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The Price of Protectionism

Stunt

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As many of you have read, I am 100% indifferent when it comes to outsourcing and advocate free trade (lack of protectionism) at every turn. This article written by the head of Canadian economics and chief strategist at Merryl Lynch captures my exact views on the matter.

He actually goes as far as saying that the United States isn't doing enough to increase trade relations with China. While most Americans are becoming patriotic against China (both sides, i see it in here all the time), it will have a significant impact on America by ignoring and resisting the Chinese economy.

The Price Of Protectionism
by David Wolf | On Engaging China
More interaction with China makes sense for reasons that go beyond the benefits of unfettered trade.
2005-11-07

There are, broadly speaking, three ways firms and policy-makers can react to the emergence of China and other rapidly developing economies in Asia--ignore it, shut it out, or engage it. No points for guessing which strategy is likely to work out best.

Ignoring China's emergence is likely to work about as well as it generally does to shut one's eyes and pretend something potentially unpleasant isn't there.

Shutting it out, as many strident voices in the U.S. government in particular have threatened, is not likely to work much better. History has shown time and again that protectionism is at best a short-term fix, coming at great longer-term economic cost. As Fed chairman Greenspan warned the Congress earlier this year at hearings on China, "any significant elevation of tariffs that substantially reduces our overall imports, by keeping out competitively priced goods, would materially lower our standard of living. A return to protectionism would threaten the continuation of much of the extraordinary growth in living standards worldwide, but especially in the United States, that is due importantly to the post-World War II opening of global markets. Such an initiative would send the adverse message to our trading partners that the United States, while accepting the benefits of broadened world trade, is not willing to absorb the structural adjustments that are often necessary."

Superficially, the emergence of China has put at least as much economic pressure on Canada as on the United States to put up that kind of shield. Canada's trade deficit with China, as a share of our economy, is as big as the States' (1.4% of GDP in 2004). And while the Americans' complaint about the Chinese currency is that it hasn't risen by as much as it "should" against the U.S. dollar, the renminbi has actually depreciated substantially against the Canadian dollar (by 25% since the beginning of 2002), compromising Canada's relative competitive position that much further. Yet Canada appears to have been a lot more successful in resisting the protectionist instinct. The policy debate in Canada has been far more about how to increase trade with China than how to reduce it, sending an important signal to the private sector to get on with the business of adapting to the changing competitive environment--a signal that companies like those featured in this issue are evidently getting loud and clear.

Engaging China makes sense beyond the usual economic arguments in support of unfettered trade. A former colleague of mine has a favourite saying: "With every pair of hands comes a mouth." China's impact right now may be largely in supplying us with cheap manufactured goods, but the country's growing income earned from that production will ultimately translate into demand for goods and services more broadly; our opportunity to satisfy that growing demand will doubtless depend importantly (as Greenspan might say) on how we treat the Chinese at this sensitive stage of their economic development.

And embracing China as a market makes sense for Canada from a diversification perspective as well. With the United States buying 82% of Canada's exports, it is reasonable to say that most of our trade eggs sit in the American basket. That basket has been a fruitful one, to be sure, given the U.S. economy's generally strong and steady growth over the past 15 years. But that growth has increasingly reflected America's spending beyond its means in recent years, with the U.S. current account deficit having risen sevenfold over the past decade to a record $789-billion annual rate through the first half of this year. Most economists agree that U.S. domestic demand will have to slow in the years ahead, certainly relative to the rest of the world.

Now, the U.S. market will probably always be the critical one for Canadian trade, for reasons of geography if nothing else. But that makes it doubly important to reduce our near-exclusive reliance on that market. That need not come via reducing trade with the United States--or playing the dangerous game of threatening to--but rather should be a natural function of Canadians' identifying and vigorously pursuing export opportunities to China and other economies with bright longer-term growth prospects. Put simply, the more we engage these countries' economic development, the more we will be promoting our own.
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imported_Tango

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100% agreed. World changes, and you just cannot try to stop history. Major changes always scare people, because they test knowledge and strategies accumulated for years and require the capacity to improvise and adapt. The point is: there is no way to avoid this anyway, much better to study strategies to make it a soft, peaceful and rewarding transition instead of trying to stop the world from spinning around.
 

imported_Aelius

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You do realize that Communist China would have most likely fallen appart long ago and perhaps may have even had a revolution similar to that of Russia had the West not intervened and opened up markets for their goods.

The Chinese "iron ricebowl" crumbled and the West came to the rescue. Check out the PBS Frontline program on this very subject.

This begs the question why. It sure as heck has nothing to do with spreading Democracy and Freedom in Asia. If they wanted that they would have allowed the Communists to fall to their knees.

My theory is that big business lobbied the White House and saw major dollar signs and billions of dollars in profits to be made. The White House in turn re-packaged the dollar signs into something that the population would be able to stomach. Freedom, Human Rights, and a massive "market" for Western goods. Other Western nations followed suit like sheep.

Hook... Line... Sinker

The end
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Stunt
As many of you have read, I am 100% indifferent when it comes to outsourcing and advocate free trade (lack of protectionism) at every turn.

This article written by the head of Canadian economics and chief strategist at Merryl Lynch captures my exact views on the matter.

He actually goes as far as saying that the United States isn't doing enough to increase trade relations with China. While most Americans are becoming patriotic against China (both sides, i see it in here all the time), it will have a significant impact on America by ignoring and resisting the Chinese economy.

Bunch of bull.

The U.S. is the cash cow for China and India at the expense of it's own health.

That's not protectionism, that's suicide.
 

IronWing

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The counter argument is simple. Protectionism, to large extent, works. US textile mills employed tens of thousands of wokers until import restrictions were lifted. You can argue persuasivly that the production costs were higher and hence prices to the consumer were higher but that may have been an inefficiency worth accepting to keep those jobs in the US.
 

Stunt

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Better trade relations can only help the US at this point Dave...Imagine if you shut yourselves out of the largest population in the world, the second largest economy and emerging superpower.

THAT IS SUICIDE...

Time to take your head out of the sand Dave.
 

Future Shock

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Better trade relations can only help the US at this point Dave...Imagine if you shut yourselves out of the largest population in the world, the second largest economy and emerging superpower.

THAT IS SUICIDE...

Time to take your head out of the sand Dave.

Stunt,
Not to troll (because I am really curious as to your response), but what part of the US will be helped by better trade relations?

1) The US population in terms of jobs and financial security

2) US corporations, who MAY pay taxes in the US and thus indirectly help the US population - or they may file in Bermuda and not pay a dime.

Lastly, what would we lose if we were "shut out" of China, versus what would they lose? They NEED a market for all of those cheap clothes, but as importantly, they need access to our technology and production methods (and capital). We don't NEED the ability to purchase denim jeans at Wal-Mart $5 per pair cheaper, do we?

Future Shock
 

imported_Aelius

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Originally posted by: Future Shock
Originally posted by: Stunt
Better trade relations can only help the US at this point Dave...Imagine if you shut yourselves out of the largest population in the world, the second largest economy and emerging superpower.

THAT IS SUICIDE...

Time to take your head out of the sand Dave.

Stunt,
Not to troll (because I am really curious as to your response), but what part of the US will be helped by better trade relations?

1) The US population in terms of jobs and financial security

2) US corporations, who MAY pay taxes in the US and thus indirectly help the US population - or they may file in Bermuda and not pay a dime.

Lastly, what would we lose if we were "shut out" of China, versus what would they lose? They NEED a market for all of those cheap clothes, but as importantly, they need access to our technology and production methods (and capital). We don't NEED the ability to purchase denim jeans at Wal-Mart $5 per pair cheaper, do we?

Future Shock

Supposedly the US kept afloat by loans taken out from Asian nations who buy US dollars.

I'm sure someone else here knows how the scheme works exactly. I don't. Either way it seems to me that if we pulled the plug on 3rd world nations that are not even close to a democracy the US would fall into yet another depression which is supposed to be worse then the one before. Nobody wants to see that on either side for various reasons. House of cards and all that.

Although I'm sure at some point it will become profitable to see another depression where the few will have the cash to buy out technically profitable (yet cash strapped) companies by the dozens for pocket change. Just like what happend last time. That's only my theory tho.