....


The fact some need to remember is

1) The 4400+ and 4200+ beat the 840 XE in most of the test and half the cost...they about always beat the 840...

2) Both the Intel cpus use 100 more watts of power under load....OUch!!!! Cooling is going to be an issue like always...may take a more premium power supply at added cost

3) DDR1 is cheaper...

4) Sckt 939s are widely available with many in the 100 or less range....Offers both AGP and PCI-express boards....

 
Not everyone is going to have to spend that much to upgrade their Intel system. For me, I see it as the least expensive way to experiment with dc's.

Estimates -
Sell my Intel 640 - $200
Sell my Asus P5AD2-e Premium - $150

Already bought an Asus P5WD2 Premium - $238

Need to buy - Intel Pentium D 830 - $350 (currently available for preorder at techonweb.com)

Cost - $238

A year from now, I can go Socket M2 by getting a mobo and cpu, I have everything else. So, it's not that bad for everyone.
 
I dunno... even the X2 4400+ with 512KB L2 cache seems high. It's about $540 right? (their cheapest one) Most places will raise that to about $15-25 more, but lets say $550. Ok so basically we are getting what... two 3500+'s right? Now an OEM 3500+ (90nm) can be found for around $240 x 2 = $480. Putting two of these in one package should be less that the cost of two 3500+'s in my opinion. Don't get me wrong these new X2's are amazing, just not 1/2 a grand amazing in my book.
 
The 4400+ has 1mb of l2 cache per core...the 4200+ is the one with 512kb of l2 per core....


Capt Caveman you are right....I had a thread back awhile ago where a person coming from a DDR2 INtel chipset can upgrade at a nice price.....Since you OC as well you will get your bang for the buck.....

For me I will spend 531-580 to upgrade and hold everything else.....
 
Caveman - goodness those 955x board are pricey. The A8N-E is half that price. Now you begin to see why AMD is not so bad. How much is ram that will run 2-2-2? I can get that in AMD world for $120 a gig. Ouch
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
For me I will spend 531-580 to upgrade and hold everything else.....
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same here, unless the prices come down, or better procs come out between launch and next feb.

 
When is someone going to come up with a unit of performance vs. platform cost benchmark. It would be very easy to accomplish, and in this case, the results would be very surprising to some. Intel platforms are almost always more expensive per unit of performance. Requiring the user to buy a totally new platform, vs. a chip is definitely going to cost more.
 
I'm spending $1300

Some R520 $500, I hope
4400+ $550
DFI LP NF4 $130
1GB Muskin UTT $120

Plan is to clock 2x 3Ghz (water of course) and mem somewhere around 250Mhz @ 2-2-2-8/1T.

You think It'll be fast😛
 
Dual core seems like a waste for average computer users atm. maybe when games start cropping up with smp support dual core will be more useful but right now, how many people here actually run 367 instances of ff and encode 3 movies and 16 mp3's at the same time? Looking at the benches anand did today, I see no reason for normal computer users to bother with dual core yet...

Personally, I'll wait for all the early adopters to convince software companies to write smp code, then, 3 or 5 years from now when dual core is actually useful, I'll grab a dual core chip.
 
I'm a normal computer user and I wouldn't mind being able to render in the background while doing something else, like gaming. Right now my box comes to a standstill while rendering.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
I'm spending $1300

Some R520 $500, I hope
4400+ $550
DFI LP NF4 $130
1GB Muskin UTT $120

Plan is to clock 2x 3Ghz (water of course) and mem somewhere around 250Mhz @ 2-2-2-8/1T.

You think It'll be fast😛
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That sounds so fast I cannot imagine on what I would use it.

I must admit I am a very enthusiast person that tries to read and know as much as possible of the hardware world, but my real use of a computer HARDLY needs what I have.

Off Topic: fvc*ing firefox crashed on me again. Does this happen to any of you? Using 1.0.3; Iexplore has not crashed on me on this rig since I made it.
 
I'm still having sticker shock despite the acceptable price point for what you get. I guess I'd rather have two or three Accords instead of a Lexus.
 
I hear ya.. I too so want a $150 1.8 chip🙁 Most will wait... but I've been planning an opteron setup for like ever but could never quite justify the price...this is signifigantly cheaper and faster. 🙂
 
Die size too ( about the same as the orignal 130nm clawhammer) and dont forget there using 200mm wafers, not 300mm like Intel.

 
Originally posted by: superkdogg
I'm still having sticker shock despite the acceptable price point for what you get. I guess I'd rather have two or three Accords instead of a Lexus.
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You can't drive two cars at the same time...
 
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Not everyone is going to have to spend that much to upgrade their Intel system. For me, I see it as the least expensive way to experiment with dc's.

Estimates -
Sell my Intel 640 - $200
Sell my Asus P5AD2-e Premium - $150

Already bought an Asus P5WD2 Premium - $238

Need to buy - Intel Pentium D 830 - $350 (currently available for preorder at techonweb.com)

Cost - $238

A year from now, I can go Socket M2 by getting a mobo and cpu, I have everything else. So, it's not that bad for everyone.
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and what about you paid two months ago for P4 640, Asus P5AD2-e Premium and 512mbx2 Patriot PC2-5600 DDR2-700?
 
Just compare X2 to 2X2series single core Opteron of even close to same clockspeed and the price is a steal. Then consider you will overclock far more on X2 then those Opterons and this is a no brainer. Then there is the reg ram, maybe a form factor that forces you to get a new case. Being able to move to this type of SMP performance for such little money is a brave new world 🙂
 
The real reason for A64 X2 being as expensive is that's what amd can get away with charging. They'll have worked out how many of these things they can make at first (prob. not very many) and how much the people who can get one are willing to pay. Because there are enough rich people out there willing to pay top dollar for all the chips they can produce they can charge that much. It helps that intel hasn't given them much competition in the market amd are aiming to dominate (enthusiast build my own pc fanatic).
 
Originally posted by: alexXx
you mean 230$ a gig
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nope. its about $60 a stick. amazing isn't it? Ram prices have really dropped. I bought a 1GB of PQI for $86. It runs 2.5-3-3-7 2T at 233mhz. I'm happy with that.
 
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