the perceptual disconnect between brain and thoery of mind

ModestGamer

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Everyday I meet many new and fascinating people. they range from ragging idiots to complete morons, Ocassionally I meet someone intellegent but those days become rarer.

One of the most interesting things I ponder daily is, why don't people seem to grasp the concept that their minds are the sum total of the perceptions of their brains. They seem intrinsically disconnected from there own motivations and baser instincts. Almost as if they accept this semi conciousness as a OK relative state. They fial to understand what motivates them to buy a car, big house, high paying job etc.

WTF is wrong with 90% of the population ???
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Everyday I meet many new and fascinating people. they range from ragging idiots to complete morons, Ocassionally I meet someone intellegent but those days become rarer.

One of the most interesting things I ponder daily is, why don't people seem to grasp the concept that their minds are the sum total of the perceptions of their brains. They seem intrinsically disconnected from there own motivations and baser instincts. Almost as if they accept this semi conciousness as a OK relative state. They fial to understand what motivates them to buy a car, big house, high paying job etc.

WTF is wrong with 90% of the population ???
Ahem...
Oh yeah, wrong forum.
 

CSMR

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One of the most interesting things I ponder daily is, why don't people seem to grasp the concept that their minds are the sum total of the perceptions of their brains.
Maybe because you need to explain it to them better? Is this a tautology or are you saying something about the connection between mind and matter?
They seem intrinsically disconnected from there own motivations and baser instincts. Almost as if they accept this semi conciousness as a OK relative state. They fial to understand what motivates them to buy a car, big house, high paying job etc.
What do you think motivates them?
 

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ModestGamer, if you are intending to be sarcastic retroactively, you are not successful! If you would really like to discuss epsitomology, then let's!
First things first: spelling and grammar, capitalization; please do it!

Please describe how you feel the mind and brain are related! Where does the brain end? Where does the mind begin? Are your traits (for example, The Big Five) caused/dictated by your brain, or by your mind? Is your mind dependent upon your brain? Can you have a dysfunctional brain and a functional mind? Whence dose consciousness arise?
Let's talk! This is a subject I am very interested in; perhaps you can share some insight.
 
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It also explains why actual competence may weaken self-confidence: because competent individuals falsely assume that others have an equivalent or better understanding. "Thus, the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others.

I added the underlined / cursive text.

The bold part is all to familiar...
I experience it often myself where people with a delusional superiority claim to know better. While when looking at history, it is perfectly explainable where those individuals got their advantage from. Hard work is the only way for smart people. Luck and elbows are THE way for dumb people.
 

MrDudeMan

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It's possible that he misspelled so many things on purpose to make his point. We can read, see, hear, and otherwise experience only part of something and somehow interpret the real, intended meaning without all of the information. His thread title leads me to believe he is proposing a question about how we quantify this without having data on what really makes a thinking and perceiving mind as opposed to a brain that simply acts and reacts based on stimulus.

Maybe I am giving him too much credit. I don't know yet.
 

PlasmaBomb

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It's possible that he misspelled so many things on purpose to make his point. We can read, see, hear, and otherwise experience only part of something and somehow interpret the real, intended meaning without all of the information. His thread title leads me to believe he is proposing a question about how we quantify this without having data on what really makes a thinking and perceiving mind as opposed to a brain that simply acts and reacts based on stimulus.

Maybe I am giving him too much credit. I don't know yet.

You are giving him too much credit...

ModestGamer
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You would probably have liked this programme -

Horizon (BBC2)
Is Seeing Believing?

Horizon explores the strange and wonderful world of illusions - and reveals the tricks they play on our senses and why they fool us.

We show how easy it is to trick your sense of taste by changing the colours of food and drink, explain how what you see can change what you hear, and see just how unreliable our sense of colour can be.

But all this trickery has a serious purpose. It's helping scientists to create a new understanding of how our senses work - not as individual senses, but connected together.

It holds the intriguing possibility that one sense could be mapped into another. This is what happened to Daniel Kish, who lost his sight as a child. He is now able to create a vision of the world by clicking his tongue which allows him to echolocate like a bat.

And in a series of MRI scans, scientists are now looking to find out if Daniel's brain may have actually rewired itself enabling him to use sound to create a visual image of the world.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00vhw1d
 

Ninjahedge

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And in a series of MRI scans, scientists are now looking to find out if Daniel's brain may have actually rewired itself enabling him to use sound to create a visual image of the world.

Daredevil????!?
 

jvroig

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Yes, exactly like Daredevil. There was even this article about him that incorporated that into the title, something like "Daniel Kish: The Man Without Fear" or similar. I'm sure google will turn that up rather quickly.
 

C1

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What is this thread really about?

It was pointed out by Graham Hancock ( http://www.grahamhancock.com/news/index.php ) that the most brilliant flashes of insight which have affected mankind's course of history do not seem at all to come from any logic within the brain. Rather it would appear that these have come from a connection with a greater external consciousness, awareness or reality.
 

jvroig

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What is this thread really about?
The OP was a self-admitted troll ("self-admitted" meaning he literally arrogantly boasted about playing with the people here, right up until he finally got banned; you can see him posting in a variety of forums - CPU, Video, OS, Off-topic, P&N... and no matter where he is his modus operandi is pretty much the same - troll, flame-bait, arrogant SOB). This is yet just another of his nonsense that he made into a thread.
 

C1

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Thanks!

Yeah, there's a few of those kind around, some of which in the past I immediately caught on to. Sometimes though when everyone joins in it can become hard to tell, but I guess that's one of the objectives.
 

PsiStar

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Perhaps he is an alcoholic & cocktail time allows the inner sociopath to manifest.