The Official Forza Horizon 2 thread

[SAWYER]

"With the press of a button, the game camera shifts around the front of the car (which is still moving) while the game transitions from solo mode to online play. In the space of half a sentence, the Drivatars are replaced with real players, and conditions and traffic are synced with an online session-in-progress. All the while the car is still cruising down the very same road, exactly where it was seconds before. Seamless, indeed"

 

[cmdrdredd]

"With the press of a button, the game camera shifts around the front of the car (which is still moving) while the game transitions from solo mode to online play. In the space of half a sentence, the Drivatars are replaced with real players, and conditions and traffic are synced with an online session-in-progress. All the while the car is still cruising down the very same road, exactly where it was seconds before. Seamless, indeed"

Hopefully it works like that.

This is starting to sound great and I can't wait to see it.

 

[smackababy]

After hearing some of this stuff, I might check it out.

 

[American Gunner]

I skipped the first one, but I may take a look at this one. I am tired of SIM racers, so this might hit the spot.

 

[cmdrdredd]

yeah definitely great news. if i remember correctly horizon was 30fps. hope part 2 is 60fps.

Sadly

Fulton and the team at Playground are firmly of the belief the next-generation is about light rather than resolution, but he did confirm Forza Horizon 2 on Xbox One would display at 1080p and, like the original Forza Horizon, a locked 30 frames-per-second.

IGN has a big 3 page article about the game, talking about the world building, the cars, the music, and the graphics etc.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06...ramerate-music-more-detailed-ign-first?page=1

 

[purbeast0]

yeah while that is a disappointment, it doesn't really bother me to be honest and will have no bearing on me getting it or not. first one was 30fps and did not bug me at all.

 

[cmdrdredd]

It's just something I kind of expected to be standard by now. It does make a difference, even if some people don't admit it. Doesn't have to mean the game will be bad or anything of course.

The rest of the article is kind of interesting reading.

 

[futurefields]

30 fps is always going to be the standard for open world games.

 

[cmdrdredd]

30 fps is always going to be the standard for open world games.

Based on what assumption? It is entirely possible to do open world games at 60fps. Maybe not this particular one. The developer likely has their reasons for not pushing 60fps at a lower resolution. Probably couldn't have both for this.

Don't blanket the entire "open world game" subgenre because of one title.

 

[purbeast0]

and burnout paradise was 60fps and it's an open world racing game, so his point is moot.

 

[futurefields]

I said 30fps is the standard for open world games, not the law. most open world games are in the 30fps ballpark on consoles. far cry games, gta games, assassins creed games, saints row games, watch dog games, the previous forza horizon is 30fps etc...

 

[dguy6789]

You can make a game look a hell of a lot better with a 30fps target than 60. No point in 60fps unless it's some sort of twitch action game that requires ultra precise motion imo.

 

[cmdrdredd]

For the record...racing games always benefit from 60fps. It gives you a much better sense of speed and translates your inputs faster on screen.


Again I will repeat myself that this doesn't have to make any game bad.

 

[Lil Frier]

The thing that would keep me from Horizon 2 is nothing to do with visuals. If they again price gouge the hell out of their customers, giving a $50 DLC Season Pass of cars, I'm done with Forza forever. It's such trash to make people miss out on Achievements because they don't want to pay $50 for 60 cars they'll never drive.

 

[purbeast0]

The thing that would keep me from Horizon 2 is nothing to do with visuals. If they again price gouge the hell out of their customers, giving a $50 DLC Season Pass of cars, I'm done with Forza forever. It's such trash to make people miss out on Achievements because they don't want to pay $50 for 60 cars they'll never drive.

wut?

i bought horizon for $20 or $30 on some sale and didn't have to spend a dime extra to play the full game. dlc is what you make of it. infact i've probably spent about $50 total on dlc content ever - 2 hot shots golf courses, the burnout paradise addition, and the AE update for SSF4. no one is forcing you to get dlc.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The thing that would keep me from Horizon 2 is nothing to do with visuals. If they again price gouge the hell out of their customers, giving a $50 DLC Season Pass of cars, I'm done with Forza forever. It's such trash to make people miss out on Achievements because they don't want to pay $50 for 60 cars they'll never drive.

Achievements are no reason to play or avoid a game.

One of my pet peeves is someone trashing an otherwise good game because of achievements.

 

[futurefields]

Hes trashing the DLC policy not achievements. I agree with his sentiment there is nothing more annoying than buying a game and then seeing a bunch of ads in the game to buy the rest of the game. When you purchase the game you should be getting the whole thing, if developers want to add more content they should consider it an incentive to get more people to play the game, and to keep existing players interested, not punish those who arent willing to pay $85 for a game.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Hes trashing the DLC policy not achievements. I agree with his sentiment there is nothing more annoying than buying a game and then seeing a bunch of ads in the game to buy the rest of the game. When you purchase the game you should be getting the whole thing, if developers want to add more content they should consider it an incentive to get more people to play the game, and to keep existing players interested, not punish those who arent willing to pay $85 for a game.

He said its trash for someone to miss out on achievements because they don't buy dlc. It is your choice...dlc is always optional. You do get the whole game. The idea that you somehow feel entitled to get content free after the game is released is false. We have been over this for months about forza 5. They pushed to get a launch game. None of the content released afterwards was worked on during main development. They didn't build all the car packs and decide "we will just sell these here and keep them out of the game at launch".

There is a legit complaint about lack of content, the number of tracks in forza 5 is disappointing. However, to complain about cars being released as dlc is preposterous when it was announced that there would be dlc car packs and a season pass. We knew about it long before the game hit the shelves.

 

[Wingznut]

I agree with his sentiment there is nothing more annoying than buying a game and then seeing a bunch of ads in the game to buy the rest of the game.

I don't see anything in his post about "a bunch of ads in the game"... Besides, where does any of the Forza offerings have in-game advertisements for DLC?

 

[cmdrdredd]

I don't see anything in his post about "a bunch of ads in the game"... Besides, where does any of the Forza offerings have in-game advertisements for DLC?

They don't and the closest thing there is are some cars shown in the showroom but you have to have the dlc to buy it in the game. The car says dlc next to it.

Really though. Nobody should be surprised, shocked, or disgusted when they find out a game has dlc. Every release I can remember in the past few years has had dlc. We always know about it prior to release too, including many times what the dlc will give us should we buy it. I expect it at this point and I don't really buy it myself because I never feel compelled to do so nor do I feel cheated. A lot of times I feel the dlc is actually good and I am glad that devs have a way to extend the gameplay a bit and I feel they should be compensated for their work on it. That isn't to say I have to buy it, it is optional after all.

I expect though that when forza 6 hits and it has more content than forza 4 and 5 combined, people will forget all about how limited forza 5 was due to the time constraints. The same people who say turn 10 and Microsoft are crooks and that gran turismo has more content and doesn't rip you off for cars, will change their tune to "forza is the best".

 

[futurefields]

The whole concept of DLC just needs to dissapear. Maybe Forza Horizon 2 will buck this trend but somehow, I doubt it.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The whole concept of DLC just needs to dissapear. Maybe Forza Horizon 2 will buck this trend but somehow, I doubt it.

So you want extra missions, levels, characters etc all for free then or what?

DLC is a way for a developer to extend the life of a game beyond the initial play through. I honestly can't find a problem with that concept.

 

[futurefields]

Especially in online based games DLC needs to dissapear. The only DLC im ok with is cosmetic stuff that doesnt change the gameplay or matchmaking.

 

[Lil Frier]

I don't mind DLC when it's meaningful. Thing is, I like to aim for completing Achievements; it's something fun for me to do. I like to have things completed when I can. So, when games add the DLC Achievements to a game, and they're on your record when you don't even HAVE the DLC, it annoys me.

However, that's not what would keep me from buying Horizon, it's just one of the negatives. The thing that really gets me is WHAT YOU GET for that $50 Season Pass on Forza 5. You get 60 cars...why? I mean, that HAS to be the biggest rip-off for DLC ever, IMO. They take the 500 cars in Forza 4, scale it back to 200, then add just 60 for another $50? For $110, you can JUST get past half the car count of the previous installment.

If they were doing something like a quarter per-car, or $25 for 100 cars, I could possibly live with it. However, nearly a dollar per-car is such an outrageous price, and I can't stand it.

Personally, my lifetime DLC purchases on console are pretty small. I think I got the Halo 2 maps, one Halo 3 map pack, and 2 songs on Rock Band 2, so it's maybe $50 total. My typical response is to wait for a GotY edition of a game (like I did with Borderlands 2), THEN buy the game with its DLC.

I don't think DLC needs to disappear, but the business model is terrible. $50 for the CoD Season Pass is wretched. At least Watch Dogs and Titanfall keep it to $20 and $25, respectively.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I don't mind DLC when it's meaningful. Thing is, I like to aim for completing Achievements; it's something fun for me to do. I like to have things completed when I can. So, when games add the DLC Achievements to a game, and they're on your record when you don't even HAVE the DLC, it annoys me.

However, that's not what would keep me from buying Horizon, it's just one of the negatives. The thing that really gets me is WHAT YOU GET for that $50 Season Pass on Forza 5. You get 60 cars...why? I mean, that HAS to be the biggest rip-off for DLC ever, IMO. They take the 500 cars in Forza 4, scale it back to 200, then add just 60 for another $50? For $110, you can JUST get past half the car count of the previous installment.

If they were doing something like a quarter per-car, or $25 for 100 cars, I could possibly live with it. However, nearly a dollar per-car is such an outrageous price, and I can't stand it.

Personally, my lifetime DLC purchases on console are pretty small. I think I got the Halo 2 maps, one Halo 3 map pack, and 2 songs on Rock Band 2, so it's maybe $50 total. My typical response is to wait for a GotY edition of a game (like I did with Borderlands 2), THEN buy the game with its DLC.

I don't think DLC needs to disappear, but the business model is terrible. $50 for the CoD Season Pass is wretched. At least Watch Dogs and Titanfall keep it to $20 and $25, respectively.

No, they had to redesign every vehicle for the new engine. Every one, in every detail they wanted to fit in the game. They didn't scale back anything, they started clean slate.