The real problem with XTC (MDMA)

[LordMagnusKain]

is that it destroys your serotonin emitters because of oxidization,
Link

A heavy dose of anti-oxidants and constant intake of vitamin C while rolling will reduce the damage to about 10%;
1-2 grams of vitamin C, 50-100mg 5-HTP, 5000 IU vitamin A, 400 IU vitamin E, 5-50mg B-6

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[DaveSimmons]

Nigel's whole future is as good as sealed.

 

[GoingUp]

have jesus show you how to link

 

[r6ashih]

basicaly it makes holes in your brain?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

It destroys the part of your brain that it stimulates to make you 'happy'.

 

[dolph]

yup, that's all exacltly right (according to my bio friends)

 

[Platypus]

Holes in your brain? Brain damage?

Maybe you should deal with scientific fact instead of popular (read: government-sponsored) myth.

Ecstasy and brain damage

That's one of the many articles exposing that popular myth; I'd provide more if I had the time. The real damage comes from dehydration, since ecstasy raises body temperature and people don't bother to properly hydrate themselves. Pure MDMA simply won't (directly) cause brain damage, holes, or death.

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Holes in your brain? Brain damage?

Maybe you should deal with scientific fact instead of popular (read: government-sponsored) myth.

Ecstasy and brain damage

That's one of the many articles exposing that popular myth; I'd provide more if I had the time. The real damage comes from dehydration, since ecstasy raises body temperature and people don't bother to properly hydrate themselves. Pure MDMA simply won't (directly) cause brain damage, holes, or death.

We [my psych class] actually looked at the brain scans of an MDMA user years after last receiving an ecstasy injection. Their serotonin levels were shot to hell. I believe the study was on monkeys though. here ya go

MDMA acts by leeching off the serotonin in your brain. You can see that even 7 years later, the monkey is still not 'normal'. I don't think it's a myth at all that heavy MDMA usage WILL damage your brain in the long run.

-silver

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Holes in your brain? Brain damage?

Maybe you should deal with scientific fact instead of popular (read: government-sponsored) myth.

Ecstasy and brain damage

That's one of the many articles exposing that popular myth; I'd provide more if I had the time. The real damage comes from dehydration, since ecstasy raises body temperature and people don't bother to properly hydrate themselves. Pure MDMA simply won't (directly) cause brain damage, holes, or death.

We [my psych class] actually looked at the brain scans of an MDMA user years after last receiving an ecstasy injection. Their serotonin levels were shot to hell. I believe the study was on monkeys though. here ya go

MDMA acts by leeching off the serotonin in your brain. You can see that even 7 years later, the monkey is still not 'normal'. I don't think it's a myth at all that heavy MDMA usage WILL damage your brain in the long run.

-silver

Did you happen to read the link I posted?

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Holes in your brain? Brain damage?

Maybe you should deal with scientific fact instead of popular (read: government-sponsored) myth.

Ecstasy and brain damage

That's one of the many articles exposing that popular myth; I'd provide more if I had the time. The real damage comes from dehydration, since ecstasy raises body temperature and people don't bother to properly hydrate themselves. Pure MDMA simply won't (directly) cause brain damage, holes, or death.

We [my psych class] actually looked at the brain scans of an MDMA user years after last receiving an ecstasy injection. Their serotonin levels were shot to hell. I believe the study was on monkeys though. here ya go

MDMA acts by leeching off the serotonin in your brain. You can see that even 7 years later, the monkey is still not 'normal'. I don't think it's a myth at all that heavy MDMA usage WILL damage your brain in the long run.

-silver

Did you happen to read the link I posted?

Yes, I read the link posted on an Internet page called 'Center for cognitive liberty & ethics' where they state that the mind should be free and people can do what they want to their bodies (bias++).

I wasn't making any statements about holes in the brain. The study you've seen of a human brain is probably not the same person. This is a study on monkeys and actually is the same monkey after seven years. There's a reason there have never been studies on people for MDMA. It's because they can't take somebody off the street, take an EKG, jack them up full of MDMA for a few months, then scan again It's practically impossible to do a study like that since there's no way to obtain that data.

What they can do is compare the average brain to the user of MDMA and show the differences. If monkeys are anything like us, pepole that use MDMA are flushing their serotonin away.

-silver

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Holes in your brain? Brain damage?

Maybe you should deal with scientific fact instead of popular (read: government-sponsored) myth.

Ecstasy and brain damage

That's one of the many articles exposing that popular myth; I'd provide more if I had the time. The real damage comes from dehydration, since ecstasy raises body temperature and people don't bother to properly hydrate themselves. Pure MDMA simply won't (directly) cause brain damage, holes, or death.

We [my psych class] actually looked at the brain scans of an MDMA user years after last receiving an ecstasy injection. Their serotonin levels were shot to hell. I believe the study was on monkeys though. here ya go

MDMA acts by leeching off the serotonin in your brain. You can see that even 7 years later, the monkey is still not 'normal'. I don't think it's a myth at all that heavy MDMA usage WILL damage your brain in the long run.

-silver

Did you happen to read the link I posted?

Yes, I read the link posted on an Internet page called 'Center for cognitive liberty & ethics' where they state that the mind should be free and people can do what they want to their bodies (bias++).

I wasn't making any statements about holes in the brain. The study you've seen of a human brain is probably not the same person. This is a study on monkeys and actually is the same monkey after seven years. There's a reason there have never been studies on people for MDMA. It's because they can't take somebody off the street, take an EKG, jack them up full of MDMA for a few months, then scan again It's practically impossible to do a study like that since there's no way to obtain that data.

What they can do is compare the average brain to the user of MDMA and show the differences. If monkeys are anything like us, pepole that use MDMA are flushing their serotonin away.

-silver

Funny because Dr. Shulgin invented the drug. Why do people automatically assume that testing on animals means that it will have the same effect on humans?

 

[iwearnosox]

I did mdma a few times and I'm perfectly normal. /\

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Holes in your brain? Brain damage?

Maybe you should deal with scientific fact instead of popular (read: government-sponsored) myth.

Ecstasy and brain damage

That's one of the many articles exposing that popular myth; I'd provide more if I had the time. The real damage comes from dehydration, since ecstasy raises body temperature and people don't bother to properly hydrate themselves. Pure MDMA simply won't (directly) cause brain damage, holes, or death.

We [my psych class] actually looked at the brain scans of an MDMA user years after last receiving an ecstasy injection. Their serotonin levels were shot to hell. I believe the study was on monkeys though. here ya go

MDMA acts by leeching off the serotonin in your brain. You can see that even 7 years later, the monkey is still not 'normal'. I don't think it's a myth at all that heavy MDMA usage WILL damage your brain in the long run.

-silver

Did you happen to read the link I posted?

Yes, I read the link posted on an Internet page called 'Center for cognitive liberty & ethics' where they state that the mind should be free and people can do what they want to their bodies (bias++).

I wasn't making any statements about holes in the brain. The study you've seen of a human brain is probably not the same person. This is a study on monkeys and actually is the same monkey after seven years. There's a reason there have never been studies on people for MDMA. It's because they can't take somebody off the street, take an EKG, jack them up full of MDMA for a few months, then scan again It's practically impossible to do a study like that since there's no way to obtain that data.

What they can do is compare the average brain to the user of MDMA and show the differences. If monkeys are anything like us, pepole that use MDMA are flushing their serotonin away.

-silver

Funny because Dr. Shulgin invented the drug. Why do people automatically assume that testing on animals means that it will have the same effect on humans?

Actually, it was synthesized in 1912 It wasn't used extensively until the 50s during drug research.

Animal testing provides many insights into drugs and their side effects. I also think we will react the same since we share 95% of primate dna I'm also weary to trust the man who 'invented' it and possibly has a vested interest in not seeing its good name tarnished a la the tobacco companies until they were forced to comply with federal law.

-silver

-silver

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
I did mdma a few times and I'm perfectly normal. /\

A few times != extensive usage. It's like comparing the occasional marijuana smoker to somebody who smokes an eighth every day. There are definite differences there.

-silver

 

[TheNinja]

I just can't understand why people WILL NOT admit to the fact that drugs are harmful to your body. Alcohol, Caffeine (while I can't spell it I know it's bad for you ) are bad just as XTC, Crack, Pot, and PCP are. How harmful they actually are can be debated but face it, drugs are harmful to your body, quit trying to say that they aren't. You simply cannot say that puffing smoke into your lungs is not harmful, or that taking some lab produced "pills" called XTC is good for you. Sure if you do it occassionally you probably aren't going to notice the harmful effects of most drugs, but long term things will start to happen in a bad way.....just admit it people!!!

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: Staley8
I just can't understand why people WILL NOT admit to the fact that drugs are harmful to your body. Alcohol, Caffeine (while I can't spell it I know it's bad for you ) are bad just as XTC, Crack, Pot, and PCP are. How harmful they actually are can be debated but face it, drugs are harmful to your body, quit trying to say that they aren't. You simply cannot say that puffing smoke into your lungs is not harmful, or that taking some lab produced "pills" called XTC is good for you. Sure if you do it occassionally you probably aren't going to notice the harmful effects of most drugs, but long term things will start to happen in a bad way.....just admit it people!!!

Living a normal life is harmful to your body. Eating at McDonalds is harmful to your body. Alcohol and Caffeine have hardly the effects that cocaine and pcp do on your body. That's a blanket statement. I don't think anyone is denying they may have harmful effects, but they are disputing the FUD that you just made by saying all drugs are equally as bad.

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: Staley8
Caffeine

Caffeine? That's not really harmful unless you're doing 1g pills of it or something. Do you not take aspirin when you have a headache?

-silver

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Holes in your brain? Brain damage?

Maybe you should deal with scientific fact instead of popular (read: government-sponsored) myth.

Ecstasy and brain damage

That's one of the many articles exposing that popular myth; I'd provide more if I had the time. The real damage comes from dehydration, since ecstasy raises body temperature and people don't bother to properly hydrate themselves. Pure MDMA simply won't (directly) cause brain damage, holes, or death.

We [my psych class] actually looked at the brain scans of an MDMA user years after last receiving an ecstasy injection. Their serotonin levels were shot to hell. I believe the study was on monkeys though. here ya go

MDMA acts by leeching off the serotonin in your brain. You can see that even 7 years later, the monkey is still not 'normal'. I don't think it's a myth at all that heavy MDMA usage WILL damage your brain in the long run.

-silver

Did you happen to read the link I posted?

Yes, I read the link posted on an Internet page called 'Center for cognitive liberty & ethics' where they state that the mind should be free and people can do what they want to their bodies (bias++).

I wasn't making any statements about holes in the brain. The study you've seen of a human brain is probably not the same person. This is a study on monkeys and actually is the same monkey after seven years. There's a reason there have never been studies on people for MDMA. It's because they can't take somebody off the street, take an EKG, jack them up full of MDMA for a few months, then scan again It's practically impossible to do a study like that since there's no way to obtain that data.

What they can do is compare the average brain to the user of MDMA and show the differences. If monkeys are anything like us, pepole that use MDMA are flushing their serotonin away.

-silver

Is that the study where there were injecting the monkey(s) with obscene amounts of MDMA? The amount of X someone would have to take to equal what they gave that monkey is staggering....on the level of the peanut butter causes cancer and the sachharine studies.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Staley8
I just can't understand why people WILL NOT admit to the fact that drugs are harmful to your body. Alcohol, Caffeine (while I can't spell it I know it's bad for you ) are bad just as XTC, Crack, Pot, and PCP are. How harmful they actually are can be debated but face it, drugs are harmful to your body, quit trying to say that they aren't. You simply cannot say that puffing smoke into your lungs is not harmful, or that taking some lab produced "pills" called XTC is good for you. Sure if you do it occassionally you probably aren't going to notice the harmful effects of most drugs, but long term things will start to happen in a bad way.....just admit it people!!!

I know that it's bad for me. I know the risks. MR > MC.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Holes in your brain? Brain damage?

Maybe you should deal with scientific fact instead of popular (read: government-sponsored) myth.

Ecstasy and brain damage

That's one of the many articles exposing that popular myth; I'd provide more if I had the time. The real damage comes from dehydration, since ecstasy raises body temperature and people don't bother to properly hydrate themselves. Pure MDMA simply won't (directly) cause brain damage, holes, or death.

We [my psych class] actually looked at the brain scans of an MDMA user years after last receiving an ecstasy injection. Their serotonin levels were shot to hell. I believe the study was on monkeys though. here ya go

MDMA acts by leeching off the serotonin in your brain. You can see that even 7 years later, the monkey is still not 'normal'. I don't think it's a myth at all that heavy MDMA usage WILL damage your brain in the long run.

-silver

Did you happen to read the link I posted?

Did you happen to read any of the links I posted? Erowid is non-bias source of info, and what i posted wasn't some dorky blurb about 'brain holes' but actual scientific papers based on research!

The fact is that oxidization destroys seratonin emitters, it's not 'brain holes' or 'memory holes' *silly notion*so much as you are going to be physically incapable of being as happy after taking it as you where physically capable before.


People should know the dangers and if they are going to engage in hurtful behavior they should minimize the damage.


Taking a dose of MDMA is like riding a motor cycle... you WILL fall and get hurt.. the only question is will you be waring helmet at the time.

 

[DOSfan]

Originally posted by: Staley8
I just can't understand why people WILL NOT admit to the fact that drugs are harmful to your body. Alcohol, Caffeine (while I can't spell it I know it's bad for you ) are bad just as XTC, Crack, Pot, and PCP are. How harmful they actually are can be debated but face it, drugs are harmful to your body, quit trying to say that they aren't. You simply cannot say that puffing smoke into your lungs is not harmful, or that taking some lab produced "pills" called XTC is good for you. Sure if you do it occassionally you probably aren't going to notice the harmful effects of most drugs, but long term things will start to happen in a bad way.....just admit it people!!!

I will admit that life is harmful to my body.

Since I was concieved, my cells have been breaking down. Until one day I will not exist as a physical being.

Why can't people like you relax, and let others speed up the process for themselves?

I am not a drug advocate, nor a "just say no prude." But I say, if you want to speed up the natural order of things, go right ahead. Try to avoid driving, or any other "public endangering" activities, and I promise I will do the same when I drink my six packs of beer and pop a few Tylenol PM's.

Okay? :disgust:

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
I did mdma a few times and I'm perfectly normal. /\

A few times != extensive usage. It's like comparing the occasional marijuana smoker to somebody who smokes an eighth every day. There are definite differences there.

-silver

I did ecstasy about 3 times a week (at least) for a good 6-8 months, and I'm fine.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Holes in your brain? Brain damage?

Maybe you should deal with scientific fact instead of popular (read: government-sponsored) myth.

Ecstasy and brain damage

That's one of the many articles exposing that popular myth; I'd provide more if I had the time. The real damage comes from dehydration, since ecstasy raises body temperature and people don't bother to properly hydrate themselves. Pure MDMA simply won't (directly) cause brain damage, holes, or death.

We [my psych class] actually looked at the brain scans of an MDMA user years after last receiving an ecstasy injection. Their serotonin levels were shot to hell. I believe the study was on monkeys though. here ya go

MDMA acts by leeching off the serotonin in your brain. You can see that even 7 years later, the monkey is still not 'normal'. I don't think it's a myth at all that heavy MDMA usage WILL damage your brain in the long run.

-silver

Did you happen to read the link I posted?

Did you happen to read any of the links I posted? Erowid is non-bias source of info, and what i posted wasn't some dorky blurb about 'brain holes' but actual scientific papers based on research!

The fact is that oxidization destroys seratonin emitters, it's not 'brain holes' or 'memory holes' *silly notion*so much as you are going to be physically incapable of being as happy after taking it as you where physically capable before.


People should know the dangers and if they are going to engage in hurtful behavior they should minimize the damage.


Taking a dose of MDMA is like riding a motor cycle... you WILL fall and get hurt.. the only question is will you be waring helmet at the time.

i strongly doubt erowid is non bias. although i still use their info. and if anybody can find me negative effects of shrooms i'd be thankful

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
I did mdma a few times and I'm perfectly normal. /\

A few times != extensive usage. It's like comparing the occasional marijuana smoker to somebody who smokes an eighth every day. There are definite differences there.

-silver

I did ecstasy about 3 times a week (at least) for a good 6-8 months, and I'm fine.

did you use triptiphan to replenish, or did you just use the stuff like speed? the problems with the MDA aspect of MDMA is more in the way of dopamine problems... look for Parkinson's in 5-30 years.

***********

Mushies, like all hallucinogens, when taken habitually will cause long-term memory retention problems...

There is also a spiritual loss that occurs when taking 'spiritual' substances.


***********

Erowid.Org may not be non-bias, but if they do have a bias it's FOR the use of drugs.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Holes in your brain? Brain damage?

Maybe you should deal with scientific fact instead of popular (read: government-sponsored) myth.

Ecstasy and brain damage

That's one of the many articles exposing that popular myth; I'd provide more if I had the time. The real damage comes from dehydration, since ecstasy raises body temperature and people don't bother to properly hydrate themselves. Pure MDMA simply won't (directly) cause brain damage, holes, or death.

We [my psych class] actually looked at the brain scans of an MDMA user years after last receiving an ecstasy injection. Their serotonin levels were shot to hell. I believe the study was on monkeys though. here ya go

MDMA acts by leeching off the serotonin in your brain. You can see that even 7 years later, the monkey is still not 'normal'. I don't think it's a myth at all that heavy MDMA usage WILL damage your brain in the long run.

-silver

Did you happen to read the link I posted?

Did you happen to read any of the links I posted? Erowid is non-bias source of info, and what i posted wasn't some dorky blurb about 'brain holes' but actual scientific papers based on research!

The fact is that oxidization destroys seratonin emitters, it's not 'brain holes' or 'memory holes' *silly notion*so much as you are going to be physically incapable of being as happy after taking it as you where physically capable before.


People should know the dangers and if they are going to engage in hurtful behavior they should minimize the damage.


Taking a dose of MDMA is like riding a motor cycle... you WILL fall and get hurt.. the only question is will you be waring helmet at the time.

i strongly doubt erowid is non bias. although i still use their info. and if anybody can find me negative effects of shrooms i'd be thankful

Dosn' ya go.

Taking psyilocybin containing mushrooms while on an MAOI can dramatically increase the effects of the experience. MAOIs are most commonly found in the prescription anti-depressants Nardil (phenelzine), Parnate (tranylcypromine), Marplan (isocarboxazid), Eldepryl (l-deprenyl), and Aurorex or Manerix (moclobemide). Ayahuasca also contains MAOIs (harmine and harmaline). Check with your doctor if you are not sure whether your prescription medication is an MAOI.


Individuals currently in the midst of emotional or psychological upheaval in their everyday lives should be careful about choosing to use psychedelics such as mushrooms as they can trigger even more difficulty


Individuals with a family history of schizophrenia or early onset mental illness should be extremely careful because mushrooms have been known to trigger latent psychological and mental problems.