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The official AMD Piledriver Discussion Thread

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Discuss anything about the upcoming Piledriver series of CPUs from AMD here.

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What's the point of this? Everything that can be discussed has already been discussed.

Piledriver will be faster and a better performer per watt than Bulldozer (as proven by the Trinity reviews), but it's not going to suddenly put AMD on even ground with Intel. In the very best case scenario, AMD might be able to return as a viable budget alternative.

Meanwhile, many of Bulldozer's fatal flaws will remain, and won't be addressed until 2014 at the earliest in the "high end" space (and depending who you ask, never).

There's not much more to say until more information surfaces.

At any rate, Haswell is looking to be far more interesting as far as pure CPU peformance and features go. There's next to no information on what Kaveri is bringing to the table, but it's likely that Vishera will only be appetizing to people that already own an AM3 board. Given how long Vishera will have to weather against Ivy Bridge and Haswell, I only see Vishera being considerably enticing in the scenario that it scaled all the way down to inexpensive dual core parts.
 
I'd buy one. Unfortunately I mistakenly bought an AM3 motherboard instead of an AM3+ motherboard when I upgraded to a 1090T. Oh well. Guess I won't be upgrading for a while.
 
Anything? It is an upcoming CPU from AMD. All discussions from this point on should only discuss this fact and this fact alone. I will start.

Did you guys hear about the Piledriver CPU from AMD? It's coming out in the future.

OK. Your turn.
 
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Anything? It is an upcoming CPU from AMD. All discussions from this point on should only discuss this fact and this fact alone. I will start.

Did you guys hear about the Piledriver CPU from AMD? It's coming out in the future.

OK. Your turn.
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It will be very efficient at simulating a wave of vomit hiting you in the face upon realizing it's staggering lack of power and potential.
 
Homeles said:
What's the point of this? Everything that can be discussed has already been discussed.

Piledriver will be faster and a better performer per watt than Bulldozer (as proven by the Trinity reviews), but it's not going to suddenly put AMD on even ground with Intel. In the very best case scenario, AMD might be able to return as a viable budget alternative.

Meanwhile, many of Bulldozer's fatal flaws will remain, and won't be addressed until 2014 at the earliest in the "high end" space (and depending who you ask, never).

There's not much more to say until more information surfaces.

At any rate, Haswell is looking to be far more interesting as far as pure CPU peformance and features go. There's next to no information on what Kaveri is bringing to the table, but it's likely that Vishera will only be appetizing to people that already own an AM3 board. Given how long Vishera will have to weather against Ivy Bridge and Haswell, I only see Vishera being considerably enticing in the scenario that it scaled all the way down to inexpensive dual core parts.
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"What's the point of this?"

Says the guy who wrote a paragraph related to the topic.

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I don't want more cores. AMD has 8 already. What I would like from AMD is simply a better performing processor.

Intel still makes the fastest out there - by quite a bit. I would like a more competitive AMD processor. I have a 965 and a new 8150 and neither hold a candle to the 6 core Intel that I have. Neither hold a candle to the 3770k either, I believe.

So please don't give me 10 or 12 or 16 cores. Give me a CPU that is 25% faster and 4 cores. 25% faster and 8 cores would be fine too. Put something up there that competes with Intel.
 
Im not sure what to say.... I dont think Piledriver will be that big a hit.
Honestly the only thing that really intrests me is the "RCM technology" (Resonant Clock Mesh) in it.

Intel has superior fab's => lower node tech (ei. 14nm vs 22nm ect), their always a step ahead =>
better performance/watt.

AMD doing out of the box thinking, and somehow makeing use of thise RCM to lower power usage seems pretty neat.

http://en.wikinoticia.com/Technolog...ergy-recovery-technology-to-overcome-the-4ghz

The total energy savings achieved by this technology in integrated circuit chip design dependent and is estimated between 5 and 30%, although the specific case of Piledriver gets reduced to a range between 5 and 10%.
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So with Piledriver it ll only save like 5-10%, but maybe later versions will work better?
A 30% power reduction would be insanely good if possible.


Cyclos on amd's implimentation:
"Cyclos resonant clock mesh technology employs on-chip inductors to create an electric pendulum, or 'tank circuit', formed by the large capacitance of the clock mesh in parallel with the Cyclos inductors," Cyclos explains. "The Cyclos inductors and clock control circuits 'recycle' the clock power instead of dissipating it on every clock cycle like in a clock tree implementation, which results in a reduction in total IC power consumption of up to 10 percent."
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Cyclos and AMD didn't go into too much detail about Piledriver, though they did say it will consist of a 4GHz+ x86-64 core built on a 32nm CMOS process.
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I for one think its intresting.
I would personally love to see FinFET technologies (ei. Intel's 3D trasistor) used on AMD cpus as well... since it gives such a huge reduction in power use.
 
actually, i think the title of the thread should be "Vishera discussion thread" as that's what the PD CPUs for the desktop are going to be named.
 
From what I remember, there were two things that Bulldozer got right: idle power draw - which was lower than the 1100T, and thread scaling - the 2nd integer core adds about 60-80% more parallel performance per module, depending on the app.

But there were two things Bulldozer got wrong: lower IPC, and load power draw.

I've accepted the fact that Piledriver's IPC improvements will likely not catch up to Sandy/Ivy Bridge, since apparently, lower IPC was by design. But I would like to see clocks increased so that IPS is at a respectable level. And I would like to see the load power consumption lowered. If Vishera/Piledriver can meet these improvements, then AMD will have something worth talking about.

Oh, and I wouldn't mind having moar cores. I like playing with moar cores and seeing how many tasks I can parallelize. I'll take an 8M/16C Vishera to play with.
 
Don't think we will see more than 4 module FX anytime soon, AMD removed 5 module designs from their roadmap some time ago.

Seems like it will be at least a couple of months before we can get retail Piledriver FX results. I agree with you Eeqmcsq, how much IPS has gone up and load power per MHz has gone down will be the key information to get.
 
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From what I remember, there were two things that Bulldozer got right: idle power draw - which was lower than the 1100T, and thread scaling - the 2nd integer core adds about 60-80% more parallel performance per module, depending on the app. But there were two things Bulldozer got wrong: lower IPC, and load power draw. I've accepted the fact that Piledriver's IPC improvements will likely not catch up to Sandy/Ivy Bridge, since apparently, lower IPC was by design. But I would like to see clocks increased so that IPS is at a respectable level. And I would like to see the load power consumption lowered. If Vishera/Piledriver can meet these improvements, then AMD will have something worth talking about. Oh, and I wouldn't mind having moar cores. I like playing with moar cores and seeing how many tasks I can parallelize. I'll take an 8M/16C Vishera to play with.
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I agree.

I am not sure if amds cpus turn off unused cores but it would be cool if there was a way to manually turn unused cores off when in windows power management.
 
Oh, and I wouldn't mind having moar cores. I like playing with moar cores and seeing how many tasks I can parallelize. I'll take an 8M/16C Vishera to play with.
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eeek.... Im kinda hopeing things slow down abit with the core count.
Very few applications use more than 4 threads, or 8threads.
Adding more, will result in huge wastes (big dies, little to no improvement = bad idea).

Let AMD do that more core's stuff for the server markets that want to run virtual machines ect.
Keep the CPU for normal users at 4M/8T as it is, but work on getting it to run faster.

What Im hopeing happends:

1) remove cache (huge cache => dies too big => to little profits/Cost to much for consumer)
2) improve cache speeds (slow compaired to intel)
3) improve load power
4) improve IPC
 
I think a lot of people here will only measure it against Intel's best, if it is still slower than a 4.8GHz Sandy/Ivy, then it'll be a failure. We can just about guarantee it will be slower than an overclocked Intel chip. But, I think that if it can improve on some of Bulldozer's weaknesses in a meaningfull way, then it may yet be a decent chip for the masses. It may even find its way into enthusiast setups if it can clock high enough (wouldn't hold my breath on that, but you never know).
 
No Username: Do you work for AMD? Just curious.

As for Piledriver, let me say I bought an Asus 990FX Sabertooth mb in anticipation of Bulldozer. My mistake. Great mb but Bulldozer was not close to the promises made. I think AMD will be VERY tight lipped about Piledriver. No secret midnight testing in a far away lab to set the world record etc.

The best I can tell from what I read, Piledriver will release in Q4 with the highest performing CPU being an 8350 at 4Ghz stock and 4.2Ghz Turbo. In my opinion if it is a noticeable improvement from the 1100T (Bulldozer was not), then AMD has succeeded. If it is close to SandyBridge and offers decent OCing it will be gobbled up by those still owning AM3+ mbs
 
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I would expect Piledriver to give the Phenom II an all-round spanking in terms of performance while using a bit less power and for a reasonable price. I say "expect" because that's what I would expect in a sane world. I expected it from Bulldozer, and look how that turned out.

I would be pleasantly surprised if Piledriver beat the Core i7-2600K in a similar way that I described previously with the Phenom II. It ought to be able to spank the Core i5.

I'm not very hopeful. I think the only person left in AMD's desktop CPU R&D department is the intern they forgot to transfer along with everyone else.
 
I have an amd fx4100 and it was a decent upgrade for my athlon II 620. It doesn't use much more power so I wasn't bothered there but the 8000's seem to use quite a bit more. If they can get an 8 core with similar power to the fx4100 and have it at 4GHz stock I'll be ecstatic.
 
Come to think of it, already PileDriver seems to be taking a different turn to BD, for the better.

How? It isnt being hyped up as an FX performance part, unlike BD. That was one of AMD's biggest mistakes with BD I think - hyping it up and trying to sell it to us, the gamers. Had they marketed it differently, sure I still think it would have been disappointing, but not as disappointing. The fact that they are not hyping it up does lead me to believe its not going to blow Intel away though. I imagine power consumption will improve, overclocking headroom +10% or so, and IPC increase of 5% average. If that. IPC increase will hardly be noticeable I think.

If they can get the cost low enough, it wont be a bad CPU, but will never compete with Intel's finest.

EDIT: Perhaps what it may do, if AMD is lucky, is give Intel a run for their money in the server market. That may even be a bigger win for them.
 
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