The NV20 ABSOLUTELY must SUCK....

[RoboTECH]

otherwise, I'll end up buying one, and i won't have anyone to argue with.

I mean, how the hell can I get through a week without bitch$lapping Ben, BFG and Doomguy?

<giggles>

 

[Weyoun]

heh, ur a damn $hitstirrer RoboTECH

 

[TuffGuy]

RoboTECH - <smirk> well said, well said...

 

[BenSkywalker]

This has to be a tough time for Robo, first UT is better on nV, and now Quake3.

Pretty soon he will only have MS FlightSim 2001 to point to

 

[Bartman39]

Hehe this is better than a soap-opera

 

[RoboTECH]

<< This has to be a tough time for Robo, first UT is better on nV >>



sorry Ben, it's not.

 

[han888]

The NV20 ABSOLUTELY must SUCK....

how do u know? do u have the card already?? and run the card? ohh welll, i will said voodoo7 3000 sucks then

 

[Deeko]

Personally, I could care less which company has the good card. I bought a V5. I don't think the V5 is the best all around card, I think the Radeon is. But it was the best for what I wanted, so I got it. If the nv20 is the best(and assuming I even get a new card), I'll get it. If rampage is best, I'll get it. And so on. I may argue for 3dfx now, but that's because they get WAAY to much riducle here. They aren't as bad as people make them out to be.

 

[BFG10K]

Heck I'll be happy if they fix S3TC in all the games that experience problems with it. Maybe a selectable compression control panel so you can pick which sized textures to compress.

Oh yeah and Max Quality in Quake 3 at 1600 x 1200 getting 120 fps sounds pretty sweet too.

 

[RoboTECH]

han8888, I was joking. The point is that I would be bored if I didn't argue with bfg and ben all the time

BFG - I like both of your suggestions. Those types of things would please me as well.

 

[han888]

never mind robo, anyway, i like to see your people to discuss about video card! it's improve my knowledge anyway

 

[BenSkywalker]

Robo-

&quot;sorry Ben, it's not.&quot;

Huh? Have you gone blind man????

BFG-

&quot;Heck I'll be happy if they fix S3TC in all the games that experience problems with it.&quot;

Which games? Quake3 is a game bug, one that the fix has been figured out for. Since FAKK, SoF and ST:EF all use the Quake3 engine, the fix also works for them. Don't know what it is that nVidia should fix?? Teach people how to code properly???

 

[Harrisment]

SimmaDownNaa

 

[TAsunder]

They need to fix that problem where one processor is better than 4 or whatever.

 

[Wingznut]

LOL @ Harrisment!

 

[RoboTECH]

Ben, i'm talking about the large fps difference between the 2

i'm also talking about the stability difference 'tween the two

and the &quot;low&quot; framerate difference (mianly) between the two.

and as far as the &quot;coding properly&quot; comment goes, it would be nice if nvidia could learn how to code properly, since the GeForce FAQ is full of bug fixes and driver workarounds.
I notice that no other cards had problems with Q3's TC, BTW.

 

[classy]

It will probably be an awesome card. But this scenario is probably more like it............

nvidia: The Nv 20 is fastest card on the planet. It even has features that we believe will be very useful in the future. And it will be affordable!

Hardcore gamer: I am just salivating at the performance! I must have one! How much does it cost?

nvidia: Ahemm.........Well we are running a special, for just a Kidney, you can have the NV 20 II. For a Kidney and an Arm you can have the NV 20 II Pro. But this is not all. For the low, low, low, price of a Kidney, an Arm, and only one lung you can the NV 20 Ultra. Shipping and Handling will come to small fee of $400-$500. This is a small price to pay for &quot;world changing performance&quot;!

Hardcore gamer: Man, I can swing the body parts for the Ultra. If I am going to give a body part or parts, might as well get the best! But that Shipping and handling fee might be a problem. Hey how much will you give me for my soul?

nvidia: Your soul? We are an Ethical company. If we took your soul it would make us seem greedy. Besides we can't make any money right away off your soul, but your body parts will cause our stock to go through the roof! Are there any other questions?

 

[RoboTECH]

classy : ROFL!!!!!!

 

[Weyoun]

lol @ classy!

 

[HigherGround]

hey thats better than what 3dfx is charging for its newset engineering wonder ( yes the 6000 ). It seems like the eager fans that wish to own the foot-long will have to work for it as male prostitues in red districts of several major metropolitan areas ( to be announced by 3dfx PR ). Also in related news, Bubba the PR master in 3dfx, will become the head pimp ( a.k.a the the voodoo pimpolator) for the entire operation....Man I guess i'll be buying G800

 

[RoboTECH]

&quot;Voodoo Pimpilator&quot;

hehe...I love this board....

 

[mikelou26]

why dont you all just shut up
until the card comes out next year then wait
and judge it later
fools

 

[BFG10K]

Since FAKK, SoF and ST:EF all use the Quake3 engine, the fix also works for them.

It does? Cool.

Don't know what it is that nVidia should fix?? Teach people how to code properly???

I think what ATi did was a good idea but they also needed to give people the choice whether or not they wanted to compress 128 x 128 textures. That's where my control panel idea comes in.

why dont you all just shut up

You shut up mikelou26. Nobody is forcing you to read/post in this thread. Take your troll spamming somewhere else.

 

[Weyoun]

those are some good ideas of your BFG, I really would like to see more control over texture compression, it really isn't that well documented under games and drivers, if at all, even though it is a major factor in performance...

And yeah because those games are basically just mods of Q3 with a chop and change here and there, they basically share the same .exe, so start fraggin Borg in TC sweetness

EDIT: People (gotta be polically correct in this world ), if we could be a little more tolerant of newcomers here, im sure these forums would be a more pleasent place, just give mikelou a bit of slack.

mikelou, again, try to be a bit more considerate of the people on these boards, we're all curious little cookies, and if we can get an image of what the NV20 will look like, we can all have dreams (ok, well maybe not dreams ) of NV20 sweetness before it is even released. It is a part of the human psychi to be curious, and if we can have a repeat of our NV15 prediction, we'll be able to nail the NV20 specs at least a few weeks before release

Remember, live and let live people, we dont need a battleground here...

 

[BenSkywalker]

Robo-

&quot;Ben, i'm talking about the large fps difference between the 2&quot;

There is a decent FPS difference, but 3dfx may be able to straighten this out. It is rather embarassing for their current flagship to lose out by 10% to the now year old GeForce DDR.

&quot;i'm also talking about the stability difference 'tween the two&quot;

This has been one of 3dfx's weakest points for some time. Many of the top workstation manufacturers who would never think of dropping a 3dfx board into their workstations now ship nV as either the default or optional equiptment. Give 3dfx time though, with their financial difficulties it is understandable that they can't afford the level of talent that nV has.

&quot;and the &quot;low&quot; framerate difference (mianly) between the two.&quot;

Yes, this is becoming a serious issue for 3dfx users. Their latest and greatest again getting beaten by the year old GF DDR, losing by ~10% to the GF2 and getting spanked by the Radeon. Pretty sad but they may be able to turn it around.

&quot;and as far as the &quot;coding properly&quot; comment goes, it would be nice if nvidia could learn how to code properly, since the GeForce FAQ is full of bug fixes and driver workarounds.&quot;

Beta driver issues are definately around for nV, of course that is why they are beta. What bug fixes exactly? With the exception of certain people having issues with the Det3 6.13, what other official driver revision has been buggy? Almost all of the people who have problems with official drivers are OCing their machines, something the V5 is known for having problems with itself.

nVidia has the best, hands down, driver team for videocards. Noone else can come close to their across the board support. Win2K? Linux? nVidia blows everyone else away, it isn't close. Win98 people seem to have problems running beta drivers or with out of spec systems.

&quot;I notice that no other cards had problems with Q3's TC, BTW.&quot;

I noticed S3 boards having some serious issues of their own. Of course, this makes sense as they developed a technique to be used broadly, not a special implementation for one game. Disable TC for Quake3 on a V5 and your FPS fall through the floor, far worse then any nV board. nVidia's hardware is built to spec, and hence runs things that utilize it properly just fine(see UT). This was id's bug, by patching the game, not the drivers the issue was fixed.