The next four years will contain the biggest executive power grab in American history

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  1. yllus

    yllus Lifer<BR>Elite Member

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    I thought the article below was very well thought out - faced with an exceptionally obstructionist Congress, the White House tired of getting nowhere has also begun to game the system to get what it was after. There are consequences, though, and a return to reason seems unlikely.

    And, if it's not clear, this is everyone's fault.

    The Daily Beast - President Obama&#8217;s Executive Power Grab

     
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  2. Tom

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    Really ?
    Bigger than FDR during WW2 ?
    Teddy Roosevelt fighting corporate monopolies ?
    Lincoln and the civil war and Emancipation ?
    Johnson and Vietnam ?
    Andrew Jackson defying the Supreme Court ?
     
  3. Texashiker

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    Who needs congress when the president has executive orders?
     
  4. yllus

    yllus Lifer<BR>Elite Member

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    The point isn't whether or not the thread title is 100% accurate - it's just the lead in to the contents of the article. But even so, ruling almost exclusively through presidential motions must be a contender.
     
  5. Ausm

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    That's what saved us with the rampant Republican obstructionism.
     
  6. Jimzz

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    You're right, its not even close to being accurate, let alone 100%.
     
  7. sigurros81

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    lol. Pwn3d.
     
  8. DaveSimmons

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    I read this in Newsweek at the dentist last week, interesting stuff.

    The most obstructionist Republican congressmen in history spawn the most executive-order using president as a response.

    Both sides might not be happy with the results if power shifts in the future:
    - Republicans have shown that you can abuse filibusters and reject all compromises to successfully block congress from accomplishing anything
    - Democrats have shown you can work around that to a certain extent by abusing executive orders.

    A future Republican senate majority might find they can't do anything without a super-majority, or face a Democratic house that rejects all deals.

    A future Republican president might give Democrats a taste of their own executive-order sidestepping of congress.
     
  9. yllus

    yllus Lifer<BR>Elite Member

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    I stand by the thread title, but I do regret that it may lead some to not read or comment upon the piece itself. Personally I think you ignore it at your own loss.
     
  10. Hayabusa Rider

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    I'd suggest more than Johnson, and more than most others when not at war. No, the present squabbles don't count. If Congress does not do what Obama and his party want, then the Constitution certainly won't get in his way, especially after he selects his pets for the SCOTUS. Ever after the President will effectively be ruler, brushing away opposition as desired. Democrats, remember that like the Republicans before you that there is no party preference for power. Eventually what you want can be undone, and you blame everyone but yourselves and weep bitter tears, for such is your well earned reward along with the scorn of others.
     
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    Can we get this read out loud in Darth Vader's voice, or the Emperor's.
     
  12. techs

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    This is why you can't talk to a Republican. They live in an alternate reality.

    Bush and the Republicans have been pushing for the Imperial Presidency for years. Heck, it goes back to Nixon.

    Their idea is we have been doing it wrong since 1787. The President has all the power. All Congress can do is give him money and he gets to spend it any way he wants.

    Now, the Republicans are arguing that Obama is going to expand Presidential power?

    Yes, Republicans are a combination of flat out stupid and brainwashed.
     
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    Almost as good as PJ's claim that the biggest tax hike in American history is coming in January.
     
  14. HomerJS

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    more fear mongering about what Obama might do??

    That's all u guys got??

    Check back with the NRA. What happened to the gun grab?
     
  15. Phokus

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    They explained it already! You see, Obama is a sneaky little fucker, he didn't gun grab the first term, so he could do it in his SECOND term :p (a thing conservatives actually believe).
     
  16. jagec

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    Replace "Obama" with "Bush" and swap "Democrat" and "Republican" in your little rant, re-read it, and realize that you reap what you sow.
     
  17. jpeyton

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    Bigger than a war over WMDs?

    Do tell.
     
  18. yllus

    yllus Lifer<BR>Elite Member

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    I think it's an entirely reasonable piece, and not at all Obama's fault in isolation. He has been driven to these lengths by an extraordinarily uncooperative Republican-led Congress. In the short term, even I think that what he is doing is right. The only question is what this means for the country in the long term.
     
  19. HomerJS

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    Actually considering GOP stonewalling I don't blame him either. Bit of a power grab is in order but to break out that "greatest in history" bullshit is just hyperbole
     
  20. Socio

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    Yes, unlike them he has the MSM backing him and the voting majority in his pocket.

    Not only that he will get to appoint 2-3 new supreme court justices he won't have to defy them, they will do his bidding!
     
  21. Ausm

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    Here's the dirty little secret the Right don't like to discuss. GWB used the executive order twice as much as President Obama ever has to this date.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...orders#George_W._Bush_.282001.E2.80.932009.29
     
  22. Lemon law

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    My comment about Obama's dream act, is somewhat tempered by both the lack of congressional action, and the Obama record of actually enforcing immigration laws.

    As GWB and other previous Presidents, loved to express their outrage at the 12 million mainly Hispanic immigrants who sneaked into this country, but when it came to allocating the Federal law enforcement officials, those Presidents were totally missing in action. Simply because there is also a political consideration. In the fact that many American farmers need and rely on below minimum wage to harvest their crops. And large American Corporations save huge bucks also without violating the law. Simply because they wink wink, get their cheap and illegal Mexicans labor by hiring subcontractors who break the law for them. As huge meatpacking plants simply lose 90% of their labor source any time Immigration officials check their green cards. But cheer up, a few months later they simply hire more illegal immigrants.

    But still in terms of enforcing immigration laws, Obama's record is way better than any of his predecessors by 40% or so. Nor can Obama enforce immigration laws all by himself, as congressional budgets severely limit the Federal law enforcement resources he has.

    Which is why I fail to be impressed by the argument of Yellus. Because when the resources are finite, its the job of the executive to determine how to prioritize which sets of illegal immigrants to try to deport first.

    And there is yet another fact to mention. In the fact that many illegal immigrants of all races try to sneak into the USA to give birth. And by US law dating back to our founding fathers, such children receive automatic US citizenship. Even if they are forced to go back from where they came with their illegal mothers. But when those children reach the age of 18 or 21, they can simply openly and legally cross into this country as
    full US citizens. As it also makes general common sense to favor US immigrants that are well educated.
     
  23. Tom

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    Who was it that ascribed to the idea a President can sign a law then attach a note or something and only enforce the parts he wants to ?

    Wasn't that George W Bush, Attorny general Gonzalez, and John Yoo ?

    What did Romney say about that ? And why would he protect liberties more than Obama ?
     
  24. jagec

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    Yeah, that didn't work out too well for H.W. Bush, did it?

    You have no clue how the Supreme Court works.
     
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