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The "new Iwo Jima" photo of the flag being raised at ground zero? Statue will change the races of the men in the photo

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Remember this famous photo? "The new Iwo Jima"

Well, a statue is being commissioned to commemorate it. But the NYFD has requested that the statue not reflect the original men in the photo, but rather men of 3 different races. Do you think this is appropriate? Why or why not?

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Firefighters Dan McWilliams, Billy Eisengrein, and George Johnson were captured in a now-famous photo, raising a flag, Iwo Jima-style, over the ground-zero wreckage. Copies of the photo--both legal and illegal--have spread throughout the world; the Record, the New Jersey paper that holds the copyright, is not enforcing it. So it would have seemed reasonable for the statue commemorating the moment, a model of which was unveiled on December 21, to have replicated the photo exactly.

Not so. At the request of the New York Fire Department, the sculptors who worked on the statue replaced McWilliams, Eisengrein, and Johnson--all white--with firefighters of three different races, because people of all races contributed to the rescue effort. While that is certainly true, the fact remains that it was those three firefighters who hoisted the flag. After all, the men depicted in the Iwo Jima monument, fashioned after another famous photo, are the individuals shown in the picture.

But perhaps we should just be grateful that the artists from Studio EIS, who created the statue, kept the firefighters male. In an effort to counter the ubiquitous images of male heroes at ground zero, the NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund has produced "The Women at Ground Zero," a video showcasing women working at the crash site.
 
that's weird, and i disagree. maybe they should just have some black people hanging around in the background or something, but it'd be sacreligious to change the centerpiece.
 
Assuming it's made of bronze or stone or some other typical statuary medium.....exactly how will they depict ethniciity?
 
I can see the firefighters, themselves, doing that. Not wanting to be remembered specifically, but more generally for the work that was done.
 
worth a laugh...kinda reminds me a brochure that was put out by the univeristy of wisconsin-madison last year that showed a picture of the student section of the football stadium at game time. it was latter revealed that black students were 'inserted' into the crowd to represent the diversity of the campus. my personal opinon? I don't think they should change the statue, why change history? we all know that there are non-white firefighters, right?
 
The three firefighters initially never wanted to be identified. They thought it tacky that they were singled out. Them and FF who got pictures taken of him in the stairwell of WTC1 all caught a lot of crap from their brothers, there was a good deal of animosity about both events according to what I've read.
 


<< Assuming it's made of bronze or stone or some other typical statuary medium.....exactly how will they depict ethniciity? >>



One of the men will have a 3 foot afro.
 
does it really matter?!? I don't see why the need to change the picture/statue from it's original form. If someone were to think that only white people helped out during Sept 11. just from looking at a picture, well then I'd call them ignorant. Making an issue of race (such as substituing the 3 people in the photogragh) is what we are trying to get away from in today's society, and that is, making an issue of it. Just doesn't make any sense to me.
 


<< One of the men will have a 3 foot afro. >>

LOL!

Seriously though, changing the race of those guys is racism. The PC crowd doesn't get it. They're their own worst enemy.
 
Political correctness gone bad.

3 people aren't enough. I think they need to depict 12 people in the proposed statue, covering 6 different races and both genders. No matter that only 3 people were part of the "event", we wouldn't want anybody to feel left out.
 
What about the animals. Sure all the people get the statues. If they're going to be so politically correct, have them stick some police horses in there, and maybe a goldfish or 2, since I'm sure more than just a few were lost in the tragedy.
 
Why must everything be politically correct? I'm sure there are African Americans, Asians, and Hispanics on the NYFD, but it was three white guys that raised the flag, and three white guys that should be rememberd.
 


<< Political correctness gone bad. >>

-- What mithrandir2001 said.

Although, I'm surprised that none of you seem to know that that that famous photo of the Iwo Jima flag raising on Mount Suribachi was staged. The first, real raising was done under much hairier conditions and with a smaller, less photogenic flag. The second raising was done for the photo op.

Anyone from the corps knows this.


 


<< << It's a bunch of BS. Race doesn't matter!! And they (everyone) needs to quit making it matter! >>

A new low for ATOT ...
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While i like your sig, please explain this comment...
 
Some interesting trivia:

The photo of the American flag being raised at Iwo Jima by photographer Joe Rosenthal was a staged shot. He won the Pulitzer for it! He showed up about 10 minutes after the first flag was raised and the original picture of that raising was taken by Lou Lowery. Lou never got the credit because his photo didn't have the emotion that the Rosenthal photo had.

See the real photos at the link below:

The real sequence of the photos
 
"Can't we all just get along???"

Is in the same category. To simply say that race, or ethnicity, or religion, or anything else, "doesn't matter," is ignoring the issue.
 


<< "Can't we all just get along???"

Is in the same category. To simply say that race, or ethnicity, or religion, or anything else, "doesn't matter," is ignoring the issue.
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I believe he meant more that in this case, race doesn't matter. Shall we re-write history just so that we can create an atmosphere of racism? It's one thing to oppose racism and marginalization of minorities where such problems arise.
It's another thing to GENERATE those problems for the sole purpose of giving yourself something to oppose.
 
Fantastic photo and a perfect idea for a statue.

I understand their ideas to have the 3 men reprisent 3 different races in the US, and I support it. A statue is a symbol.

but what races? white, black, asian, mexican?
 


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I believe he meant more that in this case, race doesn't matter. Shall we re-write history just so that we can create an atmosphere of racism? It's one thing to oppose racism and marginalization of minorities where such problems arise.
It's another thing to GENERATE those problems for the sole purpose of giving yourself something to oppose.
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Exactly.. if they want it to be non-racial and non-sexist.. make the statue with 3 people. Don't make it detailed enough in certain areas to show race or sex.(note im not an artist and don't know if this is viable.. just an idea).

Personaly, i think if they are going to make a statue of the picture.. it should be of the picture.
 
THE IWO JIMA PHOTO WAS NOT STAGED.

Lt. Col. Chandler Johnson, (later KIA), ordered 2nd Lt. Albert T. Tuttle, USMCR, to obtain a larger flag as a replacement for greater visibility to boost morale even more. A photographer named Joe Rosenthal happened to tag along and caught the photo by pure chance.

Yes, it was not the original flag, and yes, there are less dramtic photos of the original flag raising, but... It's a myth that the whole thing was staged solely for a photo op.
 


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<< Political correctness gone bad. >>

-- What <STRONG>mithrandir2001 </STRONG>said.

Although, I'm surprised that none of you seem to know that that that famous photo of the Iwo Jima flag raising on Mount Suribachi was staged. The first, real raising was done <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq87-3l.htm" target=blank>under much hairier conditions </A>and with a smaller, less photogenic flag. The second raising was done for the photo op.

Anyone from the corps knows <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.mcu.usmc.mil/MCRCweb/archive7a3.html" target=blank>this.</A>
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The famous photo rosenthal took was NOT staged. It was not the first flag to go up, but the picture that is the most widely known is not staged. When the marines went to take down the first flag and put up the second, rosenthal rushed over there with them. However, after taking the photo, he DID setup some posed shots. He later preferred the first set of pictures.

Believe me, I know this. 🙂
 
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