The Real Iraq? Stuff you may never hear about from the American Media.

[Googer]

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=8735190702796777939&hl=en

 

[Googer]

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-513623689895002924&hl=en

 

[Steeplerot]

Newsflash: Invade someones country people don't take kind to it.

Maybe people should have listened what people said all these years about staying out and how much these people will hate us for acting like idiotic cowboys.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Newsflash: Invade someones country people don't take kind to it.

Maybe people should have listened what people said all these years about staying out and how much these people will hate us for acting like idiotic cowboys.

Take a trip to Iraq and wear some camo. People will randomly walk out on to the street to thank you, shake your hand, and say "god bless you". The news media says one thing but the troops coming home are telling us that opposite of what CNN, NY TIMES, etc are saying.

Iraqi's love us and it's non-iraqi (Muslums/Iranians/Saudi/arab/middle easterners) whom are causing the trouble. We know this because we either capture them alive or we identify their bodies after we kill them. And I don't know about you but I would rather be fighting them in Iraq instead of San Francisco.

Would you like some car bombs going off in your neighborhood?

 

[Steeplerot]

That old neocon lie has been debunked a million times in here.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
That old neocon lie has been debunked a million times in here.

Just ask the people in uniform, because I did. They tell you it's not as bad as the media makes it sound.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
That old neocon lie has been debunked a million times in here.

Just ask the people in uniform, because I did. They tell you it's not as bad as the media makes it sound.

It is all a liberal conspiracy huh? :roll:

Grow a spine already, there are no mooslims under your bed ok?.
Here is a recent poll of Iraqis.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
That old neocon lie has been debunked a million times in here.

Just ask the people in uniform, because I did. They tell you it's not as bad as the media makes it sound.

It is all a liberal conspiracy huh? :roll:

Grow a spine already, there are no mooslims under your bed. :roll:

I sleep on the sofa and theres no room for anyone under it. No it's not a conspricy, just one sided and filtered reporting. Very similar to what happens every day in the middle east.

I encourage you to spend 40minutes and watch one sided arabic reporting. It is very similar to the one sided American reporting.


EDIT:
Do you realize that two differant polls taken at the same time in the same area can yield two differant results? One may say negative and the other may say positive. I take most polls with a grain of salt.

 

[Googer]

As for me, I get my sources from both Al Frankin and Rush Limbaugh. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

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[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Googer

As for me, I get my sources from both Al Frankin and Rush Limbaugh. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

There is your problem there, that stuff is plain hype.

Crossing your street is far more dangerous then any terror threat, no need to go handing osama just what he is going for, a scared american population wanting to do something stupid.

Like I said, don't be another Danger Man], americans are not cowards bending to the will of terrorists.

And anyhow, this islamofascism scaremongering IS mainstream, the freaking president uses it to scare us, how much more mainstream can you get?

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer

As for me, I get my sources from both Al Frankin and Rush Limbaugh. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

There is your problem there, that stuff is plain hype.

Crossing your street is far more dangerous then any terror threat, no need to go handing osama just what he is going for, a scared american population wanting to do something stupid.

Huh? What are you talking about? Is this a personal attack?

Experts say that you have lost the arguement when you start attacking your opponent on a personal level and not his his issues. You should attack my point of view and not my personality. Nice to see you may have conceited defeat so darn early.

I buy you a :beer:. Peace my friend.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer

As for me, I get my sources from both Al Frankin and Rush Limbaugh. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

There is your problem there, that stuff is plain hype.

Crossing your street is far more dangerous then any terror threat, no need to go handing osama just what he is going for, a scared american population wanting to do something stupid.

Huh? What are you talking about? Is this a personal attack?

Experts say that you have lost the arguement when you start attacking your opponent on a personal level and not his his issues. You should attack my point of view and not my peronality. Nice to see you may have conceted defeat so darn early.

I buy you a :beer:. Peace my friend.

And to your also, was not meaning to attack you personally, but try to look at things in perspective through all the islamofascism fearmongering hype, this is a dangerous world, and there is nothing more dangerous and irresponsible then someone who loses their cool over their own shadows.

This type of fearmongering is exactly what they want, osama even said he wants to fear us into being stupid and bankrupting us, just like they did the soviets in the 80's.

Don't play into it, and don't support folks who want to make it worse, we already made a huge mistake invading iraq, and it will take a cool head and well thought out plans to get us out of it now that the damage is done.

Cheers to you also. :beer:

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer

As for me, I get my sources from both Al Frankin and Rush Limbaugh. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

Like I said, don't be another Danger Man], americans are not cowards bending to the will of terrorists.

And anyhow, this islamofascism scaremongering IS mainstream, the freaking president uses it to scare us, how much more mainstream can you get?

I hardly see things in this manner. Nice try.

http://www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/WFC/TMW09-27-06.jpg

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer

As for me, I get my sources from both Al Frankin and Rush Limbaugh. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

There is your problem there, that stuff is plain hype.

Crossing your street is far more dangerous then any terror threat, no need to go handing osama just what he is going for, a scared american population wanting to do something stupid.

Huh? What are you talking about? Is this a personal attack?

Experts say that you have lost the arguement when you start attacking your opponent on a personal level and not his his issues. You should attack my point of view and not my peronality. Nice to see you may have conceted defeat so darn early.

I buy you a :beer:. Peace my friend.

And to your also, was not meaning to attack you personally, but try to look at things in perspective through all the islamofascism fearmongering hype, this is a dangerous world, and there is nothing more dangerous and irresponsible then someone who loses their cool over their own shadows.

This type of fearmongering is exactly what they want, osama even said he wants to fear us into being stupid and bankrupting us, just like they did the soviets in the 80's.

Don't play into it, and don't support folks who want to make it worse.

Are you suggesting that Islamic Extremeists are peace loving individuals? In your opinion what do you think of those who behead, suicide bomb, and kill in the name of Allah? What do you think of Sharia Law, is it something that we should implement here in America? Also do you know what a Fascist is?

Not all muslums are bad people. The majority of the Iranian Population is Pro-American and are good decent people that want peace. I want peace and the majority of the Middle East wants it too, but sometimes it does not come easy. You must stop those (like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) who try to get in the way of peace.

 

[Googer]

Again Please watch this fourty minute video. It is the stuff the American Media cuts out. It's full clips in their full context. Please take the time to learn something new. Please!!!!

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-513623689895002924&hl=en

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Googer


Are you suggesting that Islamic Extremeists are peace loving individuals? In your opinion what do you think of those who behead, suicide bomb, and kill in the name of Allah? What do you think of Sharia Law, is it something that we should implement here in America? Also do you know what a Fascist is?

Not all muslums are bad people. The majority of the Iranian Population is Pro-American and are good decent people that want peace. I want peace and the majority of the Middle East wants it too, but sometimes it does not come easy. You must stop those (like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) who try to get in the way of peace.

All extremists are trouble, but as far as being surprised at the depth of their anger, not at all, what did people expect?

Same crap would be going on here w/ christian whackos if the mideast invaded us, religion is just an excuse to build hate regardless of your geographic location or book.

And the "media" has long overplayed the "islamofascism" fearmongering, it is getting old, the preisdent does it, cheney does it, fauxnews trys to fear people endlessly, conservative bloggers always harping on the evils of muslims gunning for some stupid holy war, this is not some big secret, it is about as mainstream as you can get.

Freaking limbaugh coined the term islamofascism years ago, rush is not some underground figure, far from it.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer


Are you suggesting that Islamic Extremeists are peace loving individuals? In your opinion what do you think of those who behead, suicide bomb, and kill in the name of Allah? What do you think of Sharia Law, is it something that we should implement here in America? Also do you know what a Fascist is?

Not all muslums are bad people. The majority of the Iranian Population is Pro-American and are good decent people that want peace. I want peace and the majority of the Middle East wants it too, but sometimes it does not come easy. You must stop those (like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) who try to get in the way of peace.

All extremists are trouble, but as far as being surprised at the depth of their anger, not at all, what did people expect?

Same crap would be going on here w/ christian whackos if the mideast invaded us, religion is just an excuse to build hate regardless of your geographic location or book.

And the "media" has long overplayed the "islamofascism" fearmongering, it is getting old, the preisdent does it, cheney does it, fauxnews trys to fear people endlessly, conservative bloggers always harping on the evils of muslims gunning for some stupid holy war, this is not some big secret, it is about as mainstream as you can get.

You still did not answer my questions.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Googer
What do you think of Sharia Law, is it something that we should implement here in America?

Never was up for debate, we are in no way even a muslim country and I do not see us ever being one, this is in the paranoid realm here and not really worth even debating.

Originally posted by: Googer
do you know what a Fascist is?

I am very aware of the many faces of hardline right wing thinking.

Originally posted by: Googer
You must stop those (like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) who try to get in the way of peace.

So you want a war with Iran? When did they attack us? Guess I missed the news, Iranian government has major beef with us, and some of it for good reason, but like others with a big mouth looking for attention, don't feed the troll, he is a whacko in a world full of them, you cannot stop them all and Iran has not attacked anyone for ages, just not feeling the mainstream paranoia you are. That area of the world is in major turmoil, a lot of it is our fault, iranians will vote him out when the time is right, but having america threatening them will do nothing less then drive them into the arms of a bigmouth who makes them feel as he will protect them.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer
What do you think of Sharia Law, is it something that we should implement here in America?

Never was up for debate, we are in no way even a muslim country and I do not see us ever being one, this is in the paranoid realm here and not really worth even debating.

Originally posted by: Googer
do you know what a Fascist is?

I am very aware of the many faces of hardline right wing thinking.

Originally posted by: Googer
You must stop those (like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) who try to get in the way of peace.

So you want a war with Iran? When did they attack us? Guess I missed the news, Iranian government has major beef with us, and some of it for good reason, but like others with a big mouth looking for attention, don't feed the troll, he is a whacko in a world full of them, you cannot stop them all and Iran has not attacked anyone for ages, just not feeling the mainstream paranoia you are.

Where did I say that I wanted a war with Iran? Their beef with the USA is based on extreme religeous views.


They say Coca-Cola, Pepsi, and Tommy Hillfiger are agents of Saitan and that those companies are financing a campaigning a Jihad against Islam. Those companies are in America and therefore they must be supported by our govrment. Please watch this video



I guess you still have not watched this whole video.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-513623689895002924&hl=en

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer
What do you think of Sharia Law, is it something that we should implement here in America?

Never was up for debate, we are in no way even a muslim country and I do not see us ever being one, this is in the paranoid realm here and not really worth even debating.

Originally posted by: Googer
do you know what a Fascist is?

I am very aware of the many faces of hardline right wing thinking.

Originally posted by: Googer
You must stop those (like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) who try to get in the way of peace.

So you want a war with Iran? When did they attack us? Guess I missed the news, Iranian government has major beef with us, and some of it for good reason, but like others with a big mouth looking for attention, don't feed the troll, he is a whacko in a world full of them, you cannot stop them all and Iran has not attacked anyone for ages, just not feeling the mainstream paranoia you are.

Where did I say that I wanted a war with Iran? Their beef with the USA is based on extreme religeous views.


They say Coca-Cola, Pepsi, and Tommy Hillfiger are agents of Satan and that those companies are financing a campaigning a Jihad against Islam. Those companies are in America and therefore they must be supported by our govrment. Please watch this video



I guess you still have not watched this whole video.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-513623689895002924&hl=en

And the american mainstream media say stupid lies that actually get us into real wars. Whats new? I am more concerned with our problems here, we have no business being involved in those peoples issues. If they think pepsi is some satanic thing then good for them, they can boycott it, more mountain dew for me.

Why would I care that egypt is giving some greedy corporation bad PR?

I did watch that google video, and the guy stated he was a conservative, and not a journalist, that pretty much sums it up besides the typical fear mongering that followed.

Islamic extremists, Christian extremists both gunning for a war trying to scare folks with reactionary garbage, imo they both suck and I fail to see much difference.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Googer
What do you think of Sharia Law, is it something that we should implement here in America?

Never was up for debate, we are in no way even a muslim country and I do not see us ever being one, this is in the paranoid realm here and not really worth even debating.

Originally posted by: Googer
do you know what a Fascist is?

I am very aware of the many faces of hardline right wing thinking.

Originally posted by: Googer
You must stop those (like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) who try to get in the way of peace.

So you want a war with Iran? When did they attack us? Guess I missed the news, Iranian government has major beef with us, and some of it for good reason, but like others with a big mouth looking for attention, don't feed the troll, he is a whacko in a world full of them, you cannot stop them all and Iran has not attacked anyone for ages, just not feeling the mainstream paranoia you are.

Where did I say that I wanted a war with Iran? Their beef with the USA is based on extreme religeous views.


They say Coca-Cola, Pepsi, and Tommy Hillfiger are agents of Satan and that those companies are financing a campaigning a Jihad against Islam. Those companies are in America and therefore they must be supported by our govrment. Please watch this video



I guess you still have not watched this whole video.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-513623689895002924&hl=en

And the american mainstream media say stupid lies that actually get us into real wars. Whats new? I am more concerned with our problems here, we have no business being involved in those peoples issues. If they think pepsi is some satanic thing then good for them, they can boycott it, more mountain dew for me.

Why would I care that egypt is giving some greedy corporation bad PR?

I did watch that google video, and the guy stated he was a conservative, and not a journalist, that pretty much sums it up besides the typical fear mongering that followed.

Islamic extremists, Christian extremists both gunning for a war trying to scare folks with reactionary garbage, imo they both suck and I fail to see much difference.

You missed the main point and passed it off because he was open and said he has a political view. Watch it for the clips. Iranian TV cutting the eyes out of children for the sake of spreading mis-truth and propaganda. You may have watched the first 2 minutes but I doubt you finished it or watched it with out skipping throught it.

We need to stop their propaganda machine in order to protect ourselves.

Whats new? I am more concerned with our problems here

Problems that arise overseas have an effect on us. Ignoring them does not help them go away. The world ignored Hitler in the late 1920's and early 1930's and as a result we ended up with World War II in 1938/1941. Ignoring other peoples negative intentions twords us and our allies leads to greater problems later on. They say in their own words and language they want us destroied and turning a blind eye will lead to serious consequences.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Newsflash: Invade someones country people don't take kind to it.

Maybe people should have listened what people said all these years about staying out and how much these people will hate us for acting like idiotic cowboys.

Take a trip to Iraq and wear some camo. People will randomly walk out on to the street to thank you, shake your hand, and say "god bless you". The news media says one thing but the troops coming home are telling us that opposite of what CNN, NY TIMES, etc are saying.

Iraqi's love us and it's non-iraqi (Muslums/Iranians/Saudi/arab/middle easterners) whom are causing the trouble. We know this because we either capture them alive or we identify their bodies after we kill them. And I don't know about you but I would rather be fighting them in Iraq instead of San Francisco.

Would you like some car bombs going off in your neighborhood?

Complete and utter BULLSH*T

That's proof right there you have no f*cking clue as to what you're talking about. Iraqis ARE Muslims and Middle Easterners and Arabs.

BTW, when's the last time an Iraqi attacked the US homeland, eh? HMMM???


:roll:


OMG...I had to stop that video after the 1st min. What complete and utter HOGWASH!

Jesus Christ that was pathetic. Have you no idea that much of that ballyhooed "elite special forces" are infiltrated by militia members? And, about those schools, how many kids, esp. the girls, are kidnapped on the way to those schools? Do you know 3,709 civilians were killed last month alone???

Oh, and here's some real Iraqi sentiment:


IRAQ TO AMERICA: GET OUT....
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_11/010269.php

PIPA has released a new poll of Iraqi attitudes toward the U.S. occupation, and the takeaway is very, very clear: they want us to leave. 74% of Shiites and 91% of Sunnis want us to leave within a year (the number is 80% for Shiites in Baghdad). By wide margins, both groups believe U.S. forces are provoking more violence than they're preventing, and both groups believe that day-to-day security would improve if we left. Support for attacks on U.S. forces now commands majority support among both Shiites and Sunnis. And none of this is because of successful al-Qaeda propaganda: 94% of Iraqis continue to disapprove of al-Qaeda.

Now, it may be that these views are misguided. But it hardly matters: it's simply not possible for us to occupy the country successfully if a majority of Iraqis actively support attacks on our troops and a vast majority think we're responsible for the rising violence. It's time for us to leave.

The report summary is here. The full report is here.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Googer

We need to stop their propaganda machine in order to protect ourselves.

I agree, but first lets start with one we can actually stop, ours.

Originally posted by: Googer
Problems that arise overseas have an effect on us. Ignoring them does not help them go away. The world ignored Hitler in the late 1920's and early 1930's and as a result we ended up with World War II in 1938/1941. Ignoring other peoples negative intentions twords us and our allies leads to greater problems later on. They say in their own words and language they want us destroied and turning a blind eye will lead to serious consequences.

More fearmongering, let me guess they are storming the beaches of Virginia as we speak to cut our heads off and plant an islamic flag on top of the white house. OMG, BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN! :roll:

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Newsflash: Invade someones country people don't take kind to it.

Maybe people should have listened what people said all these years about staying out and how much these people will hate us for acting like idiotic cowboys.

Take a trip to Iraq and wear some camo. People will randomly walk out on to the street to thank you, shake your hand, and say "god bless you". The news media says one thing but the troops coming home are telling us that opposite of what CNN, NY TIMES, etc are saying.

Iraqi's love us and it's non-iraqi (Muslums/Iranians/Saudi/arab/middle easterners) whom are causing the trouble. We know this because we either capture them alive or we identify their bodies after we kill them. And I don't know about you but I would rather be fighting them in Iraq instead of San Francisco.

Would you like some car bombs going off in your neighborhood?

Complete and utter BULLSH*T

That's proof right there you have no f*cking clue as to what you're talking about. Iraqis ARE Muslims and Middle Easterners and Arabs.


:roll:

Wrong. The Saudi's are Arabs and Muslums. The Iraqi's are Christians, Muslums, and Jews (very few jews left) and are also Arabs. The Egyptinas are are Arabs. You are getting religeous identity mixed with ethnicity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab

Arab- A Large Ethnic Group that is then further sub-divided. Similar to saying Indo-European then sub dividing it in to German, French, English, Polish, etc.

Muslum is a Religeous Identity. Similar to saying You are a Chistian or Jew from Poland. You are Both a Pol and a Jew/Christain.

After that there are sub branches of Muslum (Sunni, Shiite,etc) in the same way are sub brances of Christians (Catholic, Baptist, Menonite, etc). Those sub branches of each repective religeon have at one point or another through history been in conflict with each other.



Next time make sure you know the differance between an Arab and a Muslum. They are two differant things like Cats and Cars.

 

[conjur]

Thanks for proving yet again you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about. Hell, you even debunked yourself! :laugh:

Oh, and good job ignoring the rest of my post.