The original intent of the FDA

What was the FDA's original intent?

  • Corporatism

  • To protect the people


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Anarchist420

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Poll time: Was it to serve corporate or could TJR have really cared about the people? I'd say the latter. For someone who was capable of murdering people in an unnecessary war, I doubt he had the humanity to protect the people from corporatism. Also, two other things suggest the FDA's original intent was the opposite of what TJRoosevelt claimed:

Excessive polio-causing metal was in foods for a few decades after the FDA was founded.

The trust-busting was lobbied for by the House of Morgan.
 

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Massengil is to blame for the power the FDA has now over drugs. Idiot manufacturer killed people combining ethylene glycol (aka antifreeze) into an over the counter medication. Before the FDA rules on drugs there was no testing required. You could bottle up arsenic mixed with whiskey and call it a healing elixir.

The chief chemist at Massengill, Harold C. Watkins, tried one solvent after another before settling on diethylene glycol, a sweetish but largely tasteless fluid. The concoction was checked for flavor and fragrance, and then manufactured in batches totaling hundreds of gallons. The liquid, Elixir Sulfanilamide, was put into bottles of 4 ounces each and shipping began on Sept. 4, 1937.
Tulsa, Oklahoma., was the first city in which reactions were reported. By early October 1937, 10 patients in the practice of James Stephenson, M.D., had died immediately after taking the bright red liquid.
When FDA inspectors reached Massengill's Tennessee plant, they found that Tulsa would not be the only site of the problems. Two hundred forty gallons of "elixir" had been shipped across the country, from California to Virginia.
A short time later, Walter Campbell, the FDA's chief chemist, held a press conference in Washington, D.C., during which he said that 14 people had died after taking the Massengill product. He said that the FDA could not legally investigate or prosecute the matter unless it could be shown that there was something wrong with the label on the bottles. He had, however, begun a national investigation, as his agency was the only one with any possible jurisdiction. Campbell would go on to become Commissioner of Food and Drugs in 1940.
The 1906 law had no prohibition per se of dangerous drugs. Campbell was fortunate in that the medicine was labeled an "elixir," which technically is a liquid containing alcohol, so he went ahead with his investigation in hopes that the technicality would be sufficient cause to investigate.
The full field force of the FDA in the United States, 239 inspectors, began to search out the druggists and doctors who had received the shipments. Massengill proved to be trouble. At the beginning of the crisis, on Oct. 15, 1937, the FDA had asked the company to recall from doctors, druggists, and distributors whatever was left of the shipments. The company sent out a notice that all should send back the preparation, but said nothing about the reason for the return or the emergency nature of the recall. The recall was largely ignored. It wasn't until four days later that the company was told it had to send out a second notice, indicating that the drug was life-threatening.
By the end of November 1937, 107 deaths had been reported, many of them children. Not counted in the statistics was Watkins, the chemist who had caused it all, who died while cleaning his gun. It is unclear how many more victims there were beyond those reported, but the FDA investigators kept the number of deaths down by recovering, within four weeks, more than 90 percent of the original shipment. About 6 gallons, apparently, accounted for all the deaths.
Less than a month later, when it was clear the episode was over, the question of prosecution arose. Samuel Massengill himself wrote to the AMA, staking out the company's position. The deaths were regrettable, he said, "but I have violated no law."
 
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hal2kilo

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Poll time: Was it to serve corporate or could TJR have really cared about the people? I'd say the latter. For someone who was capable of murdering people in an unnecessary war, I doubt he had the humanity to protect the people from corporatism. Also, two other things suggest the FDA's original intent was the opposite of what TJRoosevelt claimed:

Excessive polio-causing metal was in foods for a few decades after the FDA was founded.

The trust-busting was lobbied for by the House of Morgan.

Wow, I need to go back to school, all this time I though polio was a virus.
 

Babbles

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Seriously?

While certainly the FDA has had a few duds here and there, over the history of the organization the improved safety of food, drugs, and cosmetics has had a very positive and significant impact on consumers.

The amount of details and transparency that the regulations mandate makes for a far, far safer environment than prior to the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act.
 

hal2kilo

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Seriously?

While certainly the FDA has had a few duds here and there, over the history of the organization the improved safety of food, drugs, and cosmetics has had a very positive and significant impact on consumers.

The amount of details and transparency that the regulations mandate makes for a far, far safer environment than prior to the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act.

The department was being financially strangled and overrun with industry types. Their labs are pathetic. This is about public safety. People died from eating peanut butter! Not something that you would think you would ever have to worry about. Kids died.
 

Exterous

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The department was being financially strangled and overrun with industry types. Their labs are pathetic. This is about public safety. People died from eating peanut butter! Not something that you would think you would ever have to worry about. Kids died.

It's more about budget than industry people. The FDA has lobbied Congress for years saying in report after report that they cannot do their duty without more funding. They show cold hard facts about the number of food facilities increasing significantly while their budget has remained the same. Congress has done nothing. Food facilities go years without being re-audited
 

shortylickens

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If we didnt have an FDA you would notice the difference. Just go to any country that doesnt protect its people from bad food or drugs.
 

Cogman

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Poll time: Was it to serve corporate or could TJR have really cared about the people? I'd say the latter. For someone who was capable of murdering people in an unnecessary war, I doubt he had the humanity to protect the people from corporatism. Also, two other things suggest the FDA's original intent was the opposite of what TJRoosevelt claimed:

Excessive polio-causing metal was in foods for a few decades after the FDA was founded.

The trust-busting was lobbied for by the House of Morgan.

Polio causing metals...... What, pray tell, are these magic metals that cause viral infections?
 

Babbles

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The department was being financially strangled and overrun with industry types. Their labs are pathetic. This is about public safety. People died from eating peanut butter! Not something that you would think you would ever have to worry about. Kids died.

Haha, no shit, you are seriously going to play the "Think of the children" card?

The FDA is not getting "overrun with industry types" but rather people from industry go to work in government and vice versa.

Just where in the heck do you expect to get people with years of experience doing pharmaceutical research? Pick up brand new college grads and have them run the FDA without any prior experience? Really, do you think that is a good option?

Just about any research lab in the U.S. is a phenomenal place - "their labs" are not pathetic. I am not entirely certain where you would get that notion. Certainly I imagine they could use more federal funding, but that should not be an indication that their facilities are pathetic.
 

JS80

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As with all government programs, the intent was to give the government more power.
 

Exterous

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As with all government programs, the intent was to give the government more power.

While I am generally not a big fan of government involvement the FDA was needed. Otherwise companies could make any claims they wanted about medicine. You can always tell the products that do not fall under the FDA because they make all kinds of claims and half truths with a tiny disclaimer at the bottom of the screen/bottle saying "These claims have not been verified by the FDA"
 

LegendKiller

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Poll time: Was it to serve corporate or could TJR have really cared about the people? I'd say the latter. For someone who was capable of murdering people in an unnecessary war, I doubt he had the humanity to protect the people from corporatism. Also, two other things suggest the FDA's original intent was the opposite of what TJRoosevelt claimed:

Excessive polio-causing metal was in foods for a few decades after the FDA was founded.

The trust-busting was lobbied for by the House of Morgan.

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