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Originally posted by: NeoV
a few thoughs

I like the intent of this rule - sportsmanship should be a part of what high school athletes learn. There is no reason a high school football team should beat another HS football team 90-0, ever.

For you people saying "but the backups should be able to score a TD as well when it's 45-0" - the backups should have already been in the game, in some cases they should have started the game.

High school football is prone to matchups where you have teams that have no business playing each other - ie the 90-0 game. Don't give me this "play better, suck it up" crap - teams that have spring football, off-season mandatory workouts, etc, etc vs small schools with 30 guys on the football team, etc. They are mismatches, plain and simple - the coaches know going into the game when the matchup is like this, and I don't have a problem letting those coaches know that running up the score won't be tolerated.

However, the execution of this plan is poor at best. The safety issue, having a concrete score in place, etc, etc..too many problems.

Alternatives?

Keep the clock running when the margin is more than 42 pts, first or 2nd half. Don't give me any of this "I've seen 3+ comebacks of 42 pts", no you haven't.

This shortens the game considerably, but play isn't dictated by someone not being 'allowed' to score any more points.

Oh, and for the record, third string players get invaluable experiance playing against other teams, even in blowouts...you just can't mimic 100% game conditions in a practice.
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i agree keep the clock runing and let the 2nd and 3rd string play. if they score another 50 points then that is to bad for the other team.

but ot say they can't cant score and continue to play at full speed (again with 2nd and 3rd string) is nuts. give everyone on the the team a chance to play in a game setting.
 
Originally posted by: NeoV
a few thoughs

I like the intent of this rule - sportsmanship should be a part of what high school athletes learn. There is no reason a high school football team should beat another HS football team 90-0, ever.

For you people saying "but the backups should be able to score a TD as well when it's 45-0" - the backups should have already been in the game, in some cases they should have started the game.

High school football is prone to matchups where you have teams that have no business playing each other - ie the 90-0 game. Don't give me this "play better, suck it up" crap - teams that have spring football, off-season mandatory workouts, etc, etc vs small schools with 30 guys on the football team, etc. They are mismatches, plain and simple - the coaches know going into the game when the matchup is like this, and I don't have a problem letting those coaches know that running up the score won't be tolerated.

However, the execution of this plan is poor at best. The safety issue, having a concrete score in place, etc, etc..too many problems.

Alternatives?

Keep the clock running when the margin is more than 42 pts, first or 2nd half.
PIAA already implements the never stopping clock mercy rule, as do most state athletic associations.

Don't give me any of this "I've seen 3+ comebacks of 42 pts", no you haven't.
Blairsville Bobcats vs Marion Center Stingers, 1995
Haltime Score 7-42, Final Score 56 - 49, I was on the team as a student coach

This shortens the game considerably, but play isn't dictated by someone not being 'allowed' to score any more points.

Oh, and for the record, third string players get invaluable experiance playing against other teams, even in blowouts...you just can't mimic 100% game conditions in a practice.
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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: NeoV
a few thoughs

I like the intent of this rule - sportsmanship should be a part of what high school athletes learn. There is no reason a high school football team should beat another HS football team 90-0, ever.

For you people saying "but the backups should be able to score a TD as well when it's 45-0" - the backups should have already been in the game, in some cases they should have started the game.

High school football is prone to matchups where you have teams that have no business playing each other - ie the 90-0 game. Don't give me this "play better, suck it up" crap - teams that have spring football, off-season mandatory workouts, etc, etc vs small schools with 30 guys on the football team, etc. eep the clock running and still come oThey are mismatches, plain and simple - the coaches know going into the game when the matchup is like this, and I don't have a problem letting those coaches know that running up the score won't be tolerated.

However, the execution of this plan is poor at best. The safety issue, having a concrete score in place, etc, etc..too many problems.

Alternatives?

Keep the clock running when the margin is more than 42 pts, first or 2nd half. Don't give me any of this "I've seen 3+ comebacks of 42 pts", no you haven't.

This shortens the game considerably, but play isn't dictated by someone not being 'allowed' to score any more points.

Oh, and for the record, third string players get invaluable experiance playing against other teams, even in blowouts...you just can't mimic 100% game conditions in a practice.
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i agree keep the clock runing and let the 2nd and 3rd string play. if they score another 50 points then that is to bad for the other team.

but ot say they can't cant score and continue to play at full speed (again with 2nd and 3rd string) is nuts. give everyone on the the team a chance to play in a game setting.
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I agree. This isnt about players learning how to lose at all. This is about sportsmanship. Third string should get to play in the game but the coach shouldnt be allowed to wait until its 65-0 in the 4th quarter. A good coach would pull the starters after a 3 or 4 TD lead. Its easy to tell early on if there is going to be a trouncing.
 
if you're kicking that much ass, of course you put in the 3rd/4th/Xth string.. but if they still score... what more can you actually do besides telling your players to purposefully lose the ball (which is even more demeaning)?
 
oh get off it, this rule is dumb. You can beat a team 90-0 and still exhibit great sportsmanship. Some parent (probably from the losing side) whined to some council/board member and got this rule put in place. What's the difference if a couch puts in his 3rd stringers/cheerleaders at the end of the half up 21-0 and finish the game 90-0, then any other team getting beat 90-0, if both situations had players exhibiting great sportsmanship? I played HS baseball and we scrimaged against Riverdale Baptist (a super baseball HS) and we were getting our asses whooped 9-3 after 2 innings (no mercy rules for scrimages)! Good sportsmanship was exhibited by both sides. They were simply a better team then us, final score was like 20 - 5.
 
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: NeoV
a few thoughs

I like the intent of this rule - sportsmanship should be a part of what high school athletes learn. There is no reason a high school football team should beat another HS football team 90-0, ever.

For you people saying "but the backups should be able to score a TD as well when it's 45-0" - the backups should have already been in the game, in some cases they should have started the game.

High school football is prone to matchups where you have teams that have no business playing each other - ie the 90-0 game. Don't give me this "play better, suck it up" crap - teams that have spring football, off-season mandatory workouts, etc, etc vs small schools with 30 guys on the football team, etc. eep the clock running and still come oThey are mismatches, plain and simple - the coaches know going into the game when the matchup is like this, and I don't have a problem letting those coaches know that running up the score won't be tolerated.

However, the execution of this plan is poor at best. The safety issue, having a concrete score in place, etc, etc..too many problems.

Alternatives?

Keep the clock running when the margin is more than 42 pts, first or 2nd half. Don't give me any of this "I've seen 3+ comebacks of 42 pts", no you haven't.

This shortens the game considerably, but play isn't dictated by someone not being 'allowed' to score any more points.

Oh, and for the record, third string players get invaluable experiance playing against other teams, even in blowouts...you just can't mimic 100% game conditions in a practice.
Click to expand...


i agree keep the clock runing and let the 2nd and 3rd string play. if they score another 50 points then that is to bad for the other team.

but ot say they can't cant score and continue to play at full speed (again with 2nd and 3rd string) is nuts. give everyone on the the team a chance to play in a game setting.
Click to expand...


I agree. This isnt about players learning how to lose at all. This is about sportsmanship. Third string should get to play in the game but the coach shouldnt be allowed to wait until its 65-0 in the 4th quarter. A good coach would pull the starters after a 3 or 4 TD lead. Its easy to tell early on if there is going to be a trouncing.
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oh i disagree with the 3 or 4 TD lead. but if it is 50-0 at halftiem put 2nd string in for the 3rd then the 3rd for the 4th.

heck when i played football in highschool there was a few times we were down 28-0 at halftime and came back to win. (usually after we got the couch's son out as QB).
 
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
if you're kicking that much ass, of course you put in the 3rd/4th/Xth string.. but if they still score... what more can you actually do besides telling your players to purposefully lose the ball (which is even more demeaning)?
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This is why this rule is flawed and Although I believe they are doing this for the right reasons I don't believe that this is the best implementation as like you have mentioned a coach should never be put in a position to tell his players to start throwing the game. Coaches scout teams before they play each other so one coach running up the score with his starters still on the field is deserving of some sort of suspension but having the hard rule be 50 points or whatever is not the way to do it.
 
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