The President of Spokane NAACP is white? Update* NAACP is ok with it.

[tynopik]

It's hard for me to see how that would be correct. Background is where you are from, identity is what you identify as.

Background is what leads to your current cultural identity. The history of black people in America definitely shapes who they are today. Without that background they wouldn't be who they are.

Thus background is a critical and inextricable part of your cultural identity, and to try to separate it is meaningless.

It's very simple: if she says she's black, she's black, with all the 'background' and 'cultural history' and 'heritage' that go with that.

 

[fskimospy]

Background is what leads to your current cultural identity. The history of black people in America definitely shapes who they are today. Without that background they wouldn't be who they are.

Thus background is a critical and inextricable part of your cultural identity, and to try to separate it is meaningless.

It's very simple: if she says she's black, she's black, with all the 'background' and 'cultural history' and 'heritage' that go with that.

Not sure what else to say other than "no, I disagree".

If I decided to identify as black tomorrow instead of white, my background would not change although my racial identity would.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's very simple: if she says she's black, she's black, with all the 'background' and 'cultural history' and 'heritage' that go with that.

No, you are delusional.

How she views herself and "identifies" is pretty much up to her, there is no objective measure on that. However, if the position specifically asks for her ethnicity (which is not the same as "how she views herself"), then saying she is African-American is a lie.

To take it a step further, there are government agencies that have regulations about doing a certain percentage of business with minority owned businesses. If it was as easy as "I am whatever I say I am", then anyone would qualify for those, and there would be no point in those regulations.

Beyond just the lies about her ethnicity, based on the story they have plenty of grounds to fire her just for lying to everyone anyway (code of conduct).

 

[Mursilis]

She made an affirmative statement, so the burden of proof would be on her. I'm quite confident that we all have SOME level of African ancestry in us, considering mankind is originally from Africa, but that's pretty obviously not what she was saying.

How can you be so sure?

 

[IronWing]

I'm considering outing

Spoiler

eminem

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We also need to expand the ^_^ category.

 

[inachu]

Is there evidence that she doesn't have any African DNA? Have you ever seen the PBS show, Finding Your Roots, by Henry Louis Gates where they break down the guests heritage by DNA? It's amazing how many countries, cultures, races, .etc that you would never have expected to have mixed that typically make up a modern American. Gates himself, being black, was shocked to learn of his Irish and other European blood.

The founding member of the NAACP is jewish.

 

[fskimospy]

How can you be so sure?

You think she marked down that she had black american ancestry because all humans descend from africa? If so, that's a pretty obvious attempt to deceive.

I don't really want to get into this any further, it just seems like there's a decent case that she was not honest in her dealings with the NAACP, so firing her seems just fine.

 

[senseamp]

It's discrimination, IMO.

 

[inachu]

How can you be so sure?

There is a video on youtube of a geneticist who wondered about his family tree and he finally found time for a vacation so he can go hunt for his dna relatives.

He took him all over europe and eventually he did arrive in Africa.

He found his DNA brother in Africa.

Even though he is 100% european/white and his DNA African brother is 100% black. The funny part was the picture they took together.

They almost looked like twins. Same nose and same eyes and same smile.
Same body type.

The only difference was skin color and hair. Wish I made that my wallpaper.

 

[tynopik]

No, you are delusional.

How she views herself and "identifies" is pretty much up to her, there is no objective measure on that. However, if the position specifically asks for her ethnicity (which is not the same as "how she views herself"), then saying she is African-American is a lie.

As a black woman she is qualified for any job a black woman would be.

To try to say 'well, you weren't always a black woman so you aren't a true black woman' is flat out discriminatory and wrong.

And if that's what they're using that question as, a litmus test for a 'real' black woman, then they are going to lose and lose badly in court because by its very nature it discriminates against trans-racial people.

 

[IronWing]

As a black woman she is qualified for any job a black woman would be.

To try to say 'well, you weren't always a black woman so you aren't a true black woman' is flat out discriminatory and wrong.

And if that's what they're using that question as, a litmus test for a 'real' black woman, then they are going to lose and lose badly in court because by its very nature it discriminates against trans-culturalists.

Interesting. So if I would like to claim veteran status because I sort of feel like a veteran today I could do that even though I've never been in the military? Could I then use my newly declared veteran status to head down to the VA clinic for some free medical care? I've got the buzz cut and have been role playing an Army Ranger (BJ Blazkowicz) for decades so I'm practically a career combat vet.

 

[Mursilis]

There is a video on youtube of a geneticist who wondered about his family tree and he finally found time for a vacation so he can go hunt for his dna relatives.

He took him all over europe and eventually he did arrive in Africa.

He found his DNA brother in Africa.

Even though he is 100% european/white and his DNA African brother is 100% black. The funny part was the picture they took together.

They almost looked like twins. Same nose and same eyes and same smile.
Same body type.

The only difference was skin color and hair. Wish I made that my wallpaper.

Genetics is some pretty funny stuff. My not-of-the-same-race wife got pretty tired early on getting asked if she was the nanny/babysitter when she was out in public with our biological children. Only one of the four really looks much like her race.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I remember a want ad was posted looking for a female woman from Africa who can speak swahili and be African.

She met the requirements on paper and when she was hired they found out she was really a blonde white Afrikaner who spoke fluent Swahili.

They could not deny her the job by law.

It would be illegal both under federal law and the human rights act of just about any state to make the applicant's national origin a job prerequisite. You can't lawfully make being African a job requirement.

 

[PokerGuy]

As a black woman she is qualified for any job a black woman would be.

To try to say 'well, you weren't always a black woman so you aren't a true black woman' is flat out discriminatory and wrong.

And if that's what they're using that question as, a litmus test for a 'real' black woman, then they are going to lose and lose badly in court because by its very nature it discriminates against trans-racial people.

lol, you are indeed delusional. Here, back in the real world, you can't just say "I am what I say I am". It's not that anyone is saying "she wasn't always a black woman" . That's simply not relevant, nor is how she wants to "identify" herself. She lied about her ethnic background.

Again, if you think you are whatever you claim you are, then explain to me how policies to promote minority owned businesses work? Can't anyone just say "I'm <insert group here>"?

 

[fskimospy]

And if that's what they're using that question as, a litmus test for a 'real' black woman, then they are going to lose and lose badly in court because by its very nature it discriminates against trans-racial people.

There is no court precedent that I am aware of that prohibits discrimination against transgender or transracial people. While maybe there should be, there isn't. While discriminating against her based on her race might be a tough slog, discriminating against her for lying on her application isn't.

In my estimation from the information we have now any lawsuit she tries to file will be tossed quickly.

 

[Blanky]

Not sure what else to say other than "no, I disagree".

If I decided to identify as black tomorrow instead of white, my background would not change although my racial identity would.

Your racial identity would change but your race wouldn't; you would be biologically white as she is.

 

[fskimospy]

It would be illegal both under federal law and the human rights act of just about any state to make the applicant's national origin a job prerequisite. You can't lawfully make being African a job requirement.

Legal question for you: aren't there exceptions that are made for places like Hooters, where they can choose to only hire women as waitresses because that's what their business is centered around?

I'm not sure that would apply here, but could a case also be made in some circumstances that a certain national origin or experience was central to the job at hand and therefore a trait that could be hired on?

 

[Homerboy]

The founding member of the NAACP is jewish.

Sammy Davis Jr. was Jewish too.

 

[IronWing]

It would be illegal both under federal law and the human rights act of just about any state to make the applicant's national origin a job prerequisite. You can't lawfully make being African a job requirement.

Tue. I don't have an issue with a white woman leading an NAACP chapter. If she's doing a good job the rest is inconsequential. I do have an issue with tynopik's "reality is what you decide it is, moment by moment" approach to reality. It breaks open the crypts of human stupidity sealed by the enlightenment.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I guess Howard University will use this to show they're diverse as she's one of a few white women who's received their Master's Degree there.

 

[fskimospy]

Your racial identity would change but your race wouldn't; you would be biologically white as she is.

Race is a social construct, so it's really whatever we say it is. It is not biological in origin.

Great example is Italians. They are considered white now, but for many many years they were not. Biologically Italians haven't changed, but they went from nonwhite to white.

 

[JimKiler]

How do i get invited to the thanksgiving dinner between this African American woman and her caucasian (non Hispanic) parents now that they outed her?

 

[LegendKiller]

If Bruce Jenner can call himself a woman and get moronic amounts of adoration and acclaim for being "brave" and "heroic" by the pc police, then this woman should be their hero also.

Let the liberals and pc police swallow the poison pill they have created. Anybody can identify themselves as being anything now and we all must accept it for fact. If a man can use a woman's bathroom because he identifies as a woman, then this woman can be naacp national president. She should be afforded all legal protection and affirmative action under law.

Anybody who disagrees is a bigot.

 

[Subyman]

I agree with eskimospy in the legal sense. If her parents are correct and she came from a completely white background then the checkbox on the application form could be considered fraud. However, I wouldn't be surprised if a psychologist could get her out of that depending on the exact wording of the form.

My question would be if she actually was harassed for being black. The lie about her son is also huge. If she has been passing off her black brother as her son, then that goes to show her true character. She is willing to do just about anything to perpetuate her identity including lying.

The tie between Caitlyn and this lady is curious and IMO the media needs to tread lightly here. If they focus on the fraud and not on the identity then they are A-OK, but this lady shouldn't be bashed for identifying as black. She may very well have been persecuted in the past as a black individual.

 

[Subyman]

If Bruce Jenner can call himself a woman and get moronic amounts of adoration and acclaim for being "brave" and "heroic" by the pc police, then this woman should be their hero also.

Let the liberals and pc police swallow the poison pill they have created. Anybody can identify themselves as being anything now and we all must accept it for fact. If a man can use a woman's bathroom because he identifies as a woman, then this woman can be naacp national president.

Anybody who disagrees is a bigot.

The difference is that Caitlyn never passed herself off as a women to seek employment. There is also the part about the son/brother. Caitlyn is brave for coming out freely and pushing gender issues. This lady may have wrapped herself in lies. It is strange though because changing race is not socially acceptable like trans-gender stuff, so you could say this lady is on the forefront. Really tough call here IMO.