the price of xp

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
And you might call me ethnocentric, but I firmly believe that the world is not going to converge on a standard that will prevent the USA from participating in any area, much less tech.

I disagree. The US is so far behind in the technology field it'll take years to catch up. If the rest of the world continues moving as fast as they are, we won't ever catch up.

 

[Megatomic]

In what area? We export our OS, we export our computers, we export our chips. The US developed the internet and the WWW. Windows and Unix were invented here. So were microprocessors.

What are we behind in? How is my counterpart in Germany better off than I am in technology?

 

[Megatomic]

Oh yeah, and let's not forget about other science. Check out the right sidebar, background color is purple.

Now I'm sure for every point I bring up you can match me, but that just proves my point (I believe). The USA is out there with the rest of the world trying to make stuff happen. We aren't being left behind.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
In what area? We export our OS,

An OS from Japan (IIRC) is installed on more computers than Windows is.

we export our computers, we export our chips.

China is making processors, and I'm sure plenty of little chips are getting made in foreign countries. Everytime there is a qake in taiwan ram prices go through the roof.

The US developed the internet and the WWW.

WRONG. IIRC, the WWW was invented in Swizerland under CERN. They used a NeXT machine to develop it.

Windows and Unix were invented here. So were microprocessors.

What are we behind in? How is my counterpart in Germany better off than I am in technology?

Germany has no import nor export laws on cryptography. There is a small group of people in China breaking algorithms left and right. Japan's 3g(?) cellphone technology is out of this world. The words "Taiwan" or "China" exist on probably most of my computer hardware.

EDIT: Fixed some formatting.

 

[Megatomic]

They are all just working off our designs. But you might be right about the WWW and CERN.

Speaking of which, the high speed testing by CERN and SLAC are fvcking amazing. I wonder how many years until we see the benefit of the new technology? (SLAC is the USA btw)

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
They are all just working off our designs.

China is notorious for stealing US technology and making it work.

But you might be right about the WWW and CERN.

I'm definitely right. I double checked my facts before posting.

Speaking of which, the high speed testing by CERN and SLAC are fvcking amazing. I wonder how many years until we see the benefit of the new technology? (SLAC is the USA btw)

This is out of my area. The rest of our technology is probably fine, but in hardware and software we're getting our butts handed to us. (my opinion only)

 

[Nothinman]

And I can't remember seeing any game software that was written for an OS other than windows.

Everything id produces. The prereleased of Quake and Q3 were out for Linux first because id does internal development on Linux, if you remember the Windows version of q3atest took weeks to come out after the Linux version.

I know you said you weren't terribly concerned with games, so which software is being written ONLY for linux by foreign programmers that concerns you?

Everything for Linux is developed around the world, if the US were to sink into the ocean it would have very little impact on Linux and most free software. One big thing off the top of my head is the AMD64 port and libata core are maintained by a SuSe employee in Germany. Debian alone seem to have just as many, if not more, developers in europe as there are in the US: http://www.debian.org/devel/developers.loc

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I'm definitely right. I double checked my facts before posting.

A bad habit of mine, IRL I'm typically right. And for the record, I don't consider reverse engineering and modifying existing work to be innovative.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I'm definitely right. I double checked my facts before posting.

A bad habit of mine, IRL I'm typically right. And for the record, I don't consider reverse engineering and modifying existing work to be innovative.

I'd say they're less innovative, but evolve faster.

And the US has almost no chance to get into cryptography. It's sad.

 

[Megatomic]

Is crypto the only area you are concerned with? It would seem the feds have a grasp on crypto, or so it seemed from my own tour of duty within the US military.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Is crypto the only area you are concerned with? It would seem the feds have a grasp on crypto, or so it seemed from my own tour of duty within the US military.

It's one of the easiest to point out. The current government standard wasn't developed in the US.

China will be a big contender soon.

 

[JackMDS]

?If the US were to sink into the ocean?.

In general there would not be Europe and China, but probably only Germany and Japan.

As far as computers goes all the important developing that led to the existence of computers where Developed/Discovered in the US.

Current temporary ?Kinder Garden Fights? are of very little real long term value.

I would never forget the Big fight (here on this BBS, and others) about who ?Rulz? NVIDIA or DFI.

DFI who???

We have many kinds of sneakers out there.

Some Up scaled Sneakers cost more than a basic computer OSs (while probably being designed in the US they are manufactured elsewhere), after using the sneakers for a while they start to smell. They go into the garbage and we are getting New ones.

BTW. Unlike a Sneakers computer OS can not step on a pile of Street Sh*t", at the first time it is used.:shocked:

:sun:

 

[heedoyiu]

many of you guys mention linux and that is very good, linux can be very powerful software yet with so many and very little compat within linux it seems it will be awile before we will see it mainstream, and if we do someone will try to sell it. Yet what you have failed to see is apple. A great os in fact it is better then xp. although i am not sure of its sales overseas. apple is a great company that delivers great products, china ant got nothin of that or ibms servers.