My point wasn't that there can't possibly be a reason to vote for the guy, it's that 99% of the pro-McCain commentary is of the anti-Obama variety. It's like 2004 with the sides reversed.
My point wasn't that there can't possibly be a reason to vote for the guy, it's that 99% of the pro-McCain commentary is of the anti-Obama variety. It's like 2004 with the sides reversed.
McCain is the only one with a complete energy plan. McCain wants to do a combination of everything from drilling to alternatives like nulcear/solar/wind. Obama only wants to do alternatives that pass the test of his envirmentalist friends along with inflating tires and tune ups. Obama's energy plan will lead to 10 dollar a gallon gas and a colapse of the economy. I can not vote for any one who is against drilling/nuclear/clean coal/NG.
UberNeuman
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True - and the Republicans have had their run - and have failed...
and in the end, they still want more of what hasn't worked and keep looking for anything to avoid their policies didn't work out the way they thought it would...
A Dogma broken.........
Yeh, it's very important that, when referring to an increasingly scarce and valuable resource, oil, we should suck ours out of the ground and blow it out our tailpipes as quickly as possible...
Our grandchildren? Screw 'em...
Collapse of the economy? Wake up! We've already been set up for a big fall by our cut taxes, deregulate finance, export jobs and borrow as much money as possible friends in the repub party...
Can you say snakebit? Or just blame the people who told you not to play with the snakes in the first place?
UberNeuman
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You seem to be looking at it as a ship that needs to keep veering right...
I look at it as a ship that needs to veer left for a while to correct the course...
Getting caught on the jagged rocks doesn't move anyone forward...
Excuse me but if you believe in Alternative energy what do you care about Oil for your grandchildren? Obviously they will be running on some kind of clean alternative energy right?
I havent checked but is Obama really against Coal liquification and nuclear energy?
So if he has such a great energy plan, why doesn't he RUN ON IT? As I said above, my comment wasn't inviting you guys to come out of the woodwork and post about why you support McCain, but the fact that you did only amplifies what I was really trying to say...why do comments like yours only show up when I specifically ask about it? Unprompted rhetoric in support of McCain, on the other hand, is almost always an Obama bashing fest, from his official campaign down to the blogs and the forums.
Excuse me, but oil isn't just about energy... It's about fertilizer, plastics, rubber, asphalt, fabrics, and other things, I'm sure...
And, uhh, no, our grandchildren won't be entirely free of the usefulness of oil, nor will any alternative energy scheme devised thus far even begin to replace oil entirely... they all require considerably less energy consumption in the aggregate and per person than most people even begin to realize...
Not to mention huge investment in infrastructure to implement them...
Which is all way OT, anyway...
The whole idea that Obama is a muslim, socialist, arrogant, frency elitist is laced with racist overtones. None of these charges have an ounce of credibility. They are simply trying to paint him as the "other", and scare enough Americans into not voting for him. Its typical 21st century Republican style politics, run to the lowest common denominator and stay there. Hopefully Americans won't fall for this idiotic stuff. The McCain camp doesn't have anything to say but ridiculous spurious attacks.
I don't think it will work but I think that it is his only shot at pulling this election off. Very few people are comfortable voting for McCain. His only hope is to get more people to vote against Obama than for Obama. The chattering class is right this time. These type of attacks are going to be a referendum on Obama.
Break it down into the subgroups. There is the group solidly for Obama and most of his support is quite solid. They'll come out.
There are the core Conservatives. They usually vote and they follow things. They are overrepresented as the polls "likely voters". But they are not excited about McCain. How do you get them to the polls? Get them outraged about Obama. Or scared. Whatever so that they say that McCain is at least no Obama and we gotta stop Obama.
There are those who are for McCain but are not the core. These voters are not solid for McCain. If they get comfortable with Obama they can switch.
The swing voters. They all say that they hate negative campaigning but they always swing because of it. If they get comfortable imaging Obama as Commander in Chief, if they start to identify with Obama's story of growing up as the son of an immigrant, raised by a single Mom, and succeeding in the classic American archetype, if they start to feel that Obama shares their values and understands their struggles, then McCain has no chance whatsoever. His team has to throw whatever they can to make that not happen.
Portraying Obama's success as a result of the "l'brul media's" shoving him down their throats, The "race card", sowing doubts about his abilities, making people question if they really wouldn't feel more comfortable without such a change after all, is the only chance that they got.
how do you figure? other than muslim (which I haven't seen any major republican charge), the exact same things were said about Kerry.
I have seen just as much bashing from the obama side. You just choose to ignore it that is all. The Obama supporters were ruthless to the Hillary supporters online. I see plenty of Obama supporters bash McCain all over the internet.
McCain is running on his energy policy why do you think the polls are remotely close? Obama got the most votes ever in a primary season. McCain is from the same party as one of the most unpopular presidents ever. The economy is in the toilet and McCain has a horrible staff. With all that McCain is close because of the energy issue people want cheaper gas and don't care how it happens. People want a complete energy plan that McCain has to offer. Almost 75% of the popluation want the drilling bans lifted.
UberNeuman
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I don't expect him too, why would he? Why would either of them? The socialists, gun-grabbers will vote for Obama and the Bible-Bangers, Racists will vote for McCain.
Nobody gives a shit. This is politics.
If McCain were in the running for a head coaching position and his main selling point is that he's going to use the same basic game plan as the coach who just got fired for having strung together two humiliating losing seasons in a row, who the hell in their right mind would hire the guy?
And if Mccain the coach candidate is saying that he's the right guy for the job because he and his coaching staff can sling mud and cast dispersions and innuendo better than the other guy then what idiot is going to base their selection on that?
Basically, this is all what the McCain camapign is doing at the moment. If they continue to keep their eyes shut continually swing away at the empty spot of air where Obama was standing till November, then McCain is going to get his thoroughly humiliated ass handed to him, or whatever's left of it.
Let's face it, McCain is once again the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's as if he was chosen as a sacrificial goat rather than a likely successor to the White House.
Poor guy.
And if Mccain the coach candidate is saying that he's the right guy for the job because he and his coaching staff can sling mud and cast dispersions and innuendo better than the other guy then what idiot is going to base their selection on that?
Basically, this is all what the McCain camapign is doing at the moment. If they continue to keep their eyes shut continually swing away at the empty spot of air where Obama was standing till November, then McCain is going to get his thoroughly humiliated ass handed to him, or whatever's left of it.
Let's face it, McCain is once again the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's as if he was chosen as a sacrificial goat rather than a likely successor to the White House.
Poor guy.
OK. Let me make this crystal clear for you: North Carolina Republican Party is affiliated with the national GOP. Moveon.org is not affiliated with the Democratic Party. Obama has no control over what they do.
Sometimes I get this impression too. It is sad. On the other hand, it's also pretty amazing we have a president as unpopular as this one, a candidate who has clearly said he supports this failure of a president and used him at a fundraiser, and he's still within 5% already.
Thump553
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Excellent post, BMW540I6Speed (at the top of this page). There is more critical analysis in that one post than all the talking heads at CNN, FoxNews and MSNBC collectively spout in a whole day's worth of broadcasting.
Personally I think a huge mountain is being made out of a funny little self-effacing joke.
It's sad that the McCain campaign has already reached the point where it's best strategy is to go negative (and frivilously so) rather than push the issues and platforms that their guy stands for. The fact that they have done so at such an early stage illustrates their desperation.
Personally I think a huge mountain is being made out of a funny little self-effacing joke.
It's sad that the McCain campaign has already reached the point where it's best strategy is to go negative (and frivilously so) rather than push the issues and platforms that their guy stands for. The fact that they have done so at such an early stage illustrates their desperation.
Heh, I've been voting for 25 yrs and I've never heard of a candidate being criticized for acting "presidential" until a black man ran for the office.
The "overtones" are aplenty in that Britney/Paris add. Unless you don't think there is a segment of the voting population that will see that add and paint Obama as an uppity black man who is after young slutty rich white women. Again, lets run to the lowest common denominator and stay there.
1. No, I haven't seen news reports where (D)'s are claiming McCain is ineligible to be president because of his residency. If you have a credible source please link it.
2. McCain is old. In fact, he's very old. Given his age his health and mental capacity are damned relevant to his ability to hold the position of POTUS.
3. McCain has voted to support GWB's policies in the past and continues to support them so the comparisons to GWB are valid.
You're right about the last part. This campaign has proven that McCain is willing to compromise his integrity. :laugh:
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