The most important thing that happened this past weekend in the US is this. Will people finally act?

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boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
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Hey, I understand you and a few others don't see this as something to be concerned about or not enough to call for material action. There's a lot of that about.
And I see yourself and a lot of others that get pumped full of the bullshit your news sources feed you to the point that you get all hysterical when you don't even understand what's going on. What's really bad is that you parade your ignorance around for everybody to see. But different strokes for different folks, eh? Hope it makes you feel better.

What authorizes the intelligence community to recruit informants that they then plant in political campaigns? What makes that legal? Should be a simple one for you to answer because you behave like you're fully informed.

As far as calling for material action. Here? You can't be even remotely serious. Grow a fucking pair and get out into the damned streets! Hiding behind a keyboard isn't going to accomplish anything. Get some skin in the game. Hit the streets, march, tear up some shit if you have to. You know where that bastard that you hate with every fiber of your being, every waking hour of every single day lives. Get out there and let him know you're not going to take his shit any longer.

I've been saying it for months. Nothing is going to come from any of this. Except that now it appears that maybe some of the 0bama regime could end up behind bars. Their intensive ministrations to put Hillary in the White House are having light shed on them. A lot of light and that light is getting brighter and brighter. Your hope is getting you nowhere. Your hope is getting you angry and agitated day after day. The people you get your news from know where all your buttons are and they push and push and push while you ask for more.

You've hitched your wagon to progressive ideology. You haven't admitted it to the rest of us and maybe not to yourself but that's where your allegiances lie. The people you have been indoctrinated to believe are the most righteous, the most moral are being exposed and in a big way. You're nothing but a foot soldier. A grunt that believes. If you want to jump off the cliff with your political heroes you most certainly may. But you have another choice, another path but you're going to have to cast off the brainwashing and indoctrination and use your brain in a manner you haven't had to for a long time. Get ready because here it comes. The people that are telling you that they aren't the ones lying to are... lying to you.

Think for yourself or stay the course. Who fucking cares? You're a nobody.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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And I see yourself and a lot of others that get pumped full of the bullshit your news sources feed you to the point that you get all hysterical when you don't even understand what's going on. What's really bad is that you parade your ignorance around for everybody to see. But different strokes for different folks, eh? Hope it makes you feel better.

What authorizes the intelligence community to recruit informants that they then plant in political campaigns? What makes that legal? Should be a simple one for you to answer because you behave like you're fully informed.

As far as calling for material action. Here? You can't be even remotely serious. Grow a fucking pair and get out into the damned streets! Hiding behind a keyboard isn't going to accomplish anything. Get some skin in the game. Hit the streets, march, tear up some shit if you have to. You know where that bastard that you hate with every fiber of your being, every waking hour of every single day lives. Get out there and let him know you're not going to take his shit any longer.

I've been saying it for months. Nothing is going to come from any of this. Except that now it appears that maybe some of the 0bama regime could end up behind bars. Their intensive ministrations to put Hillary in the White House are having light shed on them. A lot of light and that light is getting brighter and brighter. Your hope is getting you nowhere. Your hope is getting you angry and agitated day after day. The people you get your news from know where all your buttons are and they push and push and push while you ask for more.

You've hitched your wagon to progressive ideology. You haven't admitted it to the rest of us and maybe not to yourself but that's where your allegiances lie. The people you have been indoctrinated to believe are the most righteous, the most moral are being exposed and in a big way. You're nothing but a foot soldier. A grunt that believes. If you want to jump off the cliff with your political heroes you most certainly may. But you have another choice, another path but you're going to have to cast off the brainwashing and indoctrination and use your brain in a manner you haven't had to for a long time. Get ready because here it comes. The people that are telling you that they aren't the ones lying to are... lying to you.

Think for yourself or stay the course. Who fucking cares? You're a nobody.
^ Water boy for the fascists.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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I believe we must understand our opponent(s). If they have lost their minds then we must know what that... feels like? Or rather... we need to know their motivations and their supposed facts. So that we can better communicate the reality of the situation as a counter narrative to their alternative reality. We cannot just wave it off as crazy, people actually watch Fox News and believe this stuff.

It is the narrative of the political party in America who holds both houses and the Presidency. We cannot ignore how they got to this point. It requires a two prong approach. Both putting out the fires they start, and "arresting" the arson lighting these fires. It is no simple task either, attempting to understand a foreign mindset that resembles nothing recognizable. Yet duty may dictate its necessity. That is... if we care about our country and its rotten politics.

agreed. and in regards to your bolded section IMO - the whole they go low we go high all the time schtick isn't working out so great. neither is some of the political correctness going on. I'm not saying the entire leftist and/or anti-Trump movement needs to go low but we need some people to speak their minds more forcefully or something.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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And I see yourself and a lot of others that get pumped full of the bullshit your news sources feed you to the point that you get all hysterical when you don't even understand what's going on. What's really bad is that you parade your ignorance around for everybody to see. But different strokes for different folks, eh? Hope it makes you feel better.

What authorizes the intelligence community to recruit informants that they then plant in political campaigns? What makes that legal? Should be a simple one for you to answer because you behave like you're fully informed.

As far as calling for material action. Here? You can't be even remotely serious. Grow a fucking pair and get out into the damned streets! Hiding behind a keyboard isn't going to accomplish anything. Get some skin in the game. Hit the streets, march, tear up some shit if you have to. You know where that bastard that you hate with every fiber of your being, every waking hour of every single day lives. Get out there and let him know you're not going to take his shit any longer.

I've been saying it for months. Nothing is going to come from any of this. Except that now it appears that maybe some of the 0bama regime could end up behind bars. Their intensive ministrations to put Hillary in the White House are having light shed on them. A lot of light and that light is getting brighter and brighter. Your hope is getting you nowhere. Your hope is getting you angry and agitated day after day. The people you get your news from know where all your buttons are and they push and push and push while you ask for more.

You've hitched your wagon to progressive ideology. You haven't admitted it to the rest of us and maybe not to yourself but that's where your allegiances lie. The people you have been indoctrinated to believe are the most righteous, the most moral are being exposed and in a big way. You're nothing but a foot soldier. A grunt that believes. If you want to jump off the cliff with your political heroes you most certainly may. But you have another choice, another path but you're going to have to cast off the brainwashing and indoctrination and use your brain in a manner you haven't had to for a long time. Get ready because here it comes. The people that are telling you that they aren't the ones lying to are... lying to you.

Think for yourself or stay the course. Who fucking cares? You're a nobody.

This, from the guy that voted for Mussolini. What a fucking clown.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Jan 26, 2000
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What authorizes the intelligence community to recruit informants that they then plant in political campaigns? What makes that legal? Should be a simple one for you to answer because you behave like you're fully informed.

Here's the legal mandate of the DOJ:

"To enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to the law; to ensure public safety against threats foreign and domestic; to provide federal leadership in preventing and controlling crime; to seek just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; and to ensure fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans."

That and the supporting laws and regulations authorizes this action. There is no exemption for politics. Evidence of criminal actions was found and an informant legally used. But you omit the important part, that there is no justification that this was done for political purposes as NO evidence exists, but there IS for Russian interference in the campaign.

Yes, I am fully informed. There is no basis for the President interfering in an investigation of which he's a subject, no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the FBI in this regard. The FBI acted with propriety in its actions and you have not one material shred of evidence to say otherwise while I can clearly state that there was Russian involvement in the campaign and already there have been criminal consequences.

I'm not a Dem. I eschew ideology, but I stand for the rule of law based and against the usurpation of Constitutional powers, no, the claiming of powers that do not even exist, an authoritarian President who "demands" what he has no right to do. Authority by virtue of power? Interesting but old concept comrade.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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Republicans are hopeless, they will go down with Trump.
We'll all go down with him. Despite all the bullshit, his approval numbers are improving and the GoP is looking stronger and stronger going into mid terms. We are now at a point where there is basically nothing Trump or his party could do to lose the votes from conservatives.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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We are now at a point where there is basically nothing Trump or his party could do to lose the votes from conservatives.

Correct, which is why we should be giving more than "BUT TURMP" as a reason to vote. The Dems had this but sat around and yes I am continuing to beat on them because they need to move now. Hell as far as I can tell there are only Republicans and "some guys" in office as far as all this goes.

I'll also say this. If the Dems lose and have not stepped up in opposing Trump significantly more than we see then they deserve to lose. Those that support the status quo support Trump because whether we want it open war is declared by enemies domestic.
 

alien42

Lifer
Nov 28, 2004
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You've hitched your wagon to progressive ideology. You haven't admitted it to the rest of us and maybe not to yourself but that's where your allegiances lie..

humans have been hitched to progressive ideology for centuries, it's how we have been advancing to the point we are out now. you can ignore and deny reality all you want, but you won't change it from continuing to happen.

the irony is that if humans had lived by your ideologies, we would still be primitive without modern education, medicine and technology.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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And I see yourself and a lot of others that get pumped full of the bullshit your news sources feed you to the point that you get all hysterical when you don't even understand what's going on. What's really bad is that you parade your ignorance around for everybody to see. But different strokes for different folks, eh? Hope it makes you feel better.

What authorizes the intelligence community to recruit informants that they then plant in political campaigns? What makes that legal? Should be a simple one for you to answer because you behave like you're fully informed.

The law authorizes the intelligence community to have informants question individuals that evidence indicates may be agents of a foreign power. I mean... duh.

It's frankly unbelievable that this would even need to be explained to you, but then again I guess that's just you parading your ignorance around fro everybody to see. lol.

As far as calling for material action. Here? You can't be even remotely serious. Grow a fucking pair and get out into the damned streets! Hiding behind a keyboard isn't going to accomplish anything. Get some skin in the game. Hit the streets, march, tear up some shit if you have to. You know where that bastard that you hate with every fiber of your being, every waking hour of every single day lives. Get out there and let him know you're not going to take his shit any longer.

I've been saying it for months. Nothing is going to come from any of this. Except that now it appears that maybe some of the 0bama regime could end up behind bars. Their intensive ministrations to put Hillary in the White House are having light shed on them. A lot of light and that light is getting brighter and brighter. Your hope is getting you nowhere. Your hope is getting you angry and agitated day after day. The people you get your news from know where all your buttons are and they push and push and push while you ask for more.

You've hitched your wagon to progressive ideology. You haven't admitted it to the rest of us and maybe not to yourself but that's where your allegiances lie. The people you have been indoctrinated to believe are the most righteous, the most moral are being exposed and in a big way. You're nothing but a foot soldier. A grunt that believes. If you want to jump off the cliff with your political heroes you most certainly may. But you have another choice, another path but you're going to have to cast off the brainwashing and indoctrination and use your brain in a manner you haven't had to for a long time. Get ready because here it comes. The people that are telling you that they aren't the ones lying to are... lying to you.

Think for yourself or stay the course. Who fucking cares? You're a nobody.

The amount of projection here is absolutely amazing. That boomerang would tell anyone to cast off the brainwashing and indoctrination is just... just wow.
 

dank69

Lifer
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-over-our-legal-norms/?utm_term=.2fb05b9445d6

A seperate thread because is no longer a demand, a tweet, but a reality which has happened. This is crossing the rubicon, an actual act to interfere in the investigation by using Presidential power.

The Mueller investigation should continue but now is the time for Democrats to stand together as one and use all their influence, horse trading, whatever to recruit Republicans to remove Trump for the basis as Nixon. If they can't get formal support it's time to grow a spine and stand against this as much as they do with other concerns.

Will people step up and raise a real fuss about Trump's factual abuse of power up to and including impeachment if that seems possible or just sit around and shake their heads and offer thoughts and prayers for our nation?
Haha, remind me again why the Democrats should save you and the rest of the country from your decisions?
 

interchange

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Oct 10, 1999
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I agree. This is clearly a political power play by Trump and a result of failing to hold him accountable for prior acts in the direction of obstruction (if not crossing that line) and also failure to hold accountable Nunes and co. for legitimizing Trump's attacks on the probe.

Unfortunately, it's put the country between a rock and a hard place. Saying no inflames Trump's base and risks pushing Trump to fire Rosenstein and install a new deputy AG to hamper the Mueller probe. He doesn't have to fire Mueller to do it. In fact, it's better for Trump if that didn't happen. This way the new deputy AG could reduce the scope of the Mueller probe and limit his capacity to go after certain targets or make certain deals or other various things that seriously slow down the investigation, and none of those things would need to reach the public's ear. Rosenstein refusing to act on Trump's claim and demand would give Trump plausible deniability for his base and Congressional Republicans to avoid obstruction charges.

Handing it off to the IG unfortunately legitimizes Trump's paranoia which is based on no evidence, but it seems to be the most pragmatic choice to keep Rosenstein and Mueller on track.

Unfortunately, it's also another step down a slippery slope which should have ended Trump's presidency long ago (and if you're counting his business practices beforehand, ended his presidency before it even started)...

I think America's best hope is a Democratic majority in both houses post the midterms. At least then, even if there isn't enough to remove Trump, they can put Trump in check in various ways.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Haha, remind me again why the Democrats should save you and the rest of the country from your decisions?

Because it is their responsibility to act in the interests of the nation first and foremost. As the Republicans wont do their duty what happens is up to them. But if as you imply the role of Democrats is to do nothing then they have no place in our government either.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I think America's best hope is a Democratic majority in both houses post the midterms. At least then, even if there isn't enough to remove Trump, they can put Trump in check in various ways.

We don't even have promises of hope and change, nothing to suggest anything but the status quo. I'm sad to say that Dems may pull defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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Stay calm and vote the bums out. It's not really rocket science, if "young" (18-40) people start voting, GOP is done, for generations.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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I think Mueller is bating and trolling Trump with this shit, I think the special counsel wants Trump to cross the line.

may19th this article/leak
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/politics/trump-jr-saudi-uae-nader-prince-zamel.html

may 20th trump losses his shit on twitter
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/998256454590193665

And this sum may 22th
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog.../trump-keeps-bulldozing-over-our-legal-norms/

Like in foreign affairs Trump is getting led around the scene by people manipulating his emotional impulses... He is just a husk.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I think Mueller is bating and trolling Trump with this shit, I think the special counsel wants Trump to cross the line.
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He has with this and more, it sets an eternal precedent where the DOJ no longer has a justification for refusing such an investigation. If a President makes an unsubstantiated claim and demands the DOJ investigate even if he is party to the investigation then they can no longer say "No, this is not proper". It is now.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.


Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

How appropriate this is.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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If only the Democrats could win back the trust of the people they represent, then maybe they wouldnt lose elections?

Just a thought.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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He has with this and more, it sets an eternal precedent where the DOJ no longer has a justification for refusing such an investigation. If a President makes an unsubstantiated claim and demands the DOJ investigate even if he is party to the investigation then they can no longer say "No, this is not proper". It is now.
Imagine an analysis says that they need x people more of congress to fall in line, this action yields y. Did you notice how fast Rosenstein yielded, for all we know it was from a tweet, cause it sure wasnt monday yet. This was anticipated... I hope.

If only the Democrats could win back the trust of the people they represent, then maybe they wouldnt lose elections?

Just a thought.
100pct
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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So the DOJ will present some classified information to Nunes so he can go running to the White House? How many times will people fall for his bullshit?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Imagine an analysis says that they need x people more of congress to fall in line, this action yields y. Did you notice how fast Rosenstein yielded, for all we know it was from a tweet, cause it sure wasnt monday yet. This was anticipated... I hope.

Considering that Rosenstein understands he is on his own, that no one will stand behind him in any substantial sense (and I do not mean interfering in the investigation itself), he had no chance. Trump would have fired him and the Dems would have yelled at clouds. In no way are the Dems are as corrupt, but they are proving themselves cowards in a time of need.

Where the hell would we be if FDR, JFK, and MLK were such people as we are saddled with. They didn't just point fingers and say how bad their opposition was. Their opposition wasn't important, but the evil that existed and standing against it.

The best lack all conviction. They merely circle and point.