The Pope Does It Again

[Perknose]

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Pope Francis Is Accused of Using a Homophobic Slur Again​

To be . . . fair? . . . he is said to have been quoting someone else, but, dayum, guy, please join the rest of us in the 21st century.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

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Pope Francis Is Accused of Using a Homophobic Slur Again​

To be . . . fair? . . . he is said to have been quoting someone else, but, dayum, guy, please join the rest of us in the 21st century.

I mean, if you say any racist statement you're probably quoting someone, not sure if that's a credible defense.

 

[ivwshane]

Isn’t this the pope that’s been one of the most progressive popes in modern history?

 

[Perknose]

Isn’t this the pope that’s been one of the most progressive popes in modern history?

Grading on the curve.

 

[ivwshane]

Grading on the curve.

I don’t like to let perfection be the enemy of the good. Doesn’t he have a good record of lgbt policies (relatively speaking)?

 

[Perknose]

I don’t like to let perfection be the enemy of the good. Doesn’t he have a good record of lgbt policies (relatively speaking)?

Relatively speaking, yes. But these incidents simply show that he, too, is mired a deeply retrograde and homophobic culture. It's the ocean in which he swims.

 

[MtnMan]

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Pope Francis Is Accused of Using a Homophobic Slur Again​

To be . . . fair? . . . he is said to have been quoting someone else, but, dayum, guy, please join the rest of us in the 21st century.

He can't join us in the 21st century when his procedures manual was written by goat herders that were not sure where the sun went every night.

 

[MtnMan]

dup

 

[WelshBloke]

Isn’t this the pope that’s been one of the most progressive popes in modern history?

I'm going to go straight up Godwin's law on this.
Mussolini was the most progressive european fascist dictator in the WW2 era!

Not an endorsement of Mussolini, just a clumsy example of measuring someone against a low bar!

 

[Stokely]

"The most progressive Pope" is kinda like saying "moderate Republican". On paper, sounds good, in reality it only makes any sense when you look at the more extreme rest of the group. So yeah, relative/bell curve.

Old bigots that grew up with their bigotry being accepted/the norm aren't going to change. Best you can hope for is that they manage to mostly hide it. This dude is not exactly surrounded by enlightened modern diversity examples. Hopefully he'll score better in stopping priests from kid-diddling.

 

[ivwshane]

Relatively speaking, yes. But these incidents simply show that he, too, is mired a deeply retrograde and homophobic culture. It's the ocean in which he swims.

Yes and by all accounts it looks like he is aware of that and is trying to change. I don’t follow religions so I’m basing my point of view entirely on articles or reporting I’ve seen in passing. The church needs updating and he’s been updating it, has he not?

 

[K1052]

The church being annoyed that the Vatican is essentially the world's gaudiest bathhouse is not a new complaint.

Also another institution that would probably collapse if the gays disappeared.

 

[brycejones]

Yes and by all accounts it looks like he is aware of that and is trying to change. I don’t follow religions so I’m basing my point of view entirely on articles or reporting I’ve seen in passing. The church needs updating and he’s been updating it, has he not?

Well we have one poster here who feels like the the Pope is too progressive and the church needs to go back to the 17th century.

 

[zinfamous]

Grading on the curve.

I mean, he's also like, eleventyhundred years old. Of course some crazy shit is going to slip out. Dude's probably ranting up some anti-Peruvian, anti-Venezuelan slurs left and right, but no one bats an eye!

Hell, back in the nineties when plantation grandma was always complaining about how "basketball has been ruined by all those blackies!" we just had to roll our eyes and ignore her. What're you gonna do?

 

[KMFJD]

Frank does it again....

Vatican excommunicates ex-ambassador to U.S., Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, declares him guilty of schism

Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, who once served as the Vatican's ambassador to the U.S., was found guilty of schism.

www.cbsnews.com

/should have put this down earlier imho

 

[pmv]

I'm going to go straight up Godwin's law on this.
Mussolini was the most progressive european fascist dictator in the WW2 era!

Not an endorsement of Mussolini, just a clumsy example of measuring someone against a low bar!

Mussolini started out as a socialist and also, when in power, went through a period of endorsing and following 'small state' 'neoliberal' policies, opposing trade unions and protecting 'private property rights' and promoting 'austerity' and reduced state spending.

He was basically a Thatcherite at one point, before turning full fascist.

It's remarkable how many different arguments he can be cited to make rhetorical points about. He can be used to cast aspersions on almost _everybody_.