The Palestine Mandate

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The 1922 mandate--which was adopted by the League of Nations (the precursor to the United Nations)--said that everything to the east of the Jordan River (which comprised 77-percent of historical Palestine) would be an Arab state, while everything to the west of the Jordan River (which comprised 23-percent of historical Palestine) would be a Jewish state. My question then is the following: Why, in 1947, did the UN partition the 23-percent of Palestine that was supposed to be a Jewish state? The partition was so hastily done that the Arab and the Jewish states crossed over each other.

EDIT: And the 23-percent of Palestine that was supposed to be a Jewish state was, by all accounts, sparsely populated until the early Zionist settlers cultivated and developed the land in the late 1800's. There are many authors who wrote first hand accounts of how desolate and uninhabited the "Holy Land" was in the 1800's.

 

[Jimbo]

Blame the Brits. They were so busy kissing Arab butt, they totally F'd it up. I had a thread on this a while back. Let me check the links from my post.

 

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Not to mention that the part of historical Palestine to the west of the Jordan River (which was supposed to be a Jewish state) was rather desolate until the the Jews developed the land in the late 1800's.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the Arabs already have 77-percent of the historical Palesinite (Jordan). Why do they need more?

I'm not against the establishment of another Arab state, though.

 

[Jimbo]

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From everything I have read, the State of Israel was designed to fail (by the UN). The borders were so idiotic and indefensible, it practically invited invasion. It seems that the logic was to create the state and then let the Arabs swallow it up. That way they could claim they created the state, but maintain the status quo with the Arabs.

 

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Jimbo

I'll fall off my chair if someone like Czar posts something in this thread.

 

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In essence, the PA has rewritten history and sadly everyone seems to accept this new history.

 

[StormRider]

<< In essence, the PA has rewritten history and sadly everyone seems to accept this new history. >>



Yep, that's basically how I understand it. If you go to any pro-Palenstinian site, their maps make it seem as if the region called Palestine only consisted of what is now called Israel and the "occupied" lands. They are trying to revise history and ignore that the area called Jordan was also called Palestine and Jordan was orginally meant to be the homeland of the Palestinians.

 

[Jimbo]

Such as this?
By 1948, the Arabs had still not yet discovered their ancient nation of Falastin/ Palestine. When they were offered half of Palestine west of the Jordan River for a state, the offer was violently rejected. Six Arab states launched a war of annihilation against the newly created State of Israel. Their purpose was not to establish an independent Falastin/Palestine. Their aim was to partition all of Western Palestine (including Israel) amongst themselves. They did not succeed in taking out Israel, but Trans-Jordan succeeded in taking Judea and Samaria (West Bank) and East Jerusalem, killing or driving out all the Jews who had lived in those places, and banning Jews of all nations from Jewish holy places (so much for religious tolerance). Egypt succeeded in taking the Gaza Strip. These two Arab states held these lands until 1967.

In 1967 Israel launched a preemptive strike against Egypt, beginning the 6-Day War. Jordan then used this opportunity to attack Israel in the hopes of an annihilating the state one and for all. They guessed wrong, and got their butts handed to them, while loosing all of the land they gained in the 1948 War as well as the West Bank and Jerusalem in the process.

During those 19 years, 1948-1967, Jordan and Egypt never offered to surrendar those lands (Gaza and The West Bank) to make up an independent state of Palestine. The "Palestinians" never sought it (who at that time considered themselves Jordanian). Nobody in the world ever suggested it, much less demanded it.

Meanwhile, in 1964, the Palestine Liberation Movement was founded, with a charter that proclaimed its sole purpose to be the destruction of Israel. To that end it helped to precipitate the Jordanian attack on Israel in 1967.
The Disastrous outcome of that attack then inspired an alteration in public rhetoric. As propaganda, it sounds better to speak of the liberation of Palestine than of the destruction of Israel.

 

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<< In essence, the PA has rewritten history and sadly everyone seems to accept this new history. >>



Yep, that's basically how I understand it. If you go to any pro-Palenstinian site, their maps make it seem as if the region called Palestine only consisted of what is now called Israel and the "occupied" lands. They are trying to revise history and ignore that the area called Jordan was also called Palestine and Jordan was orginally meant to be the homeland of the Palestinians. >>


Exactly. The Arabs already have their 77-percent of Palestine. And the majority of the Arabs living today in the West Bank and Gaza immigrated there after the Jews started to cultivate and develop the land in the 1880's. (I thinking I'm repeating myself. )

 

[Red Dawn]

<< I'll fall off my chair if someone like Czar posts something in this thread. >>

We'd just have to pick you up and strap you back in.

In 1948 75% of the inhabitants of what is now Israel were Arabic. What percentage of Israel now is actually European or of European Descent?

 

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<< I'll fall off my chair if someone like Czar posts something in this thread. >>

We'd just have to pick you up and strap you back in.

In 1948 75% of the inhabitants of what is now Israel were Arabic. What percentage of Israel now is actually European or of European Descent? >>



The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

When Jews began to immigrate to Palestine in large numbers in 1882, fewer than 250,000 Arabs lived there, and the majority of them had arrived in recent decades.

Now tell me, who is guilty of shipping in people to offset the other's migration?

BTW, where do you get 75%?

At the time of the 1947 partition resolution, the Arabs did have a majority in western Palestine as a whole ? 1.2 million Arabs versus 600,000 Jews. But the Jews were a majority in the area allotted to them by the resolution and in Jerusalem. 75% seems a bit of a stretch.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< At the time of the 1947 partition resolution, the Arabs did have a majority in western Palestine as a whole ? 1.2 million Arabs versus 600,000 Jews. But the Jews were a majority in the area allotted to them by the resolution and in Jerusalem. 75% seems a bit of a stretch. >>

Actually I heard that number on Fox's Hannity and Colmes . I'm guilty of using a questionable source for my info (FOX News Station)

 

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<< At the time of the 1947 partition resolution, the Arabs did have a majority in western Palestine as a whole ? 1.2 million Arabs versus 600,000 Jews. But the Jews were a majority in the area allotted to them by the resolution and in Jerusalem. 75% seems a bit of a stretch. >>

Actually I heard that number on Fox's Hannity and Colmes . I'm guilty of using a questionable source for my info (FOX News Station) >>



Who said it, Hannity, or Colmes?

 

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The 1947 partition of the 23-percent of Palestine that was supposed to be the Jewish state was done hastily under Arab duress. And even after the Jewish people allowed the land west of the Jordan River to be divided up into two states that crossed over each other, the Arab countries still attacked them.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< And even after Jewish people allowed the land west of the Jordan River to be divided up into two states that crossed over each other, the Arab countries still attacked them. >>

And you think without Soviet support and Military Hardware they still would have the balls to do that now? Think again.

 

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<< And even after Jewish people allowed the land west of the Jordan River to be divided up into two states that crossed over each other, the Arab countries still attacked them. >>

And you think without Soviet support and Military Hardware they still would have the balls to do that now? Think again. >>



No, now a great many of the Arab countries simply breed terrorists and broadcast anti-Israeli propaganda. Six of one, half dozen of another. If Israel makes compromises with them, it simply validates terrorism as an acceotable form of warfare and protest.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< No, now a great many of the Arab countries simply breed terrorists and broadcast anti-Israeli propaganda. Six of one, half dozen of another. If Israel makes compromises with them, it simply validates terrorism as an acceotable form of warfare and protest. >>

The same can be said about giving the Jews Israel.

 

[gopunk]

i thought palestineans aren't arabs?

 

[Red Dawn]

<< i thought palestineans aren't arabs? >>

What you think they were, Mongols?

 

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<< i thought palestineans aren't arabs? >>


The Jews west of the Jordan River were called the Palestinians between 1922 and 1948.

 

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<< No, now a great many of the Arab countries simply breed terrorists and broadcast anti-Israeli propaganda. Six of one, half dozen of another. If Israel makes compromises with them, it simply validates terrorism as an acceotable form of warfare and protest. >>

The same can be said about giving the Jews Israel. >>



no, i don't care what the hippies claim is "terrorism"...

amused one is right, but i think it goes further. this is more than just about saying no to terrorism, this is more or less about a democratic state prevailing, and western civilization prevailing as well.

 

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<< i thought palestineans aren't arabs? >>

What you think they were, Mongols? >>



i thought they were palestineans. i was under the impression the arabs were just another party that had conquered palestine at one point in time.

 

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<< i thought palestineans aren't arabs? >>

What you think they were, Mongols? >>



i thought they were palestineans. i was under the impression the arabs were just another party that had conquered palestine at one point in time. >>


The current Palestinians didn't call themselves "the Palestinians" until after the 1967 war.

 

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Beenpunked

<< no, i don't care what the hippies claim is "terrorism"... >>

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