The Negative Association between Religiousness and Children’s Altruism across the Wor

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Here's the paper in its entirety:
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822%2815%2901167-7.pdf

It seems that atheists are frequently under attack from more religious people who claim that morality derives from religion. This research shows that this isn't the case. A few quotes from this study:
religiousness wasinversely predictive of children’s altruism
and positively correlated with their
punitive tendencies.

While it is generally
accepted that religion contours people’s moral judg-
ments and prosocial behavior, the relation between
religiosity and morality is a contentious one.


Across all countries, parents in religious house-
holds reported that their children expressed more
empathy and sensitivity for justice in everyday life
than non-religious parents. However, religiousness
was inversely predictive of children’s altruism and
positively correlated with their punitive tendencies.

Together these results reveal the similarity across
countries in how religion negatively influences chil-
dren’s altruism, challenging the view that religiosity
facilitates prosocial behavior

These notions have been forwarded by recent pub-
lications as well, mostly using self-reports of hypothetical giving
and charity, documenting that religious people are more likely to
report higher rates of intended giving, but in fact, a careful meta-
examination of the studies measuring actual behavior shows that
there is little evidence for such a positive relation

Our findings robustly demonstrate that children from
households identifying as either of the two major world religions
(Christianity and Islam) were less altruistic than children from
non-religious households. Moreover, the negative relation be-
tween religiousness and spirituality and altruism changes across
age, with those children with longer experience of religion in the
household exhibiting the greatest negative relations.

A second major finding from these data is that religiosity affects
children’s punitive tendencies when evaluating interpersonal
harm. Interestingly, this result is in sharp contrast with reports
thatpatternsofmoraljudgmentsmadebysubjectswithareligious
backgrounddonotdifferfromthosewhoareatheists

Overall, our findings cast light on the cultural input of religion on
prosocial behavior and contradict the common-sense and popu-
lar assumption that children from religious households are more
altruistic and kind toward others. More generally, they call into
question whether religion is vital for moral development, support-
ing the idea that the secularization of moral discourse will not
reduce human kindness—in fact, it will do just the opposite





Not to say that this is the only form of moral behavior - the study was aimed at just two areas - altruism and how punitive children were.



 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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Is 1170 participants statistically significant and, if so, are they significant for any countries but those tested?
 

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So I'm not great with statistics or anything, but doesn't this study lump children from all six countries together, and then separate them according to age and religiousness? 27.6% being non-religious is far above the average reported in all of those countries aside from China; what if Chinese people are just far more altruistic, and therefore a disproportionate number of Chinese in the atheist category skew things? They do have a more communal culture, at least.

EDIT: Oops, missed that Canada was in there; they have similar levels of non-religious citizens, although it's still plausible that Canadians are more generous than Americans as well.
 
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So I'm not great with statistics or anything, but doesn't this study lump children from all six countries together, and then separate them according to age and religiousness? 27.6% being non-religious is far above the average reported in all of those countries aside from China; what if Chinese people are just far more altruistic, and therefore a disproportionate number of Chinese in the atheist category skew things? They do have a more communal culture, at least.

EDIT: Oops, missed that Canada was in there; they have similar levels of non-religious citizens, although it's still plausible that Canadians are more generous than Americans as well.
A reasonable objection to the studies conclusion - if it was valid. Within the paper, it said this was true across all of the countries studied. Regarding Magnus' objection - "all countries" was in the context of all of the countries that they had done this study in. As for the significance from their population size, I cannot answer - at the very least, it indicates a lot more research could be done - a larger population. However, it appears that the difference was quite pronounced in the population size they had - "robustly."
 

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After doing a little quick figuring, the confidence level is 2.87 which makes the results pretty meaningless. I'm more interested in why DrP chose to post this?
 

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It doesn't really say that in those exact words, and I don't know how to interpret figure 2 (the most relevant figure it would seem) to say that. Considering how tiny of a minority Christians and Muslims are in China (roughly 2-4% each), and assuming each country is roughly equally represented (~200 subjects a piece), it's doubtful they would be able to have a statistically meaningful number of religious subjects, considering they excluded other religions for that same reason.

EDIT: irt DrPizza
 

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After doing a little quick figuring, the confidence level is 2.87 which makes the results pretty meaningless. I'm more interested in why DrP chose to post this?
It parallels the other thread, but I thought it stood on its own. I debated between new thread and adding it to the other thread. If someone thinks it belongs in that thread, I can have another admin move it there.
 
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