The new generation of unhandy Millenials

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I was debating posting this in off topic but figured its more relevant here in this sub-forum. Mods please move if needed.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...rced-host-tutorials-using-tape-measures-hamme

Home Depot Panics Over Millennials; Forced To Host Tutorials On Using Tape Measures, Hammering Nails

As wall street analysts celebrate the coming of age of the millennial generation, a group of young people who were supposed to lead another revolutionary wave of consumerism if only they could work long enough to escape their parents' basement, retailers like Home Depot are panicked about selling into what will soon be America's largest demographic...but not for the reasons you might think.

While avocado resellers like Whole Foods only have to worry about creating a catchy advertising campaign to attract millennials, Home Depot is in full-on panic mode after realizing that an entire generation of Americans have absolutely no clue how to use their products. As the Wall Street Journal points out, the company has been forced to spend millions to create video tutorials and host in-store classes on how to do everything from using a tape measure to mopping a floor and hammering a nail.

Home Depot's VP of marketing admits she was originally hesitant because she thought some of their videos might be a bit too "condescending" but she quickly learned they were very necessary for our pampered millennials.

In June the company introduced a series of online workshops, including videos on how to use a tape measure and how to hide cords, that were so basic some executives worried they were condescending. “You have to start somewhere,” Mr. Decker says.

Lisa DeStefano, Home Depot vice president of marketing, initially hesitated looking over the list of proposed video lessons, chosen based on high-frequency online search queries. “Were we selling people short? Were these just too obvious?” she says she asked her team. On the tape-measure tutorial, “I said ‘come on, how many things can you say about it?’ ” Ms. DeStefano says.


Meanwhile, Scotts Miracle-Gro has been forced to start training classes to remind frustrated millennials, who can't seem to keep their flowers alive, that plants need sunlight to grow (apparently not a single millennial ever took biology in grade school). Commenting on the tutorials, a defeated VP of Corporate Affairs, Jim King, admitted "these are simple things we wouldn’t have really thought to do or needed to do 15 to 20 years ago"...sorry, Mr. King this is your life now.

The Scotts Miracle-Gro Co. has started offering gardening lessons for young homeowners that cover basic tips—really, really basic—like making sure sunlight can reach plants.

“These are simple things we wouldn’t have really thought to do or needed to do 15 to 20 years ago,”says Jim King, senior vice president of corporate affairs for Scotts. “But this is a group who may not have grown up putting their hands in the dirt growing their vegetable garden in mom and dad’s backyard.”

“They grew up playing soccer, having dance recitals and playing an Xbox,” says Scott’s Mr. King. “They probably didn’t spend as much time helping mom and dad out in the yard as their predecessors or their predecessors’ predecessors.”

Companies such as Scotts, Home Depot Inc., Procter & Gamble Co. , Williams-Sonoma Inc.’s West Elm and the Sherwin-Williams Co. are hosting classes and online tutorials to teach such basic skills as how to mow the lawn, use a tape measure, mop a floor, hammer a nail and pick a paint color.

Unfortunately, at least for the Home Depots of the world, millennials now represent the largest demographic in America with 4.75 million 26 year olds roaming the streets of New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles without a clue as to how to use a tape measure.

The biggest single age cohort today in the U.S. is 26-year-olds, who number 4.8 million, according to Torsten Slok, chief international economist for Deutsche Bank . People 25, 27 and 24 follow close behind, in that order. Many are on the verge of life-defining moments such as choosing a career, buying a house and having children.

Millennials as a whole are America’s latest demographic bubble, overtaking the baby boom generation and, like them, transforming popular culture, retailing, media and lifestyles. They make up about 42% of all home buyers today, and 71% of all first-time home buyers, according to Zillow Group . Some 86% of millennial home buyers reported making at least one improvement to their home in the past year, more than any other generation, Zillow says.

While we have our doubts that it will save their business, retailers like J.C. Penney and West Elm are trying to adapt to the millennial generation by offering basic in-home services like installing televisions or hanging wall art.


J.C. Penney Co. says the group is willing to hire others for projects. The retailer has pushed into home services, including furnace and air-conditioning repair, water-treatment systems and bathroom renovations, and expanded its window-covering installation.

“They’re much more of a ‘Do-It-for-Me’ type of customer than a ‘Do-It-Yourself’ customer,” says Joe McFarland, executive vice president of J.C. Penney stores. “You don’t need a ladder or a power drill, you don’t even have to wonder if you measured your window right.”

Home-furnishings retailer West Elm offers service packages, which start at $129, to provide plumbing and electrical work, painting, installing a television and hanging wall art and mirrors.



 

shortylickens

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SCREW HOME DEPOT!


I've been applying for work all over the place and nobody wants to hire me. Then they go and take in millennials and whine about how much they suck!
 

herm0016

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I'm technically a millennial.

we own 2 houses, one is rented and we gutted the 2nd. installed 1200 sqft of real, nail down wood flooring, kitchen down to the studs, removed structural walls and put up beam and post... Most of it has come from depot or a local lumber yard.

though, we do have trouble hiring people with any mechanical skills at work. Have to teach them what the different screw drivers are called and such.
 

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lol what a bullshit article. More idiotic millennial hate from some boomer asshole at fake "journalism" zerohedge who is just pissed off that he'll be dead soon.
 
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lol what a bullshit article. More idiotic millennial hate from some boomer asshole at fake "journalism" zerohedge who is just pissed off that he'll be dead soon.

Why do you say that? I thought the article gave more than a few examples of services that were created that were unheard of years ago. I mean there is a video linked in that article from home depot showing how to use a tape measure. Wall art hanging service?? Reminding customers that plants die if sunlight cant reach them?

Im also starting to get a new generation of tenants in my rentals who seem to match the descriptions provided in the article. My other landlord associates too can corroborate stories of clueless young adults renting from them, I can only presume the age range provided fit into the millenial generation.
 

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“They grew up playing soccer, having dance recitals and playing an Xbox,” says Scott’s Mr. King. “They probably didn’t spend as much time helping mom and dad out in the yard as their predecessors or their predecessors’ predecessors.”

And whose fault is that? What kid is going to say, "hey, I don't want to have fun. I'd rather do housework all weekend!"

I'm a millennial (early 30s) but I'm extremely handy. My dad used to make me and my brothers pick weeds every Saturday afternoon growing up. I learned a lot of what I know from watching/helping my dad work on projects and the house, even though I spent 98% of my time playing videogames, watching TV, and playing with X-Men action figures. Nearly everything I do around my house is with my own two hands.

Seems like these kids who can't use a tape measure had lazy parents that weren't handy. Garbage in, garbage out.
 

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“They grew up playing soccer, having dance recitals and playing an Xbox,” says Scott’s Mr. King. “They probably didn’t spend as much time helping mom and dad out in the yard as their predecessors or their predecessors’ predecessors.”

And whose fault is that? What kid is going to say, "hey, I don't want to have fun. I'd rather do housework all weekend!"

I'm a millennial (early 30s) but I'm extremely handy. My dad used to make me and my brothers pick weeds every Saturday afternoon growing up. I learned a lot of what I know from watching/helping my dad work on projects and the house, even though I spent 98% of my time playing videogames, watching TV, and playing with X-Men action figures. Nearly everything I do around my house is with my own two hands.

Seems like these kids who can't use a tape measure had lazy parents that weren't handy. Garbage in, garbage out.

Same here. By virtue of my father making me help him around the yard, I was well versed in landscaping/yardwork/gardening by the time I hit high school. He loved creating rock gardens, outdoor features, growing vegetables, composting etc... and I knew enough to work as grounds/building maintenance for a church as my high school job. Paid better than cashier jobs at the grocery stores.
 

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Edit:

Home Depot's VP of marketing admits she was originally hesitant because she thought some of their videos might be a bit too "condescending" but she quickly learned that she didn't know how to use a computer.

Lisa DeStefano, Home Depot vice president of marketing, initially hesitated looking over the list of proposed video lessons, chosen based on high-frequency online search queries, because she did not understand double-clicking. Were we selling people short? Were these just too obvious?” she says she asked her team via conference call. On the tape-measure tutorial, “I said ‘come on, how many things can you say about it?’ ” Ms. DeStefano says, despite her phone still being on mute.

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Pretty hilarious reading about Home Depot failing to capitalize on this vast opportunity. Wah we have to charge insane rates to do pretty easy stuff, woe is me as a business owner.
 

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Edit:

Home Depot's VP of marketing admits she was originally hesitant because she thought some of their videos might be a bit too "condescending" but she quickly learned that she didn't know how to use a computer.

Lisa DeStefano, Home Depot vice president of marketing, initially hesitated looking over the list of proposed video lessons, chosen based on high-frequency online search queries, because she did not understand double-clicking. Were we selling people short? Were these just too obvious?” she says she asked her team via conference call. On the tape-measure tutorial, “I said ‘come on, how many things can you say about it?’ ” Ms. DeStefano says, despite her phone still being on mute.

End edit.

Pretty hilarious reading about Home Depot failing to capitalize on this vast opportunity. Wah we have to charge insane rates to do pretty easy stuff, woe is me as a business owner.


WTH are you on about?
 

VirtualLarry

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Not able to use a tape measure? It's basically a wind-up ruler in a spool, with a latch on it. Did they not get exposed to rulers in the classroom? (Were they banned, as being "prejudiced", and students needed a "safe space" away from rulers?)

MY GOD MAN. Idiocracy was a documentary... about millenials. Now let's pause for a station identification from Brawndo - "It's got electrolytes!"
 

Ichinisan

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I'm 37 and definitely NOT handy with home / car stuff.

My roommate is *barely* a millennial (born 1986). I was riding shotgun when he was pulled over by a police officer for a blown brake light. He started pondering when he could take his car to a shop to get a blown bulb replaced! I made him stop at one of the dozen or so car parts places on the way home. I'm NOT a car guy. Even I know you can find the bulb replacement procedure for a 2009/2010 Toyota Corolla on YouTube with a smartphone.

My out-of-state nephew was born in 1994. My twin brother and I send lots of stuff to him. Mostly gaming and computer/technology stuff. We are overly-generous uncles. We often have major/expensive problems that could be resolved if our nephew would just ship something to us. Instead, it's a constant challenge. Always the same thing: Can't do [obvious solution] because [nephew] would actually have to send [thing] to me.

He just can't get the motivation to overcome his anxiety and figure out how to ship anything to me.

I sent him a new iPhone 6s 64GB when it was still the current-gen iPhone. One condition: He needed to send me his broken iPhone 6 16GB. There were offers at the time to get a free iPhone 6s for any trade in. I intended to fix his phone and trade it in so my loss wouldn't be too extreme. I think it has been 1.5 years now. Never got it.
 
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Ichinisan

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No reason to be sensitive about it, Home Depot. Not knowing how to use a tape measure? Don't avoid condescension. Make a tutorial that mocks and insults their ineptitude. Shame may be a great motivator.

"I want to stand out and be better than what people expect from a millennial."
 

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You'd think millennials would be the most knowledgeable. They have access to countless YouTube videos and links through Google searches for anything from how to hammer a nail to building an entire house, not to mention the various trades/contractor forums. It's definitely laziness, ingrained into them by their parents.
 
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Oh look another thing Millennials are getting blamed for killing. Why not look back at home ownership over the last 20 years and reflect at the amount of "new" construction. Suburbanite parents bought brand new housing and moved in with their now Millennial kids. Their parents never had to do any work since the place was brand new. So there was never any skill to pass on. Millennials inherited a sky high housing market and ludicrous student loans and aren't buying anyway. They are renting. With renting comes a reduced need to needing to repair. So again, the need/ability is further diluted.

This isn't a millennial issue. They are simply a product of their environment.
 

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Oh look another thing Millennials are getting blamed for killing. Why not look back at home ownership over the last 20 years and reflect at the amount of "new" construction. Suburbanite parents bought brand new housing and moved in with their now Millennial kids. Their parents never had to do any work since the place was brand new. So there was never any skill to pass on. Millennials inherited a sky high housing market and ludicrous student loans and aren't buying anyway. They are renting. With renting comes a reduced need to needing to repair. So again, the need/ability is further diluted.

This isn't a millennial issue. They are simply a product of their environment.

Cmon now. The article mentions Scotts has to give instructions because millennials dont know to put their plants in sunlight so they can grow. Wall art hanging services? Tape measure instructionals? How to use a hammer? Mop a floor?

All of these examples are needed in any house, new or old.

I'll agree with you on the sky high housing market. Its true that more and more millennials are avoiding home ownership. But even living in a rental also necessitates the aforementioned skills.
 
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I will add that as a new realtor I am shocked at how many buyers make painting inside or outside a big deal. This applies to young & old. I'm always like buy some brushes, rollers and some paint. Then put the paint on a wall it's not that difficult and it does not require any skill but patience.

This isn't saying a professional painter is never needed or that my work would be better than a professional painter it's about cost and expectations
 

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I will add that as a new realtor I am shocked at how many buyers make painting inside or outside a big deal. This applies to young & old. I'm always like buy some brushes, rollers and some paint. Then put the paint on a wall it's not that difficult and it does not require any skill but patience.

This isn't saying a professional painter is never needed or that my work would be better than a professional painter it's about cost and expectations

Yep, my wife is a realtor and people also freak out if lighting fixtures are ugly. She reminds them lights are no big deal, change them! People will forgo a good deal on a house because purchasing a new light is excessive. And maybe $75 cost for an electrician if they cant hang it themselves. Unbelievable!
 

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I will add that as a new realtor I am shocked at how many buyers make painting inside or outside a big deal. This applies to young & old. I'm always like buy some brushes, rollers and some paint. Then put the paint on a wall it's not that difficult and it does not require any skill but patience.

This isn't saying a professional painter is never needed or that my work would be better than a professional painter it's about cost and expectations

My wife and I painted when we bought our first house - never again. I've put in doggie doors, ceiling fans, baseboards, door handles, patched drywall, fixed plumbing, ran cables, and mounted Tvs, and stained shelves. I will do any of those again, but anything more than touch up paint and I'm calling a professional.
 

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I can agree with this article.

I rent in a apartment building for last 11 years, its 4 stories tall and got 14 units per floor all individually owned units. Over the years i became friends with a guy who owns 4 units in the building(not mine, he is not my landlord). I saw him there doing minor repairs alot and eventually i ended up doing some of the repairs for him on his units as he lived a hour drive away and its not worth him driving a hour each way to change a light bulb when he can just pay me a few bucks to do it. All his current tenants are millennials and have been for past few years. And yes, some of his tenants, would literally call him to change a light bulb. Ive made probably 2-3k over the years doing basic handyman type repairs for him. Ive changed light bulbs, installed new light fixtures, replaced ballast in light fixture, replaced baseboard heaters, replaced hood fans, bathroom fans, painted, drywall mudding/repair, installed shelving, installed a new sink once, done many plumbing repairs, even gone over to plug in a new fridge or stove that the dumb tenants could not figure out or were scared off by the 220V plugs.... Fact is some younger people just have no clue at all.

All i can say is thank god im not a landlord it sounds like a shit show of a job. The guy i work for sometimes had one of his tenants call him at 1AM once because there shower wasnt working properly, the diverter valve was not functioning properly(the thing you pull to divert water from tap at bottom in tub to shower head at the top), demanded it be fixed immediately he absolutely had to shower right now, could not wait, was demanding the landlord rent him a hotel room so he could shower immediately. So he called me to see if i could go check it out, lucky for him it was a Friday and i was still up or i wouldnt have even answered at 1AM but i did and i went to check it out, sure enough diverter was bad, very low pressure to shower and still water coming out from tap at bottom even when valve opened, obvious bad valve. So i pulled it out of the wall cleaned it and couldnt get it to work, i think one of the internal o rings was leaking, nothing i could do to repair it, and now being close to 2am no where i could go to buy one. Called up buddy told him was not fixable needed new valve i could do in morning and he said i dont care what you need to do but if you fix it in next 30 min ill pay you $300 to do it. I was like holy shit seriously, and he was like yeah i need it fixed the tenant is driving me insane. So i went back to my unit pulled my diverter out of my own shower and installed it in his tenants unit. Went to home depot next morning to buy new diverter, for like $6, and pocketed $294 bucks for my troubles.

And im a millennial myself. Never worked in construction, never taken any courses on anything, just self taught or learned from my father growing up.
 
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He wanted the LL to put him into a hotel room? Yeah thats not happening.

One of my landlord friends mentions a story of clueless young kids. House is oil heat, boiler heating baseboard radiators and domestic hot water. Landlord explained to the tenants at lease signing day how the heating system works & that the oil tank was their responsibility to keep filled (also outlined in the lease). He gives them a full tank on lease signing, tenants have to buy oil and vacate with a full tank.

Anyway, they call up one cold winter night screeching and shouting on the phone; there was no heat and hot water, what is he going to do about this? LL asks them when the last time the tank was filled. <crickets> LL tries to explain the oil's role and importance in the heating system and its not sinking in; completely clueless. They didnt get the delivery concept and that it could run out. They dont want to hear any of this and start making threats about what they are going to do to the LL if the heat is not fixed. LL reminds them of the lease and it turns out the tenants had never even made an account with the fuel oil company for a fillup! He goes over there on a Saturday night with 10 gallons of diesel and pours it into the filler. Still doesnt work, the oil pump had sucked in either air or sludge at the bottom of the tank and now they need a service call. Hvac tech had to make an emergency call on Sunday morning to restore heat. He made the tenants pay for the service call (billed at their weekend emergency rate), all the repair parts, the 10 gallons of diesel he brought over plus a "Saturday night LL inconvenience fee". And then they had to start buying oil and paid for a 275 gallon fillup. Things get expensive when you are a fool!
 
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I'm not very handy or a millennial but being a home owner, I'm learning a lot of stuff. I did learn basics, yardwork, changing the oil/tire etc., but I didn't like working on bigger projects with my pops. Instead of me turning the wrench or hammering stuff, I would always be his gopher, grabbing tools he needed and just watching until he asked for something else. This especially turned me off with working on cars. So, now that I own a home, I'm constantly asking him questions, and he usually responds with "You've seen me do that before, you should know". Watching and doing are 2 different things IMO.

Now though, my stepson is 18 and he doesn't know anything. I try to get him to come out and do work with me but he's pretty much over it after 5-10 mins. I'm not sure if he remembers how to start a mower, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't know how to use a tape. It doesn't appear he did much work at his dad's house either.
 

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What the he'll happened to curiosity? When I was 5, I was taking things apart just to see how it worked. Tool use is part of being human. HTF do you turn it off?

Very few things anymore either allow or require them to be taken apart. Welcome to the the buy and replace society.