The Oliver Stone - Mel Gibson double standard

ProfJohn

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Well this certainly makes you wonder.

Why is Stone getting a pass on his comments?

Maybe it has to do with Stone's support for Castro and Chavez??

I guess being anti-semitic is only bad when you are a right wing conservative.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/08/04/double_standard/
LATE IN July, a Hollywood honcho uncorks a blast of anti-Semitic bile, the sort of malignant stereotype about Jews one might expect from David Duke or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Is that newsworthy?

It certainly was in 2006, when Mel Gibson, arrested in Malibu for drunken driving, demanded to know whether the arresting deputy was Jewish, and then launched into an anti-Semitic rant: “[Expletive] Jews,’’ he raged. “The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.’’

What followed was a Category 4 media hurricane.

Within a week, according to the Nexis news database, the number of articles mentioning “Mel Gibson’’ and “Jews’’ had soared to 1,077. The New York Times reported the incident in a Page 1 story on July 30, and followed it up with much longer stories on Aug. 1 and 2. The coverage in the Los Angeles Times was even more extensive, with three front-page stories and another half-dozen inside. Numerous other papers gave heavy play to Gibson’s tirade and its aftermath. The network and cable news shows were all over the story, broadcasting scores of segments about it in that first week.

Pervading much of the media’s coverage and commentary was a tone of unforgiving revulsion.

“Let’s not cut Mel Gibson even the tiniest bit of slack,’’ began Eugene Robinson’s op-ed column in The Washington Post. Talent agent Ari Emanuel’s call for Gibson to be blacklisted was widely noted: “People in the entertainment business, whether Jew or gentile, need to demonstrate that they understand how much is at stake in this by professionally shunning Mel Gibson and refusing to work with him,’’ Emanuel wrote in an open letter on the Huffington Post.

On “The View,’’ Barbara Walters announced that she wouldn’t see any more of Gibson’s movies. Slate explained “How To Boycott Mel Gibson.’’ CNN’s Brooke Anderson, co-host of “Showbiz Tonight,’’ described “a sudden explosion of outrage with some of the most influential people in Hollywood now saying they will never work with Mel Gibson again.’’ As if to confirm the point, ABC cancelled a Holocaust-themed mini-series it had been developing with Gibson.

But when, almost exactly four years later, another Hollywood bigfoot uttered an anti-Semitic rant, the reaction couldn’t have been more different.

In a July 25 interview with the Times of London, filmmaker Oliver Stone complained that “Jewish domination of the media’’ focuses too much attention on the Holocaust, and prevents Americans from understanding Hitler (and Stalin) “in context’’ — a wrong he intends to right in a documentary he is making for Showtime. Stone described these media-controlling Jews as “the most powerful lobby in Washington’’ — “hard workers’’ who “stay on top of every comment,’’ and are responsible for the fact that “Israel has [expletive]-up United States foreign policy for years.’’

Like Gibson blaming Jews for the planet’s wars, Stone’s lament about Jewish control of the media is classic anti-Semitism, straight out of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’’ and Henry Ford’s “The International Jew.’’ Unlike Gibson, however, Stone gave vent to his bigotry while perfectly sober.

Yet far from triggering a media storm, Stone’s anti-Semitic conspiracy-mongering barely stirred a breeze.

Seven days after his words first appeared, Nexis had logged fewer than 150 items mentioning Stone’s toxic rhetoric. On ABC, CBS, and NBC, the news shows completely ignored the story. The New York Times restricted its coverage to two short items in its “Arts, Briefly’’ section — and few other papers ran even that much.

Media mogul Haim Saban did urge Showtime to cancel Stone’s documentary, and posted an online message calling on Hollywood to give Stone “a vigorous shove into the land of forced retirement.’’ But few if any media voices seconded the motion — not a word from Slate, for example — and some went out of their way to pooh-pooh it: Los Angeles Times blogger Patrick Goldstein pronounced the idea “not so different’’ from “the infamous 1950s Hollywood blacklist.’’

Gibson and Stone are both guilty of indulging in rank anti-Semitism (for which both promptly “apologized’’), but only Gibson was buried under a newsroom avalanche of outrage and disgust. What explains that glaring difference? Surely the media don’t think Jew-baiting is intolerable only when it comes from a right-wing Christian like Gibson. Surely they wouldn’t overlook Stone’s noxious rant just because he is a pluperfect left-wing activist.

Surely that can’t be the explanation for so disgraceful a double standard.

Can it?
 

Amused

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Why would the left ruin one of their best propagandists? He's the American Left's Leni Riefenstahl.
 

ayabe

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Stone immediately came out an apologized and you cannot compare what he said to what Gibson said. Gibson also made similar statements in the past and made his statements with seething resentment and hatred both then and now.

What a fucking joke you are Prof.
 

Moonbeam

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Jews have every right in a free society to lobby the government on behalf of Israel. It is perfectly legal to take control of the government by having influence and money to elect the kind of representatives that will benefit your interests. If you don't like it lobby to put an end to Jewish influence over the government. American treasure and lives will go to defend Israel as long as the folk we elect want it. You may be apathetic, but the Jews aren't. The Holocaust probably got their attention.
 

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Stone immediately came out an apologized and you cannot compare what he said to what Gibson said. Gibson also made similar statements in the past and made his statements with seething resentment and hatred both then and now.

What a fucking joke you are Prof.

The article ONLY details Gibson's rant 4 years ago, and the backlash then. Not the events since. Gibson made an immediate appology as well.

And how are his remarks different? Both say basically the same thing, only Stone was sober, and thus a little more eloquent about it.
 

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Jews have every right in a free society to lobby the government on behalf of Israel. It is perfectly legal to take control of the government by having influence and money to elect the kind of representatives that will benefit your interests. If you don't like it lobby to put an end to Jewish influence over the government. American treasure and lives will go to defend Israel as long as the folk we elect want it. You may be apathetic, but the Jews aren't. The Holocaust probably got their attention.


Let the Jews lobby all they want. The US won't remain a super power for too much longer anyway, it's taking out loans it can't afford along with a bankrupt economy. Once the Jewish/Israeli lobby has sucked this country dry and more Americans are in soup lines, then they'll probably move on like locusts to another country. I'd like to see them try that shit in China.
 

Vette73

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Probable because very few pay attention to Stone but at the time in 96 Gibson was fresh off a mega hit and very much still a top A list movie star.
 

woolfe9999

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I don't know. I read about Stone's remarks in several MSM sources at the time. The comments were critical. Maybe there's some double standard in the amount of exposure here. But then why did left-wing journalist Helen Thomas' remarks about how Israeli Jews should go "back to Poland and Germany" create such a huge firestorm and cause her to immediately retire? Not sure I'm buying that you can get away with anti-semitism just because you're on the left.

- wolf
 

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This is the same crowd that protects Polanski. What did you expect?
 

Red Dawn

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This is the same crowd that protects Polanski. What did you expect?

The Swiss?


Seven days after his words first appeared, Nexis had logged fewer than 150 items mentioning Stone’s toxic rhetoric. On ABC, CBS, and NBC, the news shows completely ignored the story.
Stone gets ignored a lot. The only time I ever hear about him is when he's on Bill Mahers's show. BTW Maher, a Jew, has been pretty critical of the Jewish domination of the media and the Israeli Lobby. Does that make him anti Semetic?
 

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Media mogul Haim Saban did urge Showtime to cancel Stone’s documentary, and posted an online message calling on Hollywood to give Stone “a vigorous shove into the land of forced retirement.’’

Is it irony that an Israeli-American media mogul immediately tries to censor and retire Stone for claiming “Jewish domination of the media’’?

It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.


(Note that I don't believe in any of that Zionist secret world masters nonsense.)
 
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Moonbeam

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Stone gets ignored a lot. The only time I ever hear about him is when he's on Bill Mahers's show. BTW Maher, a Jew, has been pretty critical of the Jewish domination of the media and the Israeli Lobby. Does that make him anti Semetic?

The Jews in part know what Moonbeam knows in general, that people hate themselves. The Jews have a definition for it: Wiki

Self-hating Jew is a pejorative term used to allege that a Jewish person holds antisemitic beliefs or engages in antisemitic actions. The concept gained widespread currency after Theodor Lessing's 1930 book Der Jüdische Selbsthass ("Jewish Self-hatred"); the term became "something of a key term of opprobrium in and beyond Cold War-era debates about Zionism".[1] However, similar accusations of being uncomfortable with one's Jewishness were already being made by groups of Jews against each other before Zionism existed as a movement.[1]

According to one academic author, the expression "self-hating Jew" "is often used rhetorically to discount Jews who differ in their lifestyles, interests or political positions from their accusers".[2] The term has a long history in debates over the role of Israel in Jewish identity, where it is used by right-wing Zionists against Jewish critics of Israeli government policy.[2] However, the academic author Sander Gilman has written, "One of the most recent forms of Jewish self-hatred is the virulent opposition to the existence of the State of Israel."[3] He uses the term not simply against critics of Israeli policy but against Jews who oppose Israel's existence. The concept of Jewish self-hatred has been described by critics as "an entirely bogus concept",[4] one that "serves no other purpose than to marginalise and demonise political opponents"[5] and one that is used increasingly as a personal attack in discussions about the "new antisemitism".[5] However, the sociologist Irving Louis Horowitz reserves the term for Jews who pose a danger to the Jewish community, using "Jewish self-hater" to describe the court Jew "who validates the slander (against Jews) as he attempts to curry the favor of masters and rulers."[6]
 

CallMeJoe

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A once-overrated now largely irrelevant film director doesn't receive the same public scrutiny as an A-list Movie Star for anti-semitic statements.

You're right, it must be a leftist conspiracy.
 

tk149

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There's a big difference between

“[Expletive] Jews,’’ and

“Jewish domination of the media’’ focuses too much attention on the Holocaust, and prevents Americans from understanding Hitler (and Stalin) “in context’’. Stone described these media-controlling Jews as “the most powerful lobby in Washington’’ — “hard workers’’ who “stay on top of every comment,’’ and are responsible for the fact that “Israel has [expletive]-up United States foreign policy for years.’’

If you can't see that, there's no help for you.
 

Moonbeam

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I ignore you more than the media ignores Stone

I know well how you ignore me. You have reminded me of that fact several times per per annum for the last 11 years, so often in fact that I worry that something about me may have taken up residence in your ass.
 

Red Dawn

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I know well how you ignore me. You have reminded me of that fact several times per per annum for the last 11 years, so often in fact that I worry that something about me may have taken up residence in your ass.
Well you can stop worrying about my ass, in fact I wish you would. You're strange enough.
 

woolfe9999

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I intentionally mentioned your ass just to re-confirm that you are in fact paying attention.

The REAL question is, if you mentioned Red Dawn's ass while out in the forest, and he never heard you mention it, did you really mention it at all?

- wolf
 

Amused

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There's a big difference between

“[Expletive] Jews,’’ and

“Jewish domination of the media’’ focuses too much attention on the Holocaust, and prevents Americans from understanding Hitler (and Stalin) “in context’’. Stone described these media-controlling Jews as “the most powerful lobby in Washington’’ — “hard workers’’ who “stay on top of every comment,’’ and are responsible for the fact that “Israel has [expletive]-up United States foreign policy for years.’’

If you can't see that, there's no help for you.

So if you put the express the same feelings in a more civilized fashion, that makes the feelings different?

Dude, Gibson was drunk, and said, rudely, the same damn thing Stone said. That the Jews run Hollywood and are responsible for wars.

Now, how is that different? Because Gibson used gutter talk when he said it?