• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

The real problem is that Republicans are deeply afraid of Democrats

I

interchange

Diamond Member
I'd like to bring some comments that Romney made in response to opening the impeachment inquiry for discussion here.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/mitt-romney-impeachment-trump-ukraine/index.html

Specifically, this part:
Perhaps as a way of explaining Trump's motivation for talking to Zelensky about Biden and his son -- and his party's inclination to defend the President, Romney noted that both parties feel deeply that if the opposing party were in charge "terrible things would happen for the country ... and it's critical for them to hold on to their leadership."
Click to expand...

While I agree with him that those feelings operate in both directions, I cannot say they are equivalent. What I can say is that Republicans control the White House and Senate so their feelings about Democrats are what is operative in the here and now.

Basically, Romney is saying that Republicans' defense of Trump has nothing to do specifically with their like for Trump, and even fundamentally not directly to serve their own interests to remain in power at all costs. What he is saying is that they are deeply afraid of what the Country will be like if Democrats take power. They believe that they will destroy America in pushing for socialist programs, appointing judges that will erase the 2nd amendment, crash our economy by trying to prevent climate change, bring us to nuclear war by failing to keep Iran in check, etc. Under these auspices, they will do anything regardless of legality or ethics or even whether they think their President's agenda is actually good for the country to keep Democrats from governing.

This is how I've finally been able to reconcile Bill Barr. There is a lot on the surface to dislike, but I could not see in him the blatant actions he has taken to protect Trump, perjure himself, and we now know be part of Trump's Ukraine agenda and also trying to keep it out of the public's hands. Now I can understand that he is willing to do these things because he feels he must fundamentally keep Democrats away from power for the nation to survive.

In a way, by exposing all of this, if the 5 alarm fire in the Trump White House is not doused, the President will have succeeded in draining the swamp.

I also wish to say that our fear is real yet misplaced upon each other. We all fear for our nation's path. Many of us fear deeply and imminently for the world's fate on many levels. We don't have to assume those who see things differently intend to hasten our demise. If we ally together in our shared fears and our shared wish to abate them, maybe there is hope yet.
 
Then secede and form your own country without the *cough* brown people *cough*.

Scared of libs no more
 
interchange said:
I'd like to bring some comments that Romney made in response to opening the impeachment inquiry for discussion here.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/mitt-romney-impeachment-trump-ukraine/index.html

Specifically, this part:


While I agree with him that those feelings operate in both directions, I cannot say they are equivalent. What I can say is that Republicans control the White House and Senate so their feelings about Democrats are what is operative in the here and now.

Basically, Romney is saying that Republicans' defense of Trump has nothing to do specifically with their like for Trump, and even fundamentally not directly to serve their own interests to remain in power at all costs. What he is saying is that they are deeply afraid of what the Country will be like if Democrats take power. They believe that they will destroy America in pushing for socialist programs, appointing judges that will erase the 2nd amendment, crash our economy by trying to prevent climate change, bring us to nuclear war by failing to keep Iran in check, etc. Under these auspices, they will do anything regardless of legality or ethics or even whether they think their President's agenda is actually good for the country to keep Democrats from governing.

This is how I've finally been able to reconcile Bill Barr. There is a lot on the surface to dislike, but I could not see in him the blatant actions he has taken to protect Trump, perjure himself, and we now know be part of Trump's Ukraine agenda and also trying to keep it out of the public's hands. Now I can understand that he is willing to do these things because he feels he must fundamentally keep Democrats away from power for the nation to survive.

In a way, by exposing all of this, if the 5 alarm fire in the Trump White House is not doused, the President will have succeeded in draining the swamp.

I also wish to say that our fear is real yet misplaced upon each other. We all fear for our nation's path. Many of us fear deeply and imminently for the world's fate on many levels. We don't have to assume those who see things differently intend to hasten our demise. If we ally together in our shared fears and our shared wish to abate them, maybe there is hope yet.
Click to expand...
Of course they are afraid. They have all been gaslit for 40+ years to be afraid of everything liberals say and do.
 
This is kind of like a no shit post? Although self-interest is definitely intertwined. It's not selfless.
 
Fear is being installed in people ... by other people that understands fear and with the means to do so. Its the eternal puppet show. Not so long ago it was old men i robes selling fear of damnation that ruled the day.
Not until we conquer our fear shall we be free of these chains.
 
Maxima1 said:
This is kind of like a no shit post? Although self-interest is definitely intertwined. It's not selfless.
Click to expand...

I don't think Mueller is an example of a Republican who successfully warded off this self-interest. I agree that a certain pathology must be present to act this way regardless of fears of Democrat control, but that pathology might as well be equivalent with "politician" for the most part.
 
interchange said:
I agree that a certain pathology must be present to act this way regardless of fears of Democrat control, but that pathology might as well be equivalent with "politician" for the most part.
Click to expand...

I'd like to add that it's sort of hard to understand why Barr at his age would put himself through all this (personally, I can't understand why a lot of rich people continue to work even into old age), but I'm sure he had enormous confidence the Republicans would insulate him from being held accountable, and what he's doing is a benefit to his immediate family, relatives, and friends. It did in fact look like some nepotism was going on when Barr was added to the team, and we all know he associates with a circle of elite families. Many people love to push the ladder off once they've reached the top.
 
Each of those points could be individually destroyed quite easily. Off the top of my head, Obama had Iran contained (wrt nuclear development) and Trump is responsible for more gun restrictions than Obama.

But red hats will never listen. They're gaslit beyond redemption. We just have to get rid of the mechanisms that allowed it to happen, and hopefully newer generations can undo the damage.
 
dainthomas said:
Each of those points could be individually destroyed quite easily. Off the top of my head, Obama had Iran contained (wrt nuclear development) and Trump is responsible for more gun restrictions than Obama.

But red hats will never listen. They're gaslit beyond redemption. We just have to get rid of the mechanisms that allowed it to happen, and hopefully newer generations can undo the damage.
Click to expand...

I think the fears more relate to the progressive arm and Obama/Clinton as steps down a slippery slope. By going hard against it they might imagine it has effect to make Democrats more moderate. I don't think it works that way.
 
Maxima1 said:
I'd like to add that it's sort of hard to understand why Barr at his age would put himself through all this (personally, I can't understand why a lot of rich people continue to work even into old age), but I'm sure he had enormous confidence the Republicans would insulate him from being held accountable, and what he's doing is a benefit to his immediate family, relatives, and friends. It did in fact look like some nepotism was going on when Barr was added to the team, and we all know he associates with a circle of elite families. Many people love to push the ladder off once they've reached the top.
Click to expand...

Agreed I never could figure that out.
Why continue to work when you have let’s say 5 million plus and you are over 60 years old. Why continue to work when you have 10 million plus and you are over 30.
I can understand someone who owns a business because they want to keep people employed but anyone making money like that on contract work or investments I cannot figure out why they continue.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Agreed I never could figure that out.
Why continue to work when you have let’s say 5 million plus and you are over 60 years old. Why continue to work when you have 10 million plus and you are over 30.
I can understand someone who owns a business because they want to keep people employed but anyone making money like that on contract work or investments I cannot figure out why they continue.
Click to expand...

Because making money to amass power has become their purpose in life.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Agreed I never could figure that out.
Why continue to work when you have let’s say 5 million plus and you are over 60 years old. Why continue to work when you have 10 million plus and you are over 30.
I can understand someone who owns a business because they want to keep people employed but anyone making money like that on contract work or investments I cannot figure out why they continue.
Click to expand...
The drive to amass that 5 or 10 million doesn't go away once it's achieved. For many, it never goes away. The other factor is financial insecurity. Many who have amassed 10 million simply don't ever feel it's enough. Ironically, they can feel the financial wolf at their door far more acutely than a middle class person with a "decent" job and their mortgage on the way to being paid. Fear is emotional, not logical. "Greed", too.
 
Makes some sense-if you TOTALLY ignore what the current GOP President is doing to the country. I mean seriously, how could a Dem (especially if the Senate remains in GOP hands, which IMO is likely) damage the country anymore than that joker?
 
My concern is power concentrated in any party to the exclusion of all others. For now the Dems need to crush the Republicans but eventually the power will go to their heads.
 
interchange said:
I'd like to bring some comments that Romney made in response to opening the impeachment inquiry for discussion here.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/mitt-romney-impeachment-trump-ukraine/index.html

Specifically, this part:


While I agree with him that those feelings operate in both directions, I cannot say they are equivalent. What I can say is that Republicans control the White House and Senate so their feelings about Democrats are what is operative in the here and now.

Basically, Romney is saying that Republicans' defense of Trump has nothing to do specifically with their like for Trump, and even fundamentally not directly to serve their own interests to remain in power at all costs. What he is saying is that they are deeply afraid of what the Country will be like if Democrats take power. They believe that they will destroy America in pushing for socialist programs, appointing judges that will erase the 2nd amendment, crash our economy by trying to prevent climate change, bring us to nuclear war by failing to keep Iran in check, etc. Under these auspices, they will do anything regardless of legality or ethics or even whether they think their President's agenda is actually good for the country to keep Democrats from governing.

This is how I've finally been able to reconcile Bill Barr. There is a lot on the surface to dislike, but I could not see in him the blatant actions he has taken to protect Trump, perjure himself, and we now know be part of Trump's Ukraine agenda and also trying to keep it out of the public's hands. Now I can understand that he is willing to do these things because he feels he must fundamentally keep Democrats away from power for the nation to survive.

In a way, by exposing all of this, if the 5 alarm fire in the Trump White House is not doused, the President will have succeeded in draining the swamp.

I also wish to say that our fear is real yet misplaced upon each other. We all fear for our nation's path. Many of us fear deeply and imminently for the world's fate on many levels. We don't have to assume those who see things differently intend to hasten our demise. If we ally together in our shared fears and our shared wish to abate them, maybe there is hope yet.
Click to expand...

You are 100% right. What Republicans do and their violations of democracy are entirely based on what they think Democrats would do in their place.

This is demonstrably wrong, but this is what they believe.
 
dank69 said:
Nobody has ever been right all their lives. It's actually weird to even suggest such a thing is possible. Well except for people like Trump with the bigliest brains.
Click to expand...


Oh, you suggested it remember? It's weird to suggest that one party having control forever is a great thing. That's a bigliest brain who endorses that.

For NOW, the Dems need to be in the drivers seat. Some other party may emerge which is worthy of consideration and power corrupts over time.

It's the nature of humans and politics.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top