The New and Improved "G80 Stuff"

[josh6079]

MSRP

X1950XTX MSRP is $450 for both the CF edition and the regular cards. That's $900=450x2, not $1200.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: josh6079

MSRP

X1950XTX MSRP is $450 for both the CF edition and the regular cards. That's $900=450x2, not $1200.

you're right

i forgot about that

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Most likely it will be $599 for the GTX and $499 for GTS

 

[apoppin]

i still have one unanswered question

does anyone know for sure if the G80's 700m transistor flagship model is one core or dual?



in other words, is the flagship a replacement for the GTX or for the GX2?

 

[Gstanfor]

Who really knows if G80 is even 700M transistors? or any of the other things speculated so far? The latest gossip @ B3D from the 2 guys responsible for 99% of G80 rumors say it definitely isn't dual-core (hardly a suprise IMO). Jen Hsung Huang mentioned a figure around 500M transistors or slightly more for G80 in the last investor conference iirc.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Hmm, $600 and $500. Any word on when the midrange G80s might be released?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Who really knows if G80 is even 700M transistors? or any of the other things speculated so far? The latest gossip @ B3D from the 2 guys responsible for 99% of G80 rumors say it definitely isn't dual-core (hardly a suprise IMO). Jen Hsung Huang mentioned a figure around 500M transistors or slightly more for G80 in the last investor conference iirc.

thanks . . . seems reasonable

i thought 700m was a 'done deal' and looked "wrong" for a single core and the size of the die.

that's what you get when something gets repeated enough
:Q

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
If it doesn't, it'll be mightily disappointing, considering an overclocked C2D rig with CFed X1950XTXs comes awfully close to that score.... :disgust:

Yep, I do roughly 11,800.

I think 12K+ from a single 8800 is a pretty sure bet.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Even a "crippled" GTS seems like it would be a formidable graphics card.

Yep. And at $450 it better be.

 

[nitromullet]

in other words, is the flagship a replacement for the GTX or for the GX2?

Isn't one rumor that even if it is dual core that one core is for DX9 and the other for DX10? If that were the case, it wouldn't really be a replacement for the GX2. Honestly, I hope it's not "SLI on a single die"... SLI is cool and all, but I would like to have the option to go without it.

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Even a "crippled" GTS seems like it would be a formidable graphics card.

Yep. And at $450 it better be.

Another reason it better be a lot of card is that if the power requirements and water cooling possibilities are true, SLI GTX rigs will be a rare bird indeed (think quad-SLI rare), as most people will probably opt for the more realistic GTS SLI setup. The way I see it (based on my experiences with SLI and heat), if a single card is ideally water cooled optionally, dual cards will produce enough heat for it to be pretty much required. Considering that, a $1200+ SLI set takes on a whole new level of expense if it means also having to purchase a $500 PCP&C 1KW PSU and a water cooling setup, all of which might require you to buy a new case to hold all that crap.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Who really knows if G80 is even 700M transistors? or any of the other things speculated so far? The latest gossip @ B3D from the 2 guys responsible for 99% of G80 rumors say it definitely isn't dual-core (hardly a suprise IMO). Jen Hsung Huang mentioned a figure around 500M transistors or slightly more for G80 in the last investor conference iirc.

thanks . . . seems reasonable

i thought 700m was a 'done deal' and looked "wrong" for a single core and the size of the die.

that's what you get when something gets repeated enough
:Q

Well, what Jen Hsun said was "...over half a billion in transistors..." which means > 500M.
So the rumour of G80 being 700million isnt lost yet. Not to mention the chinese slides of G80 are almost identical to dailytech's G80 specs.

Im agreeing with Nitromullet. 8800GTX SLi will be rare as the 7800GTX 512mb SLi. Not due to quantity (we will find about this soon enough) but mainly due to heat/power/space.

Lopri add in the size of the 8800GTX/GTS.

The GTX is almost 11 inches according to dailytech who "said" they have the sample of the card. 11inchs is roughly 2.5 x 11 = 27.5 cm.

The GTS is 9 inches long, so its around 2.5 x 9 = 22.5cm.
I think both cards will end up similiar size to what we have now.

 

[nitromullet]

The GTX is almost 11 inches according to dailytech who "said" they have the sample of the card. 11inchs is roughly 2.5 x 11 = 27.5 cm.

The GTS is 9 inches long, so its around 2.5 x 9 = 22.5cm.

Thanks for pointing that out btw... I had not realised that DT had mentioned that they were two different sizes.

 

[Bibble]

Are these cards going to be overkill for a dell 1905FP (native resolution is 1280X1024) and a dell E152FP (1024X768) in a dual monitor set up? Obviously, I run games on the larger screen only. I plan on playing games like Oblivion and Crysis, which I know to be fairly graphics intensive at higher settings. I don't want to blow 500-600 if a 7900GTX or even a 7950GT will get me where I want to go, but I have the cash if its worth it. Thanks for your advice!

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: Bibble
Are these cards going to be overkill for a dell 1905FP (native resolution is 1280X1024) and a dell E152FP (1024X768) in a dual monitor set up? Obviously, I run games on the larger screen only. I plan on playing games like Oblivion and Crysis, which I know to be fairly graphics intensive at higher settings. I don't want to blow 500-600 if a 7900GTX or even a 7950GT will get me where I want to go, but I have the cash if its worth it. Thanks for your advice!

Most people will say its overkill, but if you buy a 7900, in 2 years from now you will be struggling with any new game, while if you buy a G80 you wont... So your choice.. Considering how heavy a game like Oblivion already is at those res, I would go for the G80

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

The GTX is almost 11 inches according to dailytech who "said" they have the sample of the card. 11inchs is roughly 2.5 x 11 = 27.5 cm.

The GTS is 9 inches long, so its around 2.5 x 9 = 22.5cm.

Thanks for pointing that out btw... I had not realised that DT had mentioned that they were two different sizes.

Its because of one reason. The GTX requires 12 memory chips. (32x12 = 384bit)
The GTS on the other hand requires 10. (32x 10 = 320bit)

The difference in the memory interface and the number of memory chips require different number layers of the PCB, and maybe even pathing changes. So this can affect the PCB size.

 

[KingofFah]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Another reason it better be a lot of card is that if the power requirements and water cooling possibilities are true, SLI GTX rigs will be a rare bird indeed (think quad-SLI rare), as most people will probably opt for the more realistic GTS SLI setup. The way I see it (based on my experiences with SLI and heat), if a single card is ideally water cooled optionally, dual cards will produce enough heat for it to be pretty much required. Considering that, a $1200+ SLI set takes on a whole new level of expense if it means also having to purchase a $500 PCP&C 1KW PSU and a water cooling setup, all of which might require you to buy a new case to hold all that crap.

Still not getting the whole "buy a 1kw PSU for SLI," when you can just buy two 500W PSU's that do the same job.

The PC P&C 1kw PSU has 12 volt rails of 18,18, and 36. Both the 18 12 volt rails are supposedly for the CPU, while the one 36 is for "graphics and drives.'

The multi-rail thing really tended to hurt performance anyway; many overclockers didn't find the same stability on the "lower-amp-more-rails" PSUs than the high-amp-single-rails.
So if I have two Ultra X-connect 500w PSUs with 34amps on the 12 volt rails, one for CPU's, other for video cards that comes up to a much cheaper solution (about 80$ from FS FT).
If the 34 amps for the graphics won't work for the GPUs, then the third rail (36amp) on the PC P&C won't work either. Then I can always take one adapter from the CPU PSU (2x 6-pin adapters on each card, right?) and split the load a little more. Either way, I see no reason to spend 500$ on the PC P&C PSUs. Even then, if you wanted to absolute ensure operation, get a third 500W PSU bring the total up to 120 with 3 rails each 34 amps. Definitely much better performance than the 500$ one.

I do agree that it will probably be pretty rare, since most people don't have cases that support two PSUs and water cooling probably will be required.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Truth be told, the whole separate rail thing is turning out to be mostly BS anyway - most 'multi-rail' PSUs are still drawing from the same line out of the box.

 

[imported_Crusader]

I dont know if I'm the only one thinking this theory or not but no one has mentioned it.. its thought the strange memory sizes were due to each card having a standard 512MB framebuffer and additional memory for performance free HDR/AA.
GTX having 256MB and the GTS having 128MB.

 

[nitromullet]

Still not getting the whole "buy a 1kw PSU for SLI," when you can just buy two 500W PSU's that do the same job.
...
I do agree that it will probably be pretty rare, since most people don't have cases that support two PSUs and water cooling probably will be required.

One PSU over two is pretty much a matter of asthetics, since the same can probably be done with two. Also, there are cheaper 1KW+ PSU's out there than the PCP&C, but they are still generally pretty pricey... The main point was that 8800GTX isn't going to quite be as ubiquitous as say 7900GT SLI, and you seem to agree with me on that.

 

[IndyJaws]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: Bibble
Are these cards going to be overkill for a dell 1905FP (native resolution is 1280X1024) and a dell E152FP (1024X768) in a dual monitor set up? Obviously, I run games on the larger screen only. I plan on playing games like Oblivion and Crysis, which I know to be fairly graphics intensive at higher settings. I don't want to blow 500-600 if a 7900GTX or even a 7950GT will get me where I want to go, but I have the cash if its worth it. Thanks for your advice!

Most people will say its overkill, but if you buy a 7900, in 2 years from now you will be struggling with any new game, while if you buy a G80 you wont... So your choice.. Considering how heavy a game like Oblivion already is at those res, I would go for the G80

That's my thinking exactly in putting together a new box. I know I won't need the power now, but want to future-proof my build as long as possible.

 

[SonicIce]

128 unified shaders would be appoximately how many regular shaders?

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: SonicIce
128 unified shaders would be appoximately how many regular shaders?

128 or 32 or 5 or whatever. The "unified" part means that the programmer can decide whether or not to use them as Vertex or Pixel shaders.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Still not getting the whole "buy a 1kw PSU for SLI," when you can just buy two 500W PSU's that do the same job.
...
I do agree that it will probably be pretty rare, since most people don't have cases that support two PSUs and water cooling probably will be required.

One PSU over two is pretty much a matter of asthetics, since the same can probably be done with two. Also, there are cheaper 1KW+ PSU's out there than the PCP&C, but they are still generally pretty pricey... The main point was that 8800GTX isn't going to quite be as ubiquitous as say 7900GT SLI, and you seem to agree with me on that.

A single PSU is cheaper to manufacture it has way fewer parts than 2 psus. The 1000w psu's may be expensive now but that's only because of the luxury premium.

 

[SonicIce]

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: SonicIce
128 unified shaders would be appoximately how many regular shaders?

128 or 32 or 5 or whatever. The "unified" part means that the programmer can decide whether or not to use them as Vertex or Pixel shaders.

i knew somene would say that. but i was wondering what it would be on average. maybe it stays the same during the whole game, then i would wonder which games use how many. is there any way to check whats being used in real time?

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Lopri add in the size of the 8800GTX/GTS.

The GTX is almost 11 inches according to dailytech who "said" they have the sample of the card. 11inchs is roughly 2.5 x 11 = 27.5 cm.

The GTS is 9 inches long, so its around 2.5 x 9 = 22.5cm.
I think both cards will end up similiar size to what we have now.

Adding as I speak. Thanks.