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ubern00b1

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Well it changed 10-20 million people from being alive to being dead.

Maybe that is our true nature, though. In the midst of life we are in death.
Funny, BBC says 5 million and we all know they are deaths of any kind within 28 days of a positive PCR test run at 45cycles which is completely unreliable, but please tell me more of these extra 15m people who have shrugged off their mortal coil during the worst pandemic in human history :mask:
 
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Funny, BBC says 5 million and we all know they are deaths of any kind within 28 days of a positive PCR test run at 45cycles which is completely unreliable, but please tell me more of these extra 15m people who have shrugged off their mortal coil during the worst pandemic in human history :mask:

Not funny at all. The BBC is only reporting the deaths officially recorded as due to COVID, which is a massive underestimate. As has been repeatedly pointed out, you need to consider the total excess death figures (which is how they historically calculate flu deaths, for example). When you do that, as the Economist has been doing for some time, you get a total of 10-20 million.


It seems clear you don't understand the topic at all, so maybe you shouldn't be commenting on it? (You really think, India, for example, has been correctly counting every single COVID death?)

See also (probably not entirely due to direct COVID deaths, because they also have a declining birth rate and other problems, but clearly the official death toll for COVID in Russia is a gross under-estimate)

 

ubern00b1

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Not funny at all. The BBC is only reporting the deaths officially recorded as due to COVID, which is a massive underestimate. As has been repeatedly pointed out, you need to consider the total excess death figures (which is how they historically calculate flu deaths, for example). When you do that, as the Economist has been doing for some time, you get a total of 10-20 million.


It seems clear you don't understand the topic at all, so maybe you shouldn't be commenting on it? (You really think, India, for example, has been correctly counting every single COVID death?)

See also (probably not entirely due to direct COVID deaths, because they also have a declining birth rate and other problems, but clearly the official death toll for COVID in Russia is a gross under-estimate)

they're reporting the same deaths as every other data source out there, they are the OFFICIAL death numbers for covid, like I said, PCR at 45 cycles is trash and counting any death within 28 days of a positive test is just plain lies, if anything excess deaths have occured in mental health, missed diagnosis of other health issues due to people not being able to see a GP, consultant etc because the world went mad over the flu.

Your "I don't want to listen to your facts, you should not comment" say's it all, the facts and data are there for all to see through official government data, average age of covid deaths 80+ most with severe comorbidities, IFR similar to flu, 99.*% survivable, please tell me more how you have been conned and don't want to admit it..
 

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they're reporting the same deaths as every other data source out there, they are the OFFICIAL death numbers for covid, like I said, PCR at 45 cycles is trash and counting any death within 28 days of a positive test is just plain lies, if anything excess deaths have occured in mental health, missed diagnosis of other health issues due to people not being able to see a GP, consultant etc because the world went mad over the flu.

Your "I don't want to listen to your facts, you should not comment" say's it all, the facts and data are there for all to see through official government data, average age of covid deaths 80+ most with severe comorbidities, IFR similar to flu, 99.*% survivable, please tell me more how you have been conned and don't want to admit it..

Onto ignore you go, as you are another one not interested in rational argument or evidence.
 
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ubern00b1

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Onto ignore you go, as you are another one not interested in rational argument or evidence.
Where's your evidence? the data is all available from your governments official websites, what have I missed? it was brief but you won't be missed :kissingsmiling:
 
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they're reporting the same deaths as every other data source out there, they are the OFFICIAL death numbers for covid, like I said, PCR at 45 cycles is trash and counting any death within 28 days of a positive test is just plain lies, if anything excess deaths have occured in mental health, missed diagnosis of other health issues due to people not being able to see a GP, consultant etc because the world went mad over the flu.

Your "I don't want to listen to your facts, you should not comment" say's it all, the facts and data are there for all to see through official government data, average age of covid deaths 80+ most with severe comorbidities, IFR similar to flu, 99.*% survivable, please tell me more how you have been conned and don't want to admit it..
COVID is superior than the flu in numerous factors regarding its transmissibility and survival. 1% is enough to affect every community. 100 people in a community is rather common. 1 person in that community will come down with it.

Just because it's official doesn't mean it's comprehensive or that everyone got examined. Data collection only started after the event.
 

ubern00b1

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COVID is superior than the flu in numerous factors regarding its transmissibility and survival. 1% is enough to affect every community. 100 people in a community is rather common. 1 person in that community will come down with it.

Just because it's official doesn't mean it's comprehensive or that everyone got examined. Data collection only started after the event.
it's less than 1% though.. but lets vaccinate 100% of people with 2 shots and endless boosters?
 
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Yes, that is a very good idea.

You have to wonder at what point the boosters will stop being helpful. Or, is this going to become like the flu, where you need to get the latest variant of the Covid shot annually to have any immunity?
 

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it's less than 1% though.. but lets vaccinate 100% of people with 2 shots and endless boosters?
Small numbers are not perceived as greatly even though the orders of magnitude still reduce by a factor 10 with every added 0. A thousandth of a percent, ten-thousandths, etc.

COVID operates precisely by not killing everyone it hits but spreading rapidly so that the kills and other dangerous events add up quickly so that hospitals are overwhelmed.

In general, it would wise for those who never got it to get the vaccine at least once.

I got it once with a confirmation on Feb 13, 2021, I suspect I got it twice because late Nov 2019, I was overwhelmed by fatigue and irritability that did not go away for at least 2-4 month. Yes, I survived, but the prolonged morbidity is not a joke.

I actually haven't been vaccinated yet, but that's because my lifestyle involves minimal interaction outside with many other people. Despite this lifestyle, I still managed to get it from a trip to a store...during times when numbers of people going out were reduced and there was no vaccine yet.
I'm not necessarily hesitant or unwilling to get the vaccine, but having already been infected, I have knowledge of my risks and rewards; I have also improved my health by improving my diet to a nutrient-dense, low carb diet out of teeth preservation necessity(an anti-diabetic and high-vitamin diet of sorts). A vaccine for me would be to avoid symptoms and speed up recovery. Those who never have been infected do not know their threshold of symptoms.

I've have my vendettas against big pharma(respiradl and Zoloft to basically subjugate my grandmother) and corruption in government, health care, etc, which is a secondary reason why I have not gotten vaccinated. But only after knowledge from exposure to the virus lets me grind my axe by not giving Big Pharma any money.

If someone really wants to dig in their heels and be a "virgin" unvaccinated(that is, no previous infection), then they better clean up the lifestyle habits like diet(specifically, cutting most problematic carbs) and exercise. You don't need to be full-blown diabetic or obese to be at risk. Gum disease, insulin resistance are asymptomatic damagers at the start and insulin resistance can occur in normal weight individuals(my mother has a 22.61 BMI but suspect blood test results)

One hiccup is that aspiration is not recommend in administration of the vaccine by the shady WHO; those who are unfortunate to get an IV of the vaccine then wind up with severe side effects.
 

IronWing

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You have to wonder at what point the boosters will stop being helpful. Or, is this going to become like the flu, where you need to get the latest variant of the Covid shot annually to have any immunity?
I suspect that it will be like the flu boosters. If more people would get vaccinated we can slow the rate of spread of mutations and buy ourselves some breathing room. As long as there is an enormous pool of non-vaccinated people, we will be playing a frantic game of catch-up.
 

ubern00b1

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I suspect that it will be like the flu boosters. If more people would get vaccinated we can slow the rate of spread of mutations and buy ourselves some breathing room. As long as there is an enormous pool of non-vaccinated people, we will be playing a frantic game of catch-up.
You don't have flu boosters, you have 1 shot a year which is tweaked every year for that strain, for some people it will be 4 shots for covid in 1 year and that trend looks set to continue with Pfizer saying 3 more shots should provide enough protection against Omicron, considering natural immunity is already at 99.*% what that really says is, 3 more vaccines will add 0.0*% more protection :rolleyes: I just don't feel like playing pin the tail on the donkey and me being the donkey :tearsofjoy:
 
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MrSquished

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COVID has definitely helped separate out the dbags from the non dbags. I think it's been pretty effective.
 

brianmanahan

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Extroverts in shambles.

they can talk amongst themselves
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now i have a convenient excuse to not go to basically every social function ever again!

i probably won't be traveling or vacationing ever again either.

it's too risky, and COVID also made me realize that it's quite expensive. i've saved so much money staying at home and doing nothing.
 
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Extroverts in shambles.
Extraverts don't realize their evolution is now inappropriate for the situation at hand(though not enough to prevent copulation).

Extraverts can also be anti-social. Look you in the eye, say things with firm authority, no stutter...then they break the contract.

Even lawyers with some heart are so well-trained that they are learned anti-socials. So are car salesmen, real estate agents, auto mechanics.
 

Captante

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Grief and misery indeed.


Bearing in mind the distinct possibility that OP is completely FOS. ;)
 
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I know some people have a legit if not rational fear of needles. My dad did for example. For me, size makes the difference. If you're coming at me with a needle thicker than some pastry nozzles, I'm going to demur. But let's say I get bit by a rabid animal, which we do get a few times per year, I'll cry, whine and stamp my feet, but I'll get the shots.
 

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I know some people have a legit if not rational fear of needles. My dad did for example. For me, size makes the difference. If you're coming at me with a needle thicker than some pastry nozzles, I'm going to demur. But let's say I get bit by a rabid animal, which we do get a few times per year, I'll cry, whine and stamp my feet, but I'll get the shots.


They are working on developing nasal-spray delivery systems for vaccines. Hopefully if that works out, that problem at least would be circumvented.
 
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brianmanahan

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I know some people have a legit if not rational fear of needles. My dad did for example. For me, size makes the difference. If you're coming at me with a needle thicker than some pastry nozzles, I'm going to demur. But let's say I get bit by a rabid animal, which we do get a few times per year, I'll cry, whine and stamp my feet, but I'll get the shots.

the key is to not look

i've gotten hundreds of blood tests, dozens of shots and a few IVs, but have never watched one of them enter my skin