The Real Obscenity: They Will Call the Police

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werepossum

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Mountaintop removal mining is a horrible practice; being a mountaintop, it is without exception a significant drainage and that means the runoff will contaminate streams for miles around. The silt will smother fish and invertebrate eggs and render habitat unusable for hundreds of years. The tailings will acidify the water to the point of killing streams. Mountaintop removal mining is a shining example of why we need greatly increased reliance on nuclear, natural gas, recovered methane, and solar.

As far as these people, assuming the blasting did cause the problem as seems likely, the company owes them not bottled water, but a state of the art filtration system and a supply of filters for as long as this situation lasts. Mountaintop removal mining is unfortunately a legal practice, but the people damaged by it still need to be made whole. Bathing in muddy water heavily contaminated with heavy metals and dangerous organics is NOT being made whole.
 

OutHouse

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It is the only bathing water they have. Don't be such a tool.

what? so since its the only water they have its ok? wtf man.

its a fucking shame we have this shit in our country. the people responsible should be in jail.

goat herders out in keyna have better water than those people.
 

nehalem256

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What you don't seem to get is that this is what thousands of people have to live with every day. They don't have any other choice.

You prefer to ridicule and blame the victim than to think about or have to deal with the real problem.

Bathing in brown water is pointless.

The only reason for sticking the child in it was for the photo-op. People who engage in child abuse should be ridiculed and blamed.
 

woolfe9999

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Curiously, a search using google news with child pornography and the photographers name or the name plus "Capitol police" is lacking evidence of the claim regarding child pornography. If you can find a credible source I'd like to see it, but so far it's blogs and agenda oriented "news" that claims this to be true.

I'm finding the allegation credible. If you read the description below, it gives the name of the officer who questioned her and even a description of his demeanor. It's hard to believe that someone would make something like this up and be that specific. It's too easily proven false. It could be bull, but I highly doubt it.

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/06/coal-activist-kiddie-porn

It was a point she never got to make: Shortly before she testified, Gunnoe was approached by staffers for Congressman Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.) and told she had to remove the photo from her presentation. She complied, but after testifying was escorted into an empty side room by Capitol Police Special Agent Randall Hayden and questioned for nearly an hour about the photo, which she had gotten the approval of the photographer, the child's parents, and Democratic committee members to use. Gunnoe said Hayden, whom she described as kind and professional, told her the committee believed the photo to be suggestive of child pornography, and that he would be following up on the possibility of her being involved in such illegal activity.

BTW assuming the police don't actually charge her, then they acted appropriately here. They can't ignore a report of possible kiddy porn. They have to question and investigate. It's whoever reported her that is an asshole. Congressman Lamborn seems to be the likely suspect.
 
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piasabird

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A picture of some water in a bathtub is kind of inconclusive. Who knows for sure if that was actual well water? Could people lie or commit fraud? Well lets just say I have some pictures of a UFO I would like to sell you.

Can you say Photoshop? Photo's can be altered you know! It is a bit on the sensational side. Maybe they just dumped some dirt in the water. Well water often gets contaminated. The same thing could happen after a good storm. Any fisherman knows that after a good storm the water looks muddy in any stream. Most city folk may not realize this. This is a case where maybe a junket to the area may be called for. There is nothing like boots on the ground to better understand the problem.

You have to have seen what well water looks like in different locations in the USA to have a perspective. Often well water is not good enough to drink or is hard or full of minerals. Buy some bottled water or find a better source of drinking water. Having lived in locations where people used well water, I have an idea about what is going on. You would be surprised how clean water becomes after running it through a water softener.
 
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piasabird

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My grandmother who had a trailer in southern Missouri had well water and she also collected rain water from her roof in a barrel. She used it to wash her hair. She did not live there it was just a kind of a vacation location out in the woods. Came with a genuine outhouse.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'm finding the allegation credible. If you read the description below, it gives the name of the officer who questioned her and even a description of his demeanor. It's hard to believe that someone would make something like this up and be that specific. It's too easily proven false. It could be bull, but I highly doubt it.

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/06/coal-activist-kiddie-porn



BTW assuming the police don't actually charge her, then they acted appropriately here. They can't ignore a report of possible kiddy porn. They have to question and investigate. It's whoever reported her that is an asshole. Congressman Lamborn seems to be the likely suspect.

That gives more information and it's certainly possible. I like to see something from a more neutral source like NPR but I found nothing so far. It might come out later. For now I'll give it a Mythbusters "plausable".
 

PokerGuy

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Motherjones and commondreams, just a step lower on the believability scale than the inquirer stories about bat boy or alien prophecies.
 

xj0hnx

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It is the only bathing water they have. Don't be such a tool.

That's just retarded. Arsenic laced, brown pollution is not "bathing water", and anyone using it as such is just dumb. If the only water you have is poisoned you just don't bath, I'd rather not bath for a fucking year than put my child in arsenic polluted water, much less dip them in it for a photo op. And I am tempted to call bullshit on it being "the only water they have", how are they still alive is arsenic laced, polluted water is all they have?
 

Ldir

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That's just retarded. Arsenic laced, brown pollution is not "bathing water", and anyone using it as such is just dumb. If the only water you have is poisoned you just don't bath, I'd rather not bath for a fucking year than put my child in arsenic polluted water, much less dip them in it for a photo op. And I am tempted to call bullshit on it being "the only water they have", how are they still alive is arsenic laced, polluted water is all they have?

You can't read very well. They get bottled drinking water from the mining company. That company or one of its bought politicians probably assured residents that brown gunk is perfectly safe for bathing. It lied but they are too poor to move away.
 

xj0hnx

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You can't read very well. They get bottled drinking water from the mining company. That company or one of its bought politicians probably assured residents that brown gunk is perfectly safe for bathing. It lied but they are too poor to move away.

So they got bottled water from the same company dumping pollutants into their water and telling them that the water was safe? :rolleyes:
 

Bowfinger

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So they got bottled water from the same company dumping pollutants into their water and telling them that the water was safe? :rolleyes:

You still can't read. Maybe this story is too hard for you. "Safe" for bathing, not for drinking. The company acknowledges the water is not potable so it provides bottled water. I didn't see this in the article, but presumably they also claimed it is perfectly safe for bathing.

It's even possible they're telling the truth, if there are only trace levels of arsenic and other pollutants. (Though it certainly looks disgusting.) I'd very much like to see a more in depth report. Frankly, it's a crime our Congresscritters seemed to lack similar curiousity and concern for our citizens, but they must have been distracted by those pics of hot, naked girls.
 
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woolfe9999

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And what would you be doing if someone posted a story from Fox News that made liberals look bad? :hmm:

I'd be checking the facts independent from the source. If a source is biased there are usually ways of checking out particular allegations of the source online. It's a copout to just disbelieve the information because the source is biased. Biased sources often tell the truth even if their opinions and conclusions are nonsensical. Sometimes they leave out some of the truth. It's best to check.
 

nehalem256

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You can't read very well. They get bottled drinking water from the mining company. That company or one of its bought politicians probably assured residents that brown gunk is perfectly safe for bathing. It lied but they are too poor to move away.

Safe... maybe. Useful... no.
 

jackstar7

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If this turns out to be the case and a Congressman not only denied the picture, but then took steps towards a kind of retribution, that's pretty disgusting behavior for an elected representative.

I would hope there might be an ethics investigation, but understand the fruitlessness of such a thing. I'd just hope the investigation might dissuade others from similar behavior.
 

SMOGZINN

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Well I dont respect people who use children as hostages to advance their agenda. Which is what liberalism is based off of.

Case in point, hey we have some polluted water lets stick a child in and take a picture!

The children are not being held hostage to advance an agenda. This is the conditions the children live in, and the agenda is to improve those conditions. It is not like they had to import children into this area to take pictures of them in brown water.
 

nehalem256

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The children are not being held hostage to advance an agenda. This is the conditions the children live in, and the agenda is to improve those conditions. It is not like they had to import children into this area to take pictures of them in brown water.

You cant take a bath in brown water. The picture is obviously staged.
 

SMOGZINN

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You cant take a bath in brown water. The picture is obviously staged.

Really? What prevents you from taking a bath in brown water? I'm pretty sure I did it plenty growing up. Of course you can take a bath in brown water. About 2/3rd of the worlds population does.