The Porn Myth

[welst10]

I woke up and this is the 1st thing I read. Actually not a bad article at all.

"Greater supply of the stimulant equals diminished capacity." Sounds like very true.

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Bottom line is that women are never happy with a given situation. I think their ability to sustain vital functions of living such as breathing and a heart beat are a systemic extension of their need to find something wrong with their current situation.

If a woman were truely satisfied, it would be like matter and anti-matter colliding together. It's like dividing by zero. If they have nothing to bitch about then they will just stop living. Or something.

yeah, no shit. "omg!!! her piece of carbon set in gold is so much larger than mine!!!"

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Edit: Oh great. Here comes nested quote hell again... morons :|


She writes very well, ain't bad looking, and is 90% correct. No doubt she colors her hair, which bugs me. Why can't people just be themselves, and act their age?

I think if people would quit pretending to be something they're not, we'd have a lower divorce rate. Think that's a stretch? Well, if you get together with another person who is totally up front, there won't be any bad surprises later. Seems like more and more, people are playing games, putting up facades and the physical fakery is just another manifestation of that.

Bottom line is, be yourself. Good, bad, or ugly, at least people will like (or dislike) you for who you really are.

heh, the net effect of being truthful is that the marriage rate will drop significantly. who wants to marry a couch potato or slob?

 

[Alphathree33]

(Random site note: I hit 'r' to reply to this thread because I thought I was using gmail.)

I don't know what particular problem this author has, but any woman who wants to get laid who isn't fat (and she isn't fat) can get laid very, very easily.

True, if I see a girl with a short skirt and long, fit, tanned legs, I know that me and twelve thousand other guys want to do her.

But if I see lean girl with a cute face, and the author is one, although she's a bit older, I know that she only has to fend off a few hundred guys.

Any attractive girls I talk to -- moderately attractive girls -- tell me they get asked out once a week, if not more. Their major problems is turning guys down.

I would argue that sexual liberation is hard on guys more than anyone. Whereas previously we could see marriage in a sort of traditional way, now we have to play the game. Women used to have only a few options and had little ability to use their looks as power. Now they actively use their looks for power. They've gone from a public, universally available institution to a privately held corporation looking to maximize profit. If you can't afford it, you're out of luck.

 

[Ornery]

"...who wants to marry a couch potato or slob?"

Thing is, once you're married, and revert to your true ways, it's over anyway. Why go through all that? Never ceases to amaze me when I hear of people having marital problems. He's out with his friends all the time, or she's never happy, or too high maintenance. Well, are you telling me they're different now from when you were dating? You know damn well they aren't, whether they were attempting to pull the wool over your eyes or not. People really don't change, but they sure as hell try to fake it!

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: Doboji
Very interesting article.... however... I think she misunderstands where this not measuring up phenomenon comes from. We live in a society that worships beautiful women. Beauty in females is the ultimate lottery ticket... you can have no talent, or intelligence, and beauty will get you by, and likely to riches.

Every television show, every movie, every ad, even news casters, and waitresses, are all the most beautiful women the industries can find. This certainly plagues the minds of all men. We percieve women as a sliding scale from Roseanne to Angelina. Porn is almost an exception... the women of porn are not up to par with the women of the big screen.

Furthermore the damaged psyche of women in our society is caused more by themselves then by men. Take the fashion industry for example.. no self respecting straight man ever thought of Kate Moss as being the ideal women. And yet women convinced themselves through magazines etc, not only that Moss was the ideal, but that men wanted women like her. We men aren't looking for posts, in fact I would think more men like a slightly plump woman than like a post thin woman. But somehow women are unaware of this.

Yes are expectations are damaged by this societal trend... I am a perfect example... the woman who I am in love with, is not a supermodel... and somewhere in the back of my mind I feel cheated, because Angelina Jolie has always been my fantasy... however... it isn't porn doing the damaging...

Porn is simply an extension of the male fantasy... only a fool would think we don't fantasize about exactly the same thing, with or without actually seeing Jenna Jameson.
-Max

Your scale is really short.

does that mean you think that roseanne is hot, or that Angelina is not?

Roseanne is not ugly, just obese (and yes, personally that turns me way off) ... there are a hell of a lot of IRL women who are less desirable and just plain uglier (or fatter) than roseanne.

The really disturbing thing is that these people somehow continue to breed. If they would just have the self-control and determination to not bear children, the human race would be so much more attractive.

A 38 year old woman who used to work at my place of employ, who has beady eyes, mushroom colored skin, and weighs something in the neighborhood of 280 lbs while being 5 feet in height, and has been on welfare probably since birth, a vicious accent, rampant self-righteousness, and hair as tall as she is, has recently announced that she is pregnant.

By a married man with 3 kids of his own, who I must assume have fewer teeth between them than this woman does.

And this kid will grow up, hit puberty about age 7, and have even more kids.

If you ask me, we need to saturate this country with so much hardcore fetishistic porn that no man (regardless of his own physical attributes) will ever feel the desire to breed with anything less attractive than Roseanne.

How can you say this? I am disgusted... why should ugly people not breed? they want sex just as much as anyone else... they want children just as much as everyone else. And there is nothing that says ugly fat people contribute any less to society than thin pretty people. Your attitude is absolutely sickening. Just because you find someone less pleasing to your eyes doesnt mean they should be treated as less than human, and shouldn't be entitled to pursue happiness like everyone else.

-Max

Ugly obese people should breed. They should just do it in some place like kentucky or idaho, far away from those of us who actually care about our appearance.

If they could just stop breeding for one generation, we could do the whole world a big favor.

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Edit: Oh great. Here comes nested quote hell again... morons :|

eat-a-bag-a-dicks

 

[gopunk]

whatever i've looked at and watched porn since i was 10, and surprise i'm still able to have a normal relationship. she did a few interviews and came up with some subjective interpretations of the results, big whoop.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

That's a great article.

For me to poop on.

</Triumph>

- M4H

 

[rgwalt]

I think that much of what the article has to say is true. Sex has become more recreational and less meaningful, but this has been going on for awhile. It started in the 60's and 70's, and the trend has continued. I don't know that it is a direct effect of porn, but I doubt that porn has helped.

naked is not enough; you have to be buff, be tan with no tan lines, have the surgically hoisted breasts and the Brazilian bikini wax?just like porn stars. (In my gym, the 40-year-old women have adult pubic hair; the twentysomethings have all been trimmed and styled.)

Men suffer the same problems though... we are expected to be tan, buff, hairless, and 8" long. Not everyone can live up to these expectations. That being said, there is nothing wrong with trimming pubic hair if you plan on engaging in oral sex. It just keeps things clean. Also, there is nothing wrong with oral sex (in regards to the "other orifaces" remark). If both parties enjoy the act, while they may not enjoy it simultaneously, I see no problem with it. Whatever floats your boat, as long as it is intimate. Sex is supposed to be intimate. You should talk and laugh with your partner in bed, along with the other stuff. It is part of sharing yourself completely and enjoying yourself with another human being with whom you have a connection.

R

 

[StormRider]

For some reason I think oral is okay but I think porn has a very unhealthy obsession with anal sex. When I was young, I didn't see much porn with anal sex.

But now I'm seeing scenes that depict acts that I'm sure normal people don't do (like a penis in the butt and then it directly goes to the woman's mouth). There is no way you can convince me that normal girls want to perform such an act and it is pleasurable to them.

So, for me, the question is: "Why does porn show so many acts that normal women probably don't find pleasurable?"

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: StormRider
For some reason I think oral is okay but I think porn has a very unhealthy obsession with anal sex. When I was young, I didn't see much porn with anal sex.

But now I'm seeing scenes that depict acts that I'm sure normal people don't do (like a penis in the butt and then it directly goes to the woman's mouth). There is no way you can convince me that normal girls want to perform such an act and it is pleasurable to them.

So, for me, the question is: "Why does porn show so many acts that normal women probably don't find pleasurable?"

Well porn makes everything look like it feels good... It doesn't take much though to realize that what looks like fun on film is NOT fun in practice. Although... I have met women who say they actually enjoy anal.... so ya never know.

-Max

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: HotChic
Not entirely a load of crap - you can be in a perfectly decent relationship and know it isn't true in your case, but still have that "measure up" feeling.

Measure up feeling? You're right, its not like we aren't put to that test in every single thing we do involving relationships and otherwise. That feeling would be there without porn. The only way it would be gone is if you were the only woman on earth and all images of other women were destroyed.

I've noticed that a lot of guys assume all men are like them - women-gawking, porn-guzzling, cheating SOBs - and that women should just grow up and get over it. I think a lot of gals may believe the same thing. There are portions of the male population who aren't like that, and portions of the female population who don't believe it, but I don't think you can blame the women who stay in crappy relationships any less than you can blame the men who think that males can't treat or view women any better than they themselves do.

I can. And I do. The only reason men keep doing that sh|t is because they can. If all, or even most, women stopped putting up with it, instead of basically asking for it, the phenomenon would cease to be. If women demanded only men who dyed their ass baby blue...give it 10 years and all men would have baby blue asses. There's a reason nice guys don't get many chicks, most chicks don't want them.

Men were dicks 1000 years ago before porn came into being. Well before it became mainstream. Nothings changed.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Doboji
Very interesting article.... however... I think she misunderstands where this not measuring up phenomenon comes from. We live in a society that worships beautiful women. Beauty in females is the ultimate lottery ticket... you can have no talent, or intelligence, and beauty will get you by, and likely to riches.

Every television show, every movie, every ad, even news casters, and waitresses, are all the most beautiful women the industries can find. This certainly plagues the minds of all men. We percieve women as a sliding scale from Roseanne to Angelina. Porn is almost an exception... the women of porn are not up to par with the women of the big screen.

Furthermore the damaged psyche of women in our society is caused more by themselves then by men. Take the fashion industry for example.. no self respecting straight man ever thought of Kate Moss as being the ideal women. And yet women convinced themselves through magazines etc, not only that Moss was the ideal, but that men wanted women like her. We men aren't looking for posts, in fact I would think more men like a slightly plump woman than like a post thin woman. But somehow women are unaware of this.

Yes are expectations are damaged by this societal trend... I am a perfect example... the woman who I am in love with, is not a supermodel... and somewhere in the back of my mind I feel cheated, because Angelina Jolie has always been my fantasy... however... it isn't porn doing the damaging...

Porn is simply an extension of the male fantasy... only a fool would think we don't fantasize about exactly the same thing, with or without actually seeing Jenna Jameson.

-Max

Well said, and agreed. It just boogles my mind how there has to be some grand scheme or something by men to undermine women's expectations in themselves. We didn't invent the fashion industry...we hate it! And I think most men don't want a 7ft tall amazon who pukes her lunch up as the ideal girlfriend. We keeps saying you look fine...we fvcking mean it!

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"...who wants to marry a couch potato or slob?"

Thing is, once you're married, and revert to your true ways, it's over anyway. Why go through all that? Never ceases to amaze me when I hear of people having marital problems. He's out with his friends all the time, or she's never happy, or too high maintenance. Well, are you telling me they're different now from when you were dating? You know damn well they aren't, whether they were attempting to pull the wool over your eyes or not. People really don't change, but they sure as hell try to fake it!

:thumbsup:

Of course. But can you really expect people to not put their best foot forward when they're getting married? I think deep down people know what the other person is really like when they get married. But they love them just enough they delude themselves into thinking that they can either make them change, or they'll just magically change on their own. When that doesn't happen because the world is actually founded in reality, their world comes crashing down and they get their divorce on.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: HotChic

The young women who talk to me on campuses about the effect of pornography on their intimate lives speak of feeling that they can never measure up, that they can never ask for what they want; and that if they do not offer what porn offers, they cannot expect to hold a guy.

Even if you *know* that this isn't true with all guys, I think that you can't help feeling like that at least sometimes as a woman.

Bah, it's a load of crap. A lot of women will say stuff like that and then stay in crappy relationships rather than date a "nice" guy. It seems like a lot of relationships only last when you can make the SO feel inadequate.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm only saying it's sadly true in a lot of cases.

Not entirely a load of crap - you can be in a perfectly decent relationship and know it isn't true in your case, but still have that "measure up" feeling.

yea but you can say the same thing about romantic movies... they make us guys feel like we have to measure up!

 

[Ricochet]

There's some truth to the article. But come on, women shouldn't have trouble measuring up to men's expectation. There are so many "nice guys" out there. Women are always overly-picky and never satisfied. This is just one more thing for them to bitch about.

 

[cheapgoose]

Originally posted by: StormRider
For some reason I think oral is okay but I think porn has a very unhealthy obsession with anal sex. When I was young, I didn't see much porn with anal sex.

But now I'm seeing scenes that depict acts that I'm sure normal people don't do (like a penis in the butt and then it directly goes to the woman's mouth). There is no way you can convince me that normal girls want to perform such an act and it is pleasurable to them.

So, for me, the question is: "Why does porn show so many acts that normal women probably don't find pleasurable?"

I was talking to my boss the other day she told me she was watching this documentry on the porn industry. the highest paying porn scene is the double-anal scene. People are into what they're into. as far as anal goes, there are many reason why a guy would love to stick it in the stink. you're right, it's not something every woman will do, and maybe that's why we want it. I've met girls that are totally into taking it in the butt. if you do it right, it doesn't have to be painful and can be very enjoyable for both parties.

and as far as women feeling they can't ask for what they want in bed, that's their problem. You don't see guys hesitating asking for head or something, it want something done, or done right, you gotta speak up. We can't read minds. and personally, I don't want to try to guess what women want. If a chick doesn't let me know what she wants, then I'll try to bang her like a porn star, 'cause I sure as hell know what I want.

 

[clicknext]

I thought that it was a good article. Being a high school student, I can see that a lot of the problems listed there are indeed present, though I have no idea what it's been like in the past or in other cultures.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

"breach the dike" LOL

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: HotChic

The young women who talk to me on campuses about the effect of pornography on their intimate lives speak of feeling that they can never measure up, that they can never ask for what they want; and that if they do not offer what porn offers, they cannot expect to hold a guy.

Even if you *know* that this isn't true with all guys, I think that you can't help feeling like that at least sometimes as a woman.

define porn star in bed...swallowing, anal? anything else? i dont think guys would really want 2 girls at the same tme. it;s a nice fantasy, but he will probably be afraid of not being able to keep it up.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: HotChic

The young women who talk to me on campuses about the effect of pornography on their intimate lives speak of feeling that they can never measure up, that they can never ask for what they want; and that if they do not offer what porn offers, they cannot expect to hold a guy.

Even if you *know* that this isn't true with all guys, I think that you can't help feeling like that at least sometimes as a woman.

define porn star in bed...swallowing, anal? anything else? i dont think guys would really want 2 girls at the same tme. it;s a nice fantasy, but he will probably be afraid of not being able to keep it up.

You can go ahead and speak for yourself there.

- M4H

 

[SuperTool]

Looks like some women can't handle the competition

 

[classy]

I've never been into porn at all. Not even dirty magazines. It just doesn't do anything for me.

 

[whoiswes]

Originally posted by: thegimp03

thats nothing, women read scads of bs magazine articles and books on relationships and brainwash themselves into becoming insane.

Great point. I'll be sitting in the line to check-out in Safeway and I'll look over at the magazine rack and look down at all the women's magazines....Front page covers are all about the "How to lose 10 pounds in 10 days!", or "100 secrets about men!!!1111" or even the "New s*x techniques: how to please him." Etc...The list goes on and on. Women who drop money on subscriptions to Cosmopolitan, Good Housekeeping, Redbook are only objectifying themselves in the end and I think it's sad.

I just copied your quote to show to my fiancee - truer words were never spoken.