The national debt...how serious is it?

duke

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America's debt is nearing 7 Trillion dollars. Can someone please explain to me why this is not such a big deal because I hardly ever hear anything about this. Is it good or bad? Does it really matter because we are the United States of America with the world's largest economy? Someone school me please. Thanks.
 

oniq

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Noone cares just ignore it, we'll all forget about it and brush it under the carpet.
 

HyTekJosh

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If it wasn't for debt increasing and allowed to be held, our economy would be meaningless
 

HappyPuppy

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It depends on your viewpoint. Different economists say greatly diffrent things.

If there was no national debt the US dollar would be worth so much that other countries couldn't afford to import our products, food, technology etc. This would lead to declining exports, massive layoffs, recession and, eventually, a depression.

That's extremely simplified but it will give you the general idea.

This would make a great topic of conversation/debate.
 

RIGorous1

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If I remember correctly the debt is somewhere near 5 trillion dollars. ($5,000,000,000,000)

I read in a economic break down of the average tax dollar that about 15 cents on each tax dollar goes to repaying the debt.

if you are rich then you love the government getting heavier into debt because they have to issue more treasury bonds at higher interest rates than other commodities.

if you are poor then the debt is bad because all the money wasted on repaying the debt is taking away from social services, military, and various other aid.

Schadenfroh: We cannot just print more money because any form of currency is Fiat (look it up) money and therefore the more you print the more worthless it becomes. Back before modern economic theory, during the colonial days each state printed their own money to pay off the debts of the American Revolution:
As a result banks went bankrupt and closed often, and some currencies were worth more used as toilet paper. That is why Andy Jackson created the BUS ... (bank of united states) to centralize these problems and give more control to printing.
 

duke

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
It depends on your viewpoint. Different economists say greatly diffrent things.

If there was no national debt the US dollar would be worth so much that other countries couldn't afford to import our products, food, technology etc. This would lead to declining exports, massive layoffs, recession and, eventually, a depression.

That's extremely simplified but it will give you the general idea.

This would make a great topic of conversation/debate.

Really? The debt must eventually be paid, no? It just boggles my mind. My credit card company would hunt me down if I miss just one payment.
 

RIGorous1

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
It depends on your viewpoint. Different economists say greatly diffrent things.

If there was no national debt the US dollar would be worth so much that other countries couldn't afford to import our products, food, technology etc. This would lead to declining exports, massive layoffs, recession and, eventually, a depression.

That's extremely simplified but it will give you the general idea.

This would make a great topic of conversation/debate.


I would beg to differ on that theory. However there's no point in going into a long drawn out debate here since no one really cares...

(goes and works on supply and demand curves right now) :)
 

DukeFan21

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Originally posted by: RIGorous1
That is why Andy Jackson created the BUS ... (bank of united states) to centralize these problems and give more control to printing.

Jackson vetoed the chartering of the 2nd BUS. The 1st BUS was created in 1791, pushed by Hamilton
 

oniq

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08/27/2003 $6,788,645,666,601.51
08/26/2003 $6,792,309,952,142.68
08/25/2003 $6,789,437,055,838.61

Woo went down for once! :D
 

PunDogg

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Dont worry about it, we can always print more money

and then the American Econmeny and the American Dollar loses all value and dies, the end of america

Dogg
 

Lifer

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where is this debt coming from?

who are we borrowing money from and for what purposes?
 

Nocturnal

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Originally posted by: Lifer
where is this debt coming from?

who are we borrowing money from and for what purposes?

I believe we actually borrow money from other countries and we owe it back to them. Not all of it but some of it.
 

kt

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Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't a big chunk of the debt owed to the US citizens?
 

Antoneo

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Didn't we have a chance to use the profits gained in WWII to pay off our debts but instead chose to finance rebuilding efforts in Europe/Japan? If I am wrong please correct me.
 

CubicZirconia

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I read in a economic break down of the average tax dollar that about 15 cents on each tax dollar goes to repaying the debt.

I don't have a link, nor do I indend to look one up. But I've always been told this is basically propaganda. The debt isn't being paid off. The government would like you to think it is though. Notice how the National debt gets larger every year, not smaller.
 

LongCoolMother

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it seems like no one on atot that has replied so far really knows precisely about this national debt.

who is it owed to? some say other countries, some say people.
will it be paid back? some say it is, some say it isnt.

etc. im interested in getting the real scoop on this. who is it owed to, and does the US even care?