The New 2011 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Super Sport Worlds fastest production car

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Arkaign

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That thing was on Top Gear, and it's momentously impressive. Captain slow temporarily broke the production top speed record in it.

I imagine the generic Veyron isn't much more than a tune away from that range of performance, as the motor was intentionally down-tuned to the 1000hp level from the nominal 1200+hp output. I think there were a few other changes as well. That kind of high speed run is maddeningly spooky though, talk about zero room for error, and you have to change the tires after the run I believe (they only last a short while at 220+mph).

I wonder how much just the cost of ownership on one of those would be? Even if someone gave me one for free, I'd go broke with my complete income just trying to keep it in fuel, tires, brakes, not to mention insurance. I don't even want to think about what a tuneup would cost, how many different special filters, special fluids, etc, are involved. Makes a GT-R look like a Corolla in comparison I guess.

Vette is the everyman's supercar, although it's decently pricey compared to your run-of-the-mill Mustang/370Z, it is in the performance neighborhood of the world's top-tier makers, and it won't eat you alive with things like total drivetrain rebuilds every 15k miles :p
 
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The most gorgeous paint job ever.

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Arkaign

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SSSnail said:
"Overall, the car weighs about 2,600 pounds, giving it a power-to-weight ratio nearly double that of the Bugatti Veyron"

Crikey!!!
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AFAIK, power/weight ratio doesn't play much in top speed runs, but it's definitely got the power (and presumably the gearing) to make it there. Looks much better than the original as well.

If power/weight was the top speed formula, we'd have 300mph Atoms with lowly 500hp motors :D
 
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Arkaign said:
AFAIK, power/weight ratio doesn't play much in top speed runs, but it's definitely got the power (and presumably the gearing) to make it there. Looks much better than the original as well.

If power/weight was the top speed formula, we'd have 300mph Atoms with lowly 500hp motors :D
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I know, and I'm sure they do have the gearing for it as that's what the darn thing was built for. Can't wait to see the run.
 
PlasmaBomb

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Arkaign said:
That thing was on Top Gear, and it's momentously impressive. Captain slow temporarily broke the production top speed record in it.

I imagine the generic Veyron isn't much more than a tune away from that range of performance, as the motor was intentionally down-tuned to the 1000hp level from the nominal 1200+hp output. I think there were a few other changes as well. That kind of high speed run is maddeningly spooky though, talk about zero room for error, and you have to change the tires after the run I believe (they only last a short while at 220+mph).

I wonder how much just the cost of ownership on one of those would be? Even if someone gave me one for free, I'd go broke with my complete income just trying to keep it in fuel, tires, brakes, not to mention insurance. I don't even want to think about what a tuneup would cost, how many different special filters, special fluids, etc, are involved. Makes a GT-R look like a Corolla in comparison I guess.

Vette is the everyman's supercar, although it's decently pricey compared to your run-of-the-mill Mustang/370Z, it is in the performance neighborhood of the world's top-tier makers, and it won't eat you alive with things like total drivetrain rebuilds every 15k miles :p
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The tyres will last 37 miles at 248 mph... so say the boffins at Bugatti and those are some expensive tyres... at over £5k a pop (>$8k).

Top Gear test the Super Sport
 
PlasmaBomb

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Arkaign said:
AFAIK, power/weight ratio doesn't play much in top speed runs, but it's definitely got the power (and presumably the gearing) to make it there. Looks much better than the original as well.

If power/weight was the top speed formula, we'd have 300mph Atoms with lowly 500hp motors :D
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It should lower the rolling resistance a bit (not that it really matters at >200 mph), and reduce the load on the tyres, which are the weak point at those kinds of speeds.

darkswordsman17 said:
The car is still in development, so it'll take a while for them to get around to actually going after the record.
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They are also getting lots of nice publicity out of it...
 
Bartman39

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Ok so it is a real working version... But if they are still in development doesnt that also give Bugatti more time to refine the Veyron to a higher level...?

Granted the SSC Ultimate Aero II catches the eye a whole lot better but I kinda like the idea of the 2 ton aerodynamic block rather than a aerodynamic piece of styrofoam...
 
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Arkaign said:
AFAIK, power/weight ratio doesn't play much in top speed runs, but it's definitely got the power (and presumably the gearing) to make it there. Looks much better than the original as well.

If power/weight was the top speed formula, we'd have 300mph Atoms with lowly 500hp motors :D
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and downforce. you need lots of it to keep your car from flying off into oblivion :)
 
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Bartman39 said:
Ok so it is a real working version... But if they are still in development doesnt that also give Bugatti more time to refine the Veyron to a higher level...?

Granted the SSC Ultimate Aero II catches the eye a whole lot better but I kinda like the idea of the 2 ton aerodynamic block rather than a aerodynamic piece of styrofoam...
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Bugatti has already announced they're ending production of the Veyron. There's been rumors that they might eventually make a real all out performance car, but that'll be a ways off. Their next car is likely to be a large sedan using many of the Veyron's drivetrain components (but its likely to be detuned so it won't be seriously going after the top speed record).

Keep in mind it took years for Bugatti to finally get the Veyron out. The first concept (well they had one a couple of years before it even, but it was considerably different) showed up in 2001. The production car and record weren't done until 2005. And Bugatti is backed by Volkswagen (who owns Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, and Audi among others), so you have to understand it takes time to develop cars that deliver performance like this.

I believe the Ultimate Aero II has been in development for a while already so it isn't that far off. The original went into production in 2006 and got the record in 2007 which it held until a few months ago. The original car was knocked for its looks, so SSC went and hired a well regarded designer to help with the next version.

Yeah, there are a lot of fluff supercars that claim certain performance and then never even get made, but SSC has actually been there done that before.

But due to their size, SSC has to get publicity just to keep interest so that they'll be able to secure investment to actually make the cars. Volkswagen reportedly lost millions of dollars on each Veyron because of the high cost of development (its fallen as they produced more cars and are likely to carryover a lot of the development work on parts like the transmission and engine).
 
Malak

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The TVR Speed 12 weighed less than all of those. Unfortunately the road version was scrapped because of being too fast. There is a rumor they are going to make a new one to face Bugatti, but they already had a design with 1000bhp and 2200 lbs, so I don't doubt they can do it.
 
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PlasmaBomb said:
The tyres will last 37 miles at 248 mph... so say the boffins at Bugatti and those are some expensive tyres... at over £5k a pop (>$8k).

Top Gear test the Super Sport
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The tire thing isn't true. No car manufacturer can specify the tire that you put onto the car. For the Veyron to be sold in the US, it must meet federal guidelines, therefore Bugatti can not mandate you use their brand tire. As I've posted before, in a similar thread, the other cars that have top speeds near the Veyron use normal tires.

An F1 car, running far softer rubber, (and with downforce, far greater weight as well) have tires that last longer than 37 miles.

People get stupid when it comes to exotics, like the Ferrari Enzo oil change. As long as you meet the viscosity and change intervals, Ferrari does not have the ability to deny warranty coverage.
 
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Malak said:
The TVR Speed 12 weighed less than all of those. Unfortunately the road version was scrapped because of being too fast. There is a rumor they are going to make a new one to face Bugatti, but they already had a design with 1000bhp and 2200 lbs, so I don't doubt they can do it.
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TVR? Making a car? What?! :hmm:
 
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