The R600 isnt great in DX9

[Soccerman06]

But we have yet to see how it performs in DX10, maybe Im just ignorant and havent spent time looking for DX10 reviews, but dont completely bash the card until you all see the performance in DX10 (it may win yet!).

just a thought

 

[Pugnate]

DX10 performance is just the icing on the cake. The meat of it is DX9. Most games from today till 2 years will be DX9. When there are actual DX10 games to play, you will have far better cards. So sorry.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
But we have yet to see how it performs in DX10, maybe Im just ignorant and havent spent time looking for DX10 reviews, but dont completely bash the card until you all see the performance in DX10 (it may win yet!).

just a thought

What DX10 benchmarks are you talking about? Enlighten me on how you think the R600 might be better in DX10 if you don't even know what the G80 performs in?

 

[Matt2]

Doesnt matter how it performs in DX10 IMO.

By the time we get DX10 games en masse, the card will be well beyond it's useful life.

People are buying G80 for it's DX9 performance, not DX10.

 

[Keysplayr]

He doesn't know. He's just trying to look on the bright side, even if there isn't any bright side 'cept maybe price cuts.

 

[Munky]

I'll wait for more reliable benches from other sources before passing judgement on how badly the r600 performs. But even if it's good at DX10, that doesn't mean the g80 will be bad at DX10 unless the g80 has some design flaw that makes it perform much slower (like the fx series and dx9).

 

[sandorski]

It might pwn in DX10, but that's not going to sell cards at this time when DX9 games are all that's available. It's possible that ATI made a conscious decision to sacrifice DX9 performance in the short term in order to have a superior DX10 product in the longterm, but I dunno, just kinda trying to make sense out of the situation.

 

[terentenet]

There was some Nvidia demo for G80 & Vista, the one with the cascade stuff. That's the only DX10 I've seen so far. Yes, 70% of the market buy the G80 for it's current performance in DX9.
By the time DX10 comes in force with nice titles (Crysis, Alan Wake, etc) new boards with more performance will be out and our current 8800GTXs and HD2900XT/XTX will be considered old tech.

 

[mazeroth]

Originally posted by: terentenet
There was some Nvidia demo for G80 & Vista, the one with the cascade stuff. That's the only DX10 I've seen so far. Yes, 70% of the market buy the G80 for it's current performance in DX9.
By the time DX10 comes in force with nice titles (Crysis, Alan Wake, etc) new boards with more performance will be out and our current 8800GTXs and HD2900XT/XTX will be considered old tech.

Can you confirm your 70%? Because I would have said something along the lines of, oh, 99%.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: sandorski
It might pwn in DX10, but that's not going to sell cards at this time when DX9 games are all that's available. It's possible that ATI made a conscious decision to sacrifice DX9 performance in the short term in order to have a superior DX10 product in the longterm, but I dunno, just kinda trying to make sense out of the situation.

Or it could be just a bad driver issue.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Matt2
Doesnt matter how it performs in DX10 IMO.

By the time we get DX10 games en masse, the card will be well beyond it's useful life.

People are buying G80 for it's DX9 performance, not DX10.

bingo

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: sandorski
It might pwn in DX10, but that's not going to sell cards at this time when DX9 games are all that's available. It's possible that ATI made a conscious decision to sacrifice DX9 performance in the short term in order to have a superior DX10 product in the longterm, but I dunno, just kinda trying to make sense out of the situation.

Or it could be just a bad driver issue.

Possibly, but I'd think AMD/ATI would have emphasized immaturity of the Drivers if that was the case.

 

[jpeyton]

Someone on XS is claiming the XTX holds a few FPS advantage in Crysis using DX10, citing development sources.

Crysis in DX9 is in favor of the GTX though.

 

[BFG10K]

I'll wait for official reviews before passing final judgment on the R600.

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Someone on XS is claiming the XTX holds a few FPS advantage in Crysis using DX10, citing development sources.

Crysis in DX9 is in favor of the GTX though.

Of course by the time Crysis comes out, Nvidia will have its next generation card out, maybe the next two generations will be out by then.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Someone on XS is claiming the XTX holds a few FPS advantage in Crysis using DX10, citing development sources.

Crysis in DX9 is in favor of the GTX though.

Of course by the time Crysis comes out, Nvidia will have its next generation card out, maybe the next two generations will be out by then.

nVidia is going to release two new generations of product by Q3 2007?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I'll wait for official reviews before passing final judgment on the R600.

my thoughts exactly, we still know next to nothing about IQ and actual street prices

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Pugnate
DX10 performance is just the icing on the cake.

Yeah, if the cakes tastes like poo, who cares how sweet the frosting is.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I'll wait for official reviews before passing final judgment on the R600.

my thoughts exactly, we still know next to nothing about IQ and actual street prices

I'm seeing some X1950 Pro on sale "while quantities last" so I kind of suspect a R600 is going to replace it. Perhaps it will be the R630. I kind of hope they won't raise the price then though. Who knows, maybe I should buy a X1950 Pro right now since I'm not upgrading to Vista just now anyway. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, the long 2 week wait to see what will happen. Will it all drive us mad? :Q

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
maybe Im just ignorant and havent spent time looking for DX10 reviews

What DX10 reviews? LOL!

 

[Pugnate]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Pugnate
DX10 performance is just the icing on the cake.

Yeah, if the cakes tastes like poo, who cares how sweet the frosting is.

Man don't ruin chocolate cake for me.

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Someone on XS is claiming the XTX holds a few FPS advantage in Crysis using DX10, citing development sources.

Crysis in DX9 is in favor of the GTX though.

Of course by the time Crysis comes out, Nvidia will have its next generation card out, maybe the next two generations will be out by then.

nVidia is going to release two new generations of product by Q3 2007?

I said maybe, and I also said by the time Crysis comes out. In case you have noticed by now, games don't always come out on time.

 

[Modular]

Originally posted by: WreckageYeah, if the cakes tastes like poo, who cares how sweet the frosting is.

lol

Sigworthy

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: sandorski
It might pwn in DX10, but that's not going to sell cards at this time when DX9 games are all that's available. It's possible that ATI made a conscious decision to sacrifice DX9 performance in the short term in order to have a superior DX10 product in the longterm, but I dunno, just kinda trying to make sense out of the situation.

Or it could be just a bad driver issue.

Possibly, but I'd think AMD/ATI would have emphasized immaturity of the Drivers if that was the case.

Given their recent trumpeting about the superiority of their drivers, especially under Vista I think an excuse of driver immaturity is highly unlikely to be forthcoming (at least until well after all this has blown over and AMD PR thinks we've forgotten the previous claims).

On the subject of drivers 350mb for a driver?!? I could fit nvidia's largest forceware into that, plus "optimized" version of every game binary on my system in that, plus all banchmark binaries and still have space to spare...

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: sandorski
It might pwn in DX10, but that's not going to sell cards at this time when DX9 games are all that's available. It's possible that ATI made a conscious decision to sacrifice DX9 performance in the short term in order to have a superior DX10 product in the longterm, but I dunno, just kinda trying to make sense out of the situation.

Or it could be just a bad driver issue.

Possibly, but I'd think AMD/ATI would have emphasized immaturity of the Drivers if that was the case.

Given their recent trumpeting about the superiority of their drivers, especially under Vista if think an excuse of driver immaturity is highly unlikely to be forthcoming (at least until well after all this has blown over and AMD PR thinks we've forgotten the previous claims).

On the subject of drivers 350mb for a driver?!? I could fit nvidia's largest forceware into that, plus "optimized" version of every game binary on my system in that, plus all banchmark binaries and still have space to spare...

I agree. If this is a driver issue then AMD has blowing smoke up our rear ends for a while now. I just dont think they would be so dumb as to point the finger and laugh at Nvidia for their drivers and then deliver broken drivers 6 months late.