The rats are leaving the ship! Stupak to follow Stevens out the door.

[ProfJohn]

Add another seat to the Republican tally for the Nov elections.

Bart Stupak, the deciding vote on healthcare, has decided to retire rather than face certain defeat this fall.

Of course Stupak says that his leaving has nothing to do with his chances in the fall etc etc etc. But considering the amount of heat he has been facing since the vote I am sure that had more to do with it than anything else.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100409/ap_on_el_ho/us_stupak_retiring

 

[nakedfrog]

You're funny.

 

[sandorski]

Sometimes doing the Right thing has negative consequences.

 

[Lemon law]

Don't read too much into the Stupack decision. It comes in time for the D'd to get behind a successor, and especially if the R's run someone to far to the right, The D's have a solid chance of retaining the seat.

Even if maybe 15% of the country is hyperspastically opposed to health care reform, the general public is majority in favor.

 

[Moonbeam]

Don't read too much into the Stupack decision. It comes in time for the D'd to get behind a successor, and especially if the R's run someone to far to the right, The D's have a solid chance of retaining the seat.

Even if maybe 15% of the country is hyperspastically opposed to health care reform, the general public is majority in favor.

Thanks Lemon, that fucker ProfJohn almost made me shit in my pants. God, I got scared.

 

[OCGuy]

November can't come soon enough.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

I know a single person that is for health care reform.






Just kidding. I do not know a single one.

 

[Throckmorton]

I know a single person that is for health care reform.






Just kidding. I do not know a single one.

You know ignorant people.

 

[shadow9d9]

People retiring! Vindication!(for crazies)

 

[CrackRabbit]

November can't come soon enough.

No it can't, until then I get to listen to you people bitch and moan about the goddamn health care bill that has already been signed into law. And gloat when someone who you don't agree with decides to retire.
And then if things don't go your way in November (which is a 50/50 chance right now) you will bitch and moan more about how your side should of taken power and the American people are idiots for choosing someone else.
THEN you get to bitch and moan even more about how the other side is continuing to ruin the country.

Shut up already, you may enjoy your echo chamber but the rest of us don't.

 

[nakedfrog]

I know a single person that is for health care reform.






Just kidding. I do not know a single one.

You don't know ONE person that supports health care reform in ANY way? I don't think you know anyone, or at least anyone that has to go to the doctor ever.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You don't know ONE person that supports health care reform in ANY way? I don't think you know anyone, or at least anyone that has to go to the doctor ever.

I do. Too bad we didn't get a well thought out plan.

 

[highland145]

All upside for him. 18 years of "service" gets him a paycheck ($175K) for life. Congressional health insurance for life (not the system the lowly public will be subjected to). Time with the family( may not be a plus).

If I had mean thoughts and a wand, I'd post his name in place of the baby that got his testicles eaten by the dogs. That would be a plus for the baby.

 

[hal2kilo]

Don't read too much into the Stupack decision. It comes in time for the D'd to get behind a successor, and especially if the R's run someone to far to the right, The D's have a solid chance of retaining the seat.

Even if maybe 15% of the country is hyperspastically opposed to health care reform, the general public is majority in favor.

Actually, it won't be that easy for a real Democrat to win. They have to find another DINO to run in that district.

 

[nakedfrog]

I do. Too bad we didn't get a well thought out plan.

Couldn't agree more, but it doesn't seem like we get much in the way of well thought out legislation in this day and age.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Couldn't agree more, but it doesn't seem like we get much in the way of well thought out legislation in this day and age.

Look at what happened in this forum and consider it a microcosm of the mentality in DC.

Their was more glee with sticking it to the Reps than concern about doing it right. We had the "well we aren't satisfied with it, but it's something" people. Nevermind what that "something" was (and virtually no one wanted to understand the downside of whatever "it" was because only one or two had an understanding of the financials, and fewer still what health care reform was needed).

When revenge and staying in power is more important than quality, then we've reached the end of government being useful. It merely exists to keep a two horse race in the form of Reps and Dems perpetually running.

There is no alternative, and we're satisfied with that as a people.

Democracy, even in the form of a representative republic is an illusion.

 

[nakedfrog]

Look at what happened in this forum and consider it a microcosm of the mentality in DC.

Their was more glee with sticking it to the Reps than concern about doing it right. We had the "well we aren't satisfied with it, but it's something" people. Nevermind what that "something" was (and virtually no one wanted to understand the downside of whatever "it" was because only one or two had an understanding of the financials, and fewer still what health care reform was needed).

When revenge and staying in power is more important than quality, then we've reached the end of government being useful. It merely exists to keep a two horse race in the form of Reps and Dems perpetually running.

There is no alternative, and we're satisfied with that as a people.

Democracy, even in the form of a representative republic is an illusion.

That about sums it up.
I voted third-party, for all the difference it makes (and I'm still disappointed the new AT has no :lol: )

 

[Lemon law]

" Originally Posted by Hayabusa Rider View Post
I do. Too bad we didn't get a well thought out plan."

Couldn't agree more, but it doesn't seem like we get much in the way of well thought out legislation in this day and age.

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But we can now ask, why we did not get a better thought out plan. As for me I blame the R's and the dino's, and instead we got this slow unwieldy ugly camel instead of a race horse because a camel is more full of more acceptable compromises to a committee. It may not be a race horse that a well thought out plan was, but the R's refused the initial well thought out plan. But we must ask, what is better, having a camel, or having nothing at all?

The old plan we were riding was a very old Turkey that was horrible and failed. At least now we can hope we can later fix the Camel and get a race horse too, but riding the Turkey our old system was simply was not working. That system died of cost over runs and inequities 30 years ago.

Given my choice of riding a dead turkey or a camel, I will take the camel any day. But to pretend the desired race horse was going to be fathered by a Turkey, is a plan only fools can endorse.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Look at what happened in this forum and consider it a microcosm of the mentality in DC.

Their was more glee with sticking it to the Reps than concern about doing it right. We had the "well we aren't satisfied with it, but it's something" people. Nevermind what that "something" was (and virtually no one wanted to understand the downside of whatever "it" was because only one or two had an understanding of the financials, and fewer still what health care reform was needed).

When revenge and staying in power is more important than quality, then we've reached the end of government being useful. It merely exists to keep a two horse race in the form of Reps and Dems perpetually running.

There is no alternative, and we're satisfied with that as a people.

Democracy, even in the form of a representative republic is an illusion.

Considering that most Republicans added little to the debate other than ranting about "death panels" and socialism I am surprised they didn't have more people wanting to "stick it to them".
Adding ideas and counter balancing a debate is fine, but simply being obstructionist for the sake of being obstructionist is stupid.

 

[Linflas]

Considering that most Republicans added little to the debate other than ranting about "death panels" and socialism I am surprised they didn't have more people wanting to "stick it to them".
Adding ideas and counter balancing a debate is fine, but simply being obstructionist for the sake of being obstructionist is stupid.

Republicans have put forth a number of ideas regarding health care reform. The fact that they were ignored does not mean they do not exist. I realize the Democrat talking points continue to be "party of no" and "Bush did it" but I think you may be surprised just how many people see through this nonsense in November.

 

[Fern]

Considering that most Republicans added little to the debate other than ranting about "death panels" and socialism I am surprised they didn't have more people wanting to "stick it to them".
Adding ideas and counter balancing a debate is fine, but simply being obstructionist for the sake of being obstructionist is stupid.

Could you guys on the left please get your stories straight?

Obama claimed the HC bill was bipartisan because it included 161 Repub amendments.

Your saying the Repubs did nothing much except ranting etc.

Well, which is it?

Fern

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

It'll be "the Republicans had nothing to do with it" up until it proves to be a massive failure, and then it'll be "Bush did it."

 

[Throckmorton]

Republicans have put forth a number of ideas regarding health care reform. The fact that they were ignored does not mean they do not exist. I realize the Democrat talking points continue to be "party of no" and "Bush did it" but I think you may be surprised just how many people see through this nonsense in November.

LOL, "ignored". The Republican ideas are in the legislation.... From the mandate, to banning abortion coverage, to preexisting conditions. The bill is more Republican than Democrat, being almost an exact match to the Republicans' 1993 plan.

 

[Throckmorton]

Could you guys on the left please get your stories straight?

Obama claimed the HC bill was bipartisan because it included 161 Repub amendments.

Your saying the Repubs did nothing much except ranting etc.

Well, which is it?

Fern

Are you that dumb? They got what they wanted, and continued to rant and demonize the bill. Now they're claiming they were shut out of debate, which is a blatant lie.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I don't blame Stupak for leaving with all the ugliness that got sent his way. I doubt he has any desire to stay in DC any more, let alone go though another election after that. Good job reichwingers, when you can't win on ideas and substance, just browbeat the competition into retiring.