The new military funding way.
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The reason why........
The Clinton-Gore administration inherited a fleet of more than 500 ships. In 1993, it announced a plan to shrink the armada to 346. But eventually, even that floor was breached as the defense budget tumbled during the 1990s.
Adm. Clark recently told the House and Senate Armed Services committees that the Navy is not building enough ships to maintain the current 315-ship fleet. Navy experts say ships are going to sea without critical working components and, in some cases, remaining deployed longer than the normal six months.
The Clinton-Gore administration inherited a fleet of more than 500 ships. In 1993, it announced a plan to shrink the armada to 346. But eventually, even that floor was breached as the defense budget tumbled during the 1990s.
Adm. Clark recently told the House and Senate Armed Services committees that the Navy is not building enough ships to maintain the current 315-ship fleet. Navy experts say ships are going to sea without critical working components and, in some cases, remaining deployed longer than the normal six months.
Czar: I assume that the title is "funding".
Hey, if the idiots...er, voters in this country elect Gore, the Navy might just have to do that.
Hey, if the idiots...er, voters in this country elect Gore, the Navy might just have to do that.
The new Pentium 3: Making your Air-Force jets fly and access the internet almost 50% faster!
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)Actually when you think about it, its a good idea.
Back in WWII towns in Russia would sponsor fighters & tanks, so then a tank would then have a Smolensk (or what ever) coat-of-arms on it & some writing underneath saying 'This tank is donated (as in financed) by the good people of Smolensk to help the Nazis be driven out of the motherland' or something like that.
Back in WWII towns in Russia would sponsor fighters & tanks, so then a tank would then have a Smolensk (or what ever) coat-of-arms on it & some writing underneath saying 'This tank is donated (as in financed) by the good people of Smolensk to help the Nazis be driven out of the motherland' or something like that.
Just a matter of time until the Environmental Wackos want to ban advertising on airplanes, just like billboards!
Imagine the next War Movie....Subway Squadron! or The Belly Bombers! or Ronald McDonald's Heroes
...Somehow that just don't sound right...
Imagine the next War Movie....Subway Squadron! or The Belly Bombers! or Ronald McDonald's Heroes
...Somehow that just don't sound right...
etech
It seems in a blurb I heard in the comentary on the Cole bombing,some battleships have an aluminum hull? I hope that isn't so. Would you know anything about that? And in light of the Cole bombing, Is 1/2 inch plate thick enough? I think not. Must be weight consideration. I'll bet the engineers are rethinking ship design. A 500 lb bomb opening a 20x40 foot hole in the side of a battleship seems we are quite vulnarable.
But I am ex Air Force. You know much more about USN.
It seems in a blurb I heard in the comentary on the Cole bombing,some battleships have an aluminum hull? I hope that isn't so. Would you know anything about that? And in light of the Cole bombing, Is 1/2 inch plate thick enough? I think not. Must be weight consideration. I'll bet the engineers are rethinking ship design. A 500 lb bomb opening a 20x40 foot hole in the side of a battleship seems we are quite vulnarable.
But I am ex Air Force. You know much more about USN.
Tripleshot: Ships aren't built anymore with heavy armor which is why the Iowa class battleships (which are now deactivated, largest warships other than carriers are cruisers) were such an anomaly in the fleet when they were around a few years back -- 24 inch armor plating! Now, they build them lighter so they can move faster. However, they suck up one missile (or, in this case, a bomb), and they're gone. In fact, I remember hearing that the Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates were specifically designed to have large infrared signatures so they can fulfill their role as missile sponges in lieu of having one of those hit the carrier -- think of them as big flares. I think that conventional design wisdom is that it's much easier to increase the size of a missile warhead to where it will always defeat whatever armor they put on a ship. So, you make the ship faster and spend the money on electronics and defense systems. I'm not entirely sure that's wise, but then I'm not in charge.
Actually, one of the problems they had on the USS Stark when it was hit by Iran is that the aluminum actually caught on fire and was very difficult to extinguish. The other problem they had is that the sailors patent leather shoes melted onto their feet, which is why leather is the only material allowed now. Ouch.
Actually, one of the problems they had on the USS Stark when it was hit by Iran is that the aluminum actually caught on fire and was very difficult to extinguish. The other problem they had is that the sailors patent leather shoes melted onto their feet, which is why leather is the only material allowed now. Ouch.
AndrewR
Thanks for the heads up on that. I have been aboard aircraft carriers and 1 battleship up in rhode Island years ago. I thought the carriers had some thick plate as I was taking welding courses to work in the shipyards in Long beach that made the plate. (I never took that job,I like computers more) The plate was much thicker than 1/2 inch!
I can understand the nee for speeed and manuverability,but I never would have thought what happened to the USS Cole could happen. To me its unthinkable. I can understand a missile or a torpedeo but a rubber dingy with an estimated 500 lbs making a whole that big? My man,our Navy is vulnarable to the max!! That dingy killed 17 and damn near sunk the ship right there in the harbor! A hole 20x40 feet is as big as some peoples homes!
I would think anything around the water line needs some serious retro-fit of thicker armor and never again pull into a foreign controled port for fuel in one of our war wagons. Send in a tender and transfer the fuel at sea. This was a big mistake. What was navy intelligence doing when that ship pulled into aben harbor? It's not like we didn't know terrorists who hate us live in the regeon,for krist sake.
Thanks for the heads up on that. I have been aboard aircraft carriers and 1 battleship up in rhode Island years ago. I thought the carriers had some thick plate as I was taking welding courses to work in the shipyards in Long beach that made the plate. (I never took that job,I like computers more) The plate was much thicker than 1/2 inch!
I can understand the nee for speeed and manuverability,but I never would have thought what happened to the USS Cole could happen. To me its unthinkable. I can understand a missile or a torpedeo but a rubber dingy with an estimated 500 lbs making a whole that big? My man,our Navy is vulnarable to the max!! That dingy killed 17 and damn near sunk the ship right there in the harbor! A hole 20x40 feet is as big as some peoples homes!
I would think anything around the water line needs some serious retro-fit of thicker armor and never again pull into a foreign controled port for fuel in one of our war wagons. Send in a tender and transfer the fuel at sea. This was a big mistake. What was navy intelligence doing when that ship pulled into aben harbor? It's not like we didn't know terrorists who hate us live in the regeon,for krist sake.
"A senior retired Navy officer said, "As the force has been stretched too thin, it requires commanders to change some operational behavior, not always to the advantage of the United States Navy."
"The military's readiness woes have gone front and center in the presidential campaign. Republican George W. Bush argues that a decade of budget cuts and increased deployments have left the armed forces worn out and ill equipped."
"Adm. Vern Clark, the chief of naval operations, said at the Pentagon yesterday that the Navy is short on the type of oiler that can refuel the Cole and other warships at sea."
"Pentagon officials said refueling stops in Yemen were started by U.S. Central Command in July 1999 as a way to establish strategic relations with a generally U.S.-friendly Yemeni government. The Cole's stop was the 12th for a U.S. warship."
Washington Times
Destroyers have historically been thin-skinned for speed, maneuverability and range. The are nicknamed tin cans for a reason. If fact their original name was torpedo boat destroyer. They were designed to deal with the small torpedo boats that were built when torpedoes first were developed. Andrew has done a good job of filling in the basics of destroyer design.
I am curious also at the amount of damage but enough C4 in a shaped charge configuration can be devastating. I believe US torpedo warheads in WWII only carried 300 lbs. of explosive. With 500 lbs. of a modern higher grade explosive I can see the damage inflicted as being possible.
"The military's readiness woes have gone front and center in the presidential campaign. Republican George W. Bush argues that a decade of budget cuts and increased deployments have left the armed forces worn out and ill equipped."
"Adm. Vern Clark, the chief of naval operations, said at the Pentagon yesterday that the Navy is short on the type of oiler that can refuel the Cole and other warships at sea."
"Pentagon officials said refueling stops in Yemen were started by U.S. Central Command in July 1999 as a way to establish strategic relations with a generally U.S.-friendly Yemeni government. The Cole's stop was the 12th for a U.S. warship."
Washington Times
Destroyers have historically been thin-skinned for speed, maneuverability and range. The are nicknamed tin cans for a reason. If fact their original name was torpedo boat destroyer. They were designed to deal with the small torpedo boats that were built when torpedoes first were developed. Andrew has done a good job of filling in the basics of destroyer design.
I am curious also at the amount of damage but enough C4 in a shaped charge configuration can be devastating. I believe US torpedo warheads in WWII only carried 300 lbs. of explosive. With 500 lbs. of a modern higher grade explosive I can see the damage inflicted as being possible.
In the news today a F-16 fighter engaged and destroyed an Iraqi SAM site that locked onto the fighter. After being cleared by Central Command and Subway Subs Inc, who sponsored this plane to make sure that no franchise installations were in the area, attacked the Iraqi position. Dropped was a new bomb model cojointly developed by Microsoft and DARPA, called the "NT Bomb" for New Technology, successfully destroying the installation according to Michael Ballmer, the son of MS CEO Steve Ballmer, the 9 year old stated "I FRAGG EM!! I FRAGGED EM GOOD!"
However, sources close to the NRO, the government agency in charge of sattellite reconisence disputed the claim by showing sattelite recon of the area with no sign of damage. The NRO quick to show case its latest "big bird" spy sat running on Oracle software and Sun system hardware, lambasted Microsoft for possibly 'pulling the wool over the pulblic' and that little if no damage was caused.
Microsoft could not be reached for comment on this, however they were quick to assure that no Iraqi open source developers were harmed or targetted in the attack, and that they REALLY did neutralize the threat.
Pentagon officials were unavailable for comment, and forwarded all press calls to Redmond.
Scarry huh>? Could be the future.
However, sources close to the NRO, the government agency in charge of sattellite reconisence disputed the claim by showing sattelite recon of the area with no sign of damage. The NRO quick to show case its latest "big bird" spy sat running on Oracle software and Sun system hardware, lambasted Microsoft for possibly 'pulling the wool over the pulblic' and that little if no damage was caused.
Microsoft could not be reached for comment on this, however they were quick to assure that no Iraqi open source developers were harmed or targetted in the attack, and that they REALLY did neutralize the threat.
Pentagon officials were unavailable for comment, and forwarded all press calls to Redmond.
Scarry huh>? Could be the future.
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