The mighty 350Z just got smoked..........

[AMCRambler]

It is apples and oranges. The XT has a turbo and the 350Z is normally aspirated. That means that even with a turbo it beats a 350Z by .2 seconds. Put a turbo on a Z and see what happens? The XT would be shut down by a lot more than two seconds! I gotta give Subaru credit for building a Soccer mom car with some balls though. It pisses me off that it can hose the Z! I don't think they'll sell many of them though. Soccer moms just aren't in the market for a car with that much power. They want something that's safe, reliable, and with lots of room. Chances are they won't opt for the bigger turbo engine as an option unless their hubbies get a say(and even then, I doubt they'd be able to justify the extra 2 grand). I could be wrong though. Seems like soccer moms are going for the bigger more powerful SUV's every day! I see more of those huge expeditions with the soccer ball bumper sticker than ever!

 

[maziwanka]

hahahah! thats awesome. i love subaru.

 

[LAUST]

Remember though a Turbo isn't just an instant 2 seconds, the 350Z had a 10:1 compression already,

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: bubbadu
Carpoint says 210 HP on the Forester XT... doesnt the Z has around 300?

The amount of horsepower doesn't really mean anything. It's one of MANY factors that come into play on a fast car.

yes, like TORQUE.

But more importantly, WEIGHT.

How much do they weigh?

Subaru: 3200lbs
Audi RS6: 4024lbs

Also, something I found a little disturbing to look at while looking at Audi's RS6 website:

"Here's something very important you must know about your vehicle. The high-performance RS 6 requires special synthetic engine oil, which must conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil). Failure to use engine oil for your engine that expressly conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) can cause engine failure on the highway that can cause a crash and serious personal injury. Please note the following:

- Never use any amount of engine oil in the engine that does not conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil).

- Always carry with you an extra quart of engine oil that conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) in case you must top off the oil while on the road. Never use any other kind of engine oil in your vehicle, not even to top off the oil level. We have provided you with a quart of the approved oil in the luggage compartment.

Here's something very important you must know about your vehicle. The high-performance RS 6 requires special synthetic engine oil, which must conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil). Failure to use engine oil for your engine that expressly conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) can cause engine failure on the highway that can cause a crash and serious personal injury. Please note the following:

- Never use any amount of engine oil in the engine that does not conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil).

- Always carry with you an extra quart of engine oil that conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) in case you must top off the oil while on the road. Never use any other kind of engine oil in your vehicle, not even to top off the oil level. We have provided you with a quart of the approved oil in the luggage compartment.

- If you use engine oil that does not expressly conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil), very serious and very expensive damage to your vehicle's engine will occur. Your Limited New Vehicle Warranty will not cover engine damage caused by using the wrong engine oil.

- Not all commercially available oils conform to this very rigid Volkswagen oil quality standard, even though they may have the same viscosity.


Your authorized dealer has the most up-to-date technical information regarding the correct oil specification and viscosity or your engine. Always ask your Service Consultant about the correct oil to use when topping off your engine. Refer to your Owner's Manual for details about oil specifications."

:Q

It's a fantastic machine that requires fantastic motor oil.....I do not see hwy you find it disturbing...

IN a way, they're kinda forcing an RS6 owner to use Audi dealerships for work, which sucks. Change your oil yourself or have someone else do it and you could be looking at a voided warranty if you use any other brand but theirs. I forsee price gouging and Audi's crappy service as a problem.

If anyhting ever goes wrong (whihc is pretty much GUARANTEED in any V.A.G. vehicle), all they'd have to do is blame it to impropor maintenence and you're stuck with the bill and out your warranty. Audi/VW already are guilty of using this as a common scapegoat to not pay for warranty claims.

Audi doesn't charge for maintenance or oil changes for the first 50k miles.

 

[LAUST]

How did a 90K Audi get in a competition with a 30K subaru? 😕

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: rh71
Yeah, but it's ugly.

Exactly.
Everyone can throw all the numbers out that they want.
"Oh, my car beats your car by .23031 seconds in the quarter-mile, hence your car is a POS."
Whoopdedamndo.
None of that matters if the car is butt ugly.

Damn, that's a mouthful to spit out during your ricer flyby. Better just skip the speech & flyby, and just putt home with your tail between your legs, in your "performance" car.

• 😀 SOCCER MOM PWNZ JOO! 😀

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: rh71
Yeah, but it's ugly.

Exactly.
Everyone can throw all the numbers out that they want.
"Oh, my car beats your car by .23031 seconds in the quarter-mile, hence your car is a POS."
Whoopdedamndo.
None of that matters if the car is butt ugly.

Damn, that's a mouthful to spit out during your ricer flyby. Better just skip the speech & flyby, and just putt home with your tail between your legs, in your "performance" car.

• 😀 SOCCER MOM PWNZ JOO! 😀

But he's gotta do the flyby to show off his mAd tYt3 "fog lights" 😉 😀

- M4H

 

[FlashG]

All I want to add is that when Clutch and Driver gets through road torturing a vehicle no other publication wants to use it. Can you say abuse?

Either the Forrester or 350Z will probably more than satisfy anyone in their targeted demographics.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: bubbadu
Carpoint says 210 HP on the Forester XT... doesnt the Z has around 300?

The amount of horsepower doesn't really mean anything. It's one of MANY factors that come into play on a fast car.

yes, like TORQUE.

But more importantly, WEIGHT.

How much do they weigh?

Subaru: 3200lbs
Audi RS6: 4024lbs

Also, something I found a little disturbing to look at while looking at Audi's RS6 website:

"Here's something very important you must know about your vehicle. The high-performance RS 6 requires special synthetic engine oil, which must conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil). Failure to use engine oil for your engine that expressly conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) can cause engine failure on the highway that can cause a crash and serious personal injury. Please note the following:

- Never use any amount of engine oil in the engine that does not conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil).

- Always carry with you an extra quart of engine oil that conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) in case you must top off the oil while on the road. Never use any other kind of engine oil in your vehicle, not even to top off the oil level. We have provided you with a quart of the approved oil in the luggage compartment.

Here's something very important you must know about your vehicle. The high-performance RS 6 requires special synthetic engine oil, which must conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil). Failure to use engine oil for your engine that expressly conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) can cause engine failure on the highway that can cause a crash and serious personal injury. Please note the following:

- Never use any amount of engine oil in the engine that does not conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil).

- Always carry with you an extra quart of engine oil that conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) in case you must top off the oil while on the road. Never use any other kind of engine oil in your vehicle, not even to top off the oil level. We have provided you with a quart of the approved oil in the luggage compartment.

- If you use engine oil that does not expressly conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil), very serious and very expensive damage to your vehicle's engine will occur. Your Limited New Vehicle Warranty will not cover engine damage caused by using the wrong engine oil.

- Not all commercially available oils conform to this very rigid Volkswagen oil quality standard, even though they may have the same viscosity.


Your authorized dealer has the most up-to-date technical information regarding the correct oil specification and viscosity or your engine. Always ask your Service Consultant about the correct oil to use when topping off your engine. Refer to your Owner's Manual for details about oil specifications."

:Q

It's a fantastic machine that requires fantastic motor oil.....I do not see hwy you find it disturbing...

IN a way, they're kinda forcing an RS6 owner to use Audi dealerships for work, which sucks. Change your oil yourself or have someone else do it and you could be looking at a voided warranty if you use any other brand but theirs. I forsee price gouging and Audi's crappy service as a problem.

If anyhting ever goes wrong (whihc is pretty much GUARANTEED in any V.A.G. vehicle), all they'd have to do is blame it to impropor maintenence and you're stuck with the bill and out your warranty. Audi/VW already are guilty of using this as a common scapegoat to not pay for warranty claims.

Since this hasn't been addressed,

You can use any oil that conforms to the "Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01". You do not have to use their oil. It is against the law for them to say that you must use their product as long as there are other products that compare.

AMSOil has oils that meet VW 505 specs.

 

[tnitsuj]

That thing look sweet. I still miss my old 85 Subaru GL wagon. I loved that car even though the heat/ac stopped working around 100k, and I lost the tranny because the fluid was never chaged. I once fit like ten people in that thing in college....memories.

I would definately consider that Forester...but I would need to put in some sway bars or something to improve handling.

 

[StageLeft]

It's all good if that is what you like but I'm not into bimbo boxes. And this is ATOT, outside of ATOT
not everyone who gets a Forrester is thinking about dusting that Mustang GT at the stoplight.
They made that ad to appeal to those people who might not normally by this type of car, "Have
your cake and eat it, too." Same thinking went into the Vibe duo. Put the high revving screamer
from the Celica GT-S into a stationwagon hatch and there you go, performance and utility.
I'm not one for these bastardized creations. If you want a sports car then buy a sports car. If you need an SUV then get an SUV. If you need to carry loads then get a pickup.

Exactly right, and their car and advertising appeals to me. I'm not quite ready to through the towel in on my life yet and buy a kid-carter with no balls, but at the same time I realize that a sports car has no utility. This thing is just as good at carting kids around as anything else and is priced competitively AND it will kick your ass! So that's why I'd look at one personally.

I don't think they'll sell many of them though. Soccer moms just aren't in the market for a car with that much power. They want something that's safe, reliable, and with lots of room. Chances are they won't opt for the bigger turbo engine as an option unless their hubbies get a say(and even then, I doubt they'd be able to justify the extra 2 grand).

Seriously, for people like me, it would be a sell if I was in the market for a kid-carting mobile. $2k to give me a car that does 0-60 in low 5s while also satisfying ALL responsibility quotients for soccer-mom needs? Hell yeah!

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: bubbadu
Carpoint says 210 HP on the Forester XT... doesnt the Z has around 300?

The amount of horsepower doesn't really mean anything. It's one of MANY factors that come into play on a fast car.

yes, like TORQUE.

But more importantly, WEIGHT.

How much do they weigh?

Subaru: 3200lbs
Audi RS6: 4024lbs

Also, something I found a little disturbing to look at while looking at Audi's RS6 website:

"Here's something very important you must know about your vehicle. The high-performance RS 6 requires special synthetic engine oil, which must conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil). Failure to use engine oil for your engine that expressly conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) can cause engine failure on the highway that can cause a crash and serious personal injury. Please note the following:

- Never use any amount of engine oil in the engine that does not conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil).

- Always carry with you an extra quart of engine oil that conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) in case you must top off the oil while on the road. Never use any other kind of engine oil in your vehicle, not even to top off the oil level. We have provided you with a quart of the approved oil in the luggage compartment.

Here's something very important you must know about your vehicle. The high-performance RS 6 requires special synthetic engine oil, which must conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil). Failure to use engine oil for your engine that expressly conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) can cause engine failure on the highway that can cause a crash and serious personal injury. Please note the following:

- Never use any amount of engine oil in the engine that does not conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil).

- Always carry with you an extra quart of engine oil that conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) in case you must top off the oil while on the road. Never use any other kind of engine oil in your vehicle, not even to top off the oil level. We have provided you with a quart of the approved oil in the luggage compartment.

- If you use engine oil that does not expressly conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil), very serious and very expensive damage to your vehicle's engine will occur. Your Limited New Vehicle Warranty will not cover engine damage caused by using the wrong engine oil.

- Not all commercially available oils conform to this very rigid Volkswagen oil quality standard, even though they may have the same viscosity.


Your authorized dealer has the most up-to-date technical information regarding the correct oil specification and viscosity or your engine. Always ask your Service Consultant about the correct oil to use when topping off your engine. Refer to your Owner's Manual for details about oil specifications."

:Q

It's a fantastic machine that requires fantastic motor oil.....I do not see hwy you find it disturbing...

IN a way, they're kinda forcing an RS6 owner to use Audi dealerships for work, which sucks. Change your oil yourself or have someone else do it and you could be looking at a voided warranty if you use any other brand but theirs. I forsee price gouging and Audi's crappy service as a problem.

If anyhting ever goes wrong (whihc is pretty much GUARANTEED in any V.A.G. vehicle), all they'd have to do is blame it to impropor maintenence and you're stuck with the bill and out your warranty. Audi/VW already are guilty of using this as a common scapegoat to not pay for warranty claims.

Audi doesn't charge for maintenance or oil changes for the first 50k miles.

Even i the dealership is 100 miles away. Will they pay for a mechanic to do the work?

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: rh71
Yeah, but it's ugly.

Exactly.
Everyone can throw all the numbers out that they want.
"Oh, my car beats your car by .23031 seconds in the quarter-mile, hence your car is a POS."
Whoopdedamndo.
None of that matters if the car is butt ugly.

Yeah but its barely uglier than any other family SUV kid-hauling box on the road, except it smacks the sh*t out of most of them and costs less to boot! And it's a subaru so you know it won't fall apart in 60k miles.

It's all good if that is what you like but I'm not into bimbo boxes. And this is ATOT, outside of ATOT
not everyone who gets a Forrester is thinking about dusting that Mustang GT at the stoplight.
They made that ad to appeal to those people who might not normally by this type of car, "Have
your cake and eat it, too." Same thinking went into the Vibe duo. Put the high revving screamer
from the Celica GT-S into a stationwagon hatch and there you go, performance and utility.
I'm not one for these bastardized creations. If you want a sports car then buy a sports car. If you need an SUV then get an SUV. If you need to carry loads then get a pickup.

Barely uglier is still ugly.

Okay dude, this is what is hil-fuggin-larious, that Subie is MUCH more functional then the 350Z, and also looks do not equal functionality, if you say it's ugly and you want a pretty car well then you want a bimbo box... It's just like my truck, at sealevel it's a 13 second truck, I did not build it for racing or I would have gone a totally different route, it's just fast from all it's torque (570lbs of it)... but guess what, it tows like a monster (as it was intended to do), can offroad, haul 1200lbs worth of whatever I need, seats 5 and serves as my daily driver. I'm guessing the non ugly car you have just goes from point A to B, which is fine, but don't say because that Subi has speed as a sideeffect it's not useful.

edit: I agree that it should not be marketed as something that is faster then a sportcar though. Put this thing on a road course with the 350Z and it'll get trashed, along with my truck and every other truck including the 2 in my sig. 🙂

according to your sig... that lighting doesn't seat 5.

 

[Ausm]

haha Nice post

Ausm

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: bubbadu
Carpoint says 210 HP on the Forester XT... doesnt the Z has around 300?

The amount of horsepower doesn't really mean anything. It's one of MANY factors that come into play on a fast car.

yes, like TORQUE.

But more importantly, WEIGHT.

How much do they weigh?

Subaru: 3200lbs
Audi RS6: 4024lbs

Also, something I found a little disturbing to look at while looking at Audi's RS6 website:

"Here's something very important you must know about your vehicle. The high-performance RS 6 requires special synthetic engine oil, which must conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil). Failure to use engine oil for your engine that expressly conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) can cause engine failure on the highway that can cause a crash and serious personal injury. Please note the following:

- Never use any amount of engine oil in the engine that does not conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil).

- Always carry with you an extra quart of engine oil that conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) in case you must top off the oil while on the road. Never use any other kind of engine oil in your vehicle, not even to top off the oil level. We have provided you with a quart of the approved oil in the luggage compartment.

Here's something very important you must know about your vehicle. The high-performance RS 6 requires special synthetic engine oil, which must conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil). Failure to use engine oil for your engine that expressly conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) can cause engine failure on the highway that can cause a crash and serious personal injury. Please note the following:

- Never use any amount of engine oil in the engine that does not conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil).

- Always carry with you an extra quart of engine oil that conforms to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) in case you must top off the oil while on the road. Never use any other kind of engine oil in your vehicle, not even to top off the oil level. We have provided you with a quart of the approved oil in the luggage compartment.

- If you use engine oil that does not expressly conform to Volkswagen Oil Standard 505 01 (5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil), very serious and very expensive damage to your vehicle's engine will occur. Your Limited New Vehicle Warranty will not cover engine damage caused by using the wrong engine oil.

- Not all commercially available oils conform to this very rigid Volkswagen oil quality standard, even though they may have the same viscosity.


Your authorized dealer has the most up-to-date technical information regarding the correct oil specification and viscosity or your engine. Always ask your Service Consultant about the correct oil to use when topping off your engine. Refer to your Owner's Manual for details about oil specifications."

:Q

It's a fantastic machine that requires fantastic motor oil.....I do not see hwy you find it disturbing...

IN a way, they're kinda forcing an RS6 owner to use Audi dealerships for work, which sucks. Change your oil yourself or have someone else do it and you could be looking at a voided warranty if you use any other brand but theirs. I forsee price gouging and Audi's crappy service as a problem.

If anyhting ever goes wrong (whihc is pretty much GUARANTEED in any V.A.G. vehicle), all they'd have to do is blame it to impropor maintenence and you're stuck with the bill and out your warranty. Audi/VW already are guilty of using this as a common scapegoat to not pay for warranty claims.

Audi doesn't charge for maintenance or oil changes for the first 50k miles.

Even i the dealership is 100 miles away. Will they pay for a mechanic to do the work?

Who lives 100 miles from a city? Not me.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
I'll still take the z .....

Me too. Are those stats good filled with all the people the ad talks about??

 

[HOWITIS]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: HOWITIS
the z would still win in the 1/4th. thats some pretty misleading advertising.




in the end neither are that great though. the z is overpriced for a sports car with that motor.

bone stock Forester 1/4 = 13.82. A stock Z can't hold a candle to that.

suck on this

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
I'll still take the z .....

Me too. Are those stats good filled with all the people the ad talks about??

Prolly not.

 

[HOWITIS]

stock zs can do 13.9-13.8. where is the info on this thing stock? also the z doesn't have 300hp even on the flywheel.