The media can now legaly lie to you directly.

CrackRabbit

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http://www.ceasespin.org/cease..._misinform_public.html


Fox News gets okay to misinform public, court ruling

The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdock, successfully argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. We are pushing for a consumer protection solution that labels news content according to its adherence to ethical journalism standards that have been codified by the Society of Professional Journalists (Ethics: spj.org).
A News Quality Rating System and Content Labeling approach, follows a tradition of consumer protection product labeling, that is very familiar to Americans. The ratings are anti-censorship and can benefit consumers.

Appellate Court Rules Media Can Legally Lie.
By Mike Gaddy. Published Feb. 28, 2003
On February 14, a Florida Appeals court ruled there is absolutely nothing illegal about lying, concealing or distorting information by a major press organization. The court reversed the $425,000 jury verdict in favor of journalist Jane Akre who charged she was pressured by Fox Television management and lawyers to air what she knew and documented to be false information. The ruling basically declares it is technically not against any law, rule, or regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news on a television broadcast.

On August 18, 2000, a six-person jury was unanimous in its conclusion that Akre was indeed fired for threatening to report the station's pressure to broadcast what jurors decided was "a false, distorted, or slanted" story about the widespread use of growth hormone in dairy cows.

The court did not dispute the heart of Akre's claim, that Fox pressured her to broadcast a false story to protect the broadcaster from having to defend the truth in court, as well as suffer the ire of irate advertisers. Fox argued from the first, and failed on three separate occasions, in front of three different judges, to have the case tossed out on the grounds there is no hard, fast, and written rule against deliberate distortion of the news.

The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdock, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves.

In its six-page written decision, the Court of Appeals held that the Federal Communications Commission position against news distortion is only a "policy," not a promulgated law, rule, or regulation. Fox aired a report after the ruling saying it was "totally vindicated" by the verdict.







This bad, very, very, very bad. This isn't just about Fox News, it means that any media outlet can tell direct lies to you with no consequences at all. Yellow journalism was a huge problem at the beginning of the 20th century and it took many years of reforms within the industry for it to become credible again.
It seems we have come full circle, so how long will we have to wait for journalism to become trusted again. :(

Edit: Of course in my lack sleep state I didn't notice this was old news. The new part of the article is about a group pushing for some type of rating system of the ethics and truthfulness of a media outlet. Would the people of P&N support such a system?
 

bamacre

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Well, it certainly doesn't change anything. They've been distorting the truth like it's their job.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
it means that any media outlet can tell direct lies to you with no consequences at all

Not true, just not legal consequences. There are other forces at work in the universe you know. How many people would watch a channel that was proven during its news segment to routinely and intentionally provide false information? People would tune out, ratings would go down, sponsors would drop off, and the channel would do something else. Yay capitalism.
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
it means that any media outlet can tell direct lies to you with no consequences at all

Not true, just not legal consequences. There are other forces at work in the universe you know. How many people would watch a channel that was proven during its news segment to routinely and intentionally provide false information? People would tune out, ratings would go down, sponsors would drop off, and the channel would do something else. Yay capitalism.

Obviously not, Fox News (just using them as the example from the article) has grown while other television news outlets have shrank.
 

OCGuy

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The government shouldnt decide what is true and what is false for printing. If you get your news from one source...heck, if you only get your news from US sources, you are probably very uneducated on world events anyway.
 

StageLeft

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That is crazy, as they are in a unique position and should have unique responsibilities.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
it means that any media outlet can tell direct lies to you with no consequences at all

Not true, just not legal consequences. There are other forces at work in the universe you know. How many people would watch a channel that was proven during its news segment to routinely and intentionally provide false information? People would tune out, ratings would go down, sponsors would drop off, and the channel would do something else. Yay capitalism.

Either that's sarcasm or someone hacked jonks account!
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
it means that any media outlet can tell direct lies to you with no consequences at all

Not true, just not legal consequences. There are other forces at work in the universe you know. How many people would watch a channel that was proven during its news segment to routinely and intentionally provide false information? People would tune out, ratings would go down, sponsors would drop off, and the channel would do something else. Yay capitalism.

Obviously not, Fox News (just using them as the example from the article) has grown while other television news outlets have shrank.

You have some basis for claiming the news programs, not opinion, on Fox routinely and intentionally present false info?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: OCguy
The NY times rejoices.

You don't get it, do you, asshat.

No, he doesn't. He's an ideologue (to be fair, not all the time), and so he can't deal with the fact that the media outlet defending the right to lie is Fox rather than the NY Times.

You see that a lot with righties, where they just make up facts to fir their biases.

On this issue, I lean towards the court ruling - what is a well-intended opposition to lying can easily have unintended consequences when a corrupt government - say, Bush - abuses the power to say news is false to censor its critics. We have to strongly err towards the freedom of speech and let the remedy be for more free speech to debunk the lies, than to use censorship, or it'll be turned around and abused to silence the truth in an abuse of power.

The problem isn't that Fox lies, it's somewhere else, that the public chooses to listen to the lies, that the wealthy interests are able to buy a dominant role in the media.

We aren't suffering for a lack of honest media - we're suffering for a lack of subscribers to the honest media.

I'd entertain other ideas to improve the situation, but the government getting to 'rate' the accuracy of news has more problems than solutions.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
That is crazy, as they are in a unique position and should have unique responsibilities.

Maybe Fox News should rename themslves

a) Fox Entertainment

or

b) The Conservative Onion

or

c) GOP Talking Points

or

d) Goebbels News Network

I'd have less problem with their lying then
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Skoorb
That is crazy, as they are in a unique position and should have unique responsibilities.

Maybe Fox News should rename themslves

a) Fox Entertainment

or

b) The Conservative Onion

or

c) GOP Talking Points

or

d) Goebbels News Network

I'd have less problem with their lying then

And their new motto:

We lie. You decide.

 

Robor

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
it means that any media outlet can tell direct lies to you with no consequences at all

Not true, just not legal consequences. There are other forces at work in the universe you know. How many people would watch a channel that was proven during its news segment to routinely and intentionally provide false information? People would tune out, ratings would go down, sponsors would drop off, and the channel would do something else. Yay capitalism.

Obviously not, Fox News (just using them as the example from the article) has grown while other television news outlets have shrank.

You have some basis for claiming the news programs, not opinion, on Fox routinely and intentionally present false info?

I think Phokus just did right above you!
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
it means that any media outlet can tell direct lies to you with no consequences at all

Not true, just not legal consequences. There are other forces at work in the universe you know. How many people would watch a channel that was proven during its news segment to routinely and intentionally provide false information? People would tune out, ratings would go down, sponsors would drop off, and the channel would do something else. Yay capitalism.

Obviously not, Fox News (just using them as the example from the article) has grown while other television news outlets have shrank.

You have some basis for claiming the news programs, not opinion, on Fox routinely and intentionally present false info?

Well there would be the example from the article.
If you happen to look through the jpg that Phokus posted there are several examples.
But they are intermixed with the opinion programs, that leads to a different thing of presenting opinion as factual news. Though it is similar.
 

bamacre

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What we should be more worried about is not media's ability to lie to us, but rather the government's ability to lie to us.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
it means that any media outlet can tell direct lies to you with no consequences at all

Not true, just not legal consequences. There are other forces at work in the universe you know. How many people would watch a channel that was proven during its news segment to routinely and intentionally provide false information? People would tune out, ratings would go down, sponsors would drop off, and the channel would do something else. Yay capitalism.

Obviously not, Fox News (just using them as the example from the article) has grown while other television news outlets have shrank.

You have some basis for claiming the news programs, not opinion, on Fox routinely and intentionally present false info?

I think Phokus just did right above you!

Do we really have to define what a lie is?

The graphic is almost entirely incendiary commentary and little statement of incorrect fact. "Hillary Clinton cheated on her taxes" would be a lie because it purports to state a verifiable fact. "Hillary sympathetic to terrorists" is an observation or point of view, incendiary or not, it isn't a statement of fact. Claiming "Democrats are emboldening terrorists" is not a lie, because it's a point of view, not a statement of fact.

And do the multitudes of typos really deserve refutation? You can probably find the same thing on MSNBC/CNN. Humans type into the prompters you know. Professions do not attempt to look likes idiots which is what typos do, thus they are presumably innocent error unless someone can prove otherwise.

I look with great skepticism on efforts to curtail first amendment rights.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: bamacre
What we should be more worried about is not media's ability to lie to us, but rather the government's ability to lie to us.

Uh...you have that the other way around, the media is supposed to guard citizens against being lied to by the government.

Remember the run up to the Iraq war and how the media basically abdicated their duties and they basically parroted Bush talking points about why invading iraq was good rather than ask tough questions?
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
it means that any media outlet can tell direct lies to you with no consequences at all

Not true, just not legal consequences. There are other forces at work in the universe you know. How many people would watch a channel that was proven during its news segment to routinely and intentionally provide false information? People would tune out, ratings would go down, sponsors would drop off, and the channel would do something else. Yay capitalism.

Obviously not, Fox News (just using them as the example from the article) has grown while other television news outlets have shrank.

You have some basis for claiming the news programs, not opinion, on Fox routinely and intentionally present false info?

I think Phokus just did right above you!

Do we really have to define what a lie is?

The graphic is almost entirely incendiary commentary and little statement of incorrect fact. "Hillary Clinton cheated on her taxes" would be a lie because it purports to state a verifiable fact. "Hillary sympathetic to terrorists" is an observation or point of view, incendiary or not, it isn't a statement of fact. Claiming "Democrats are emboldening terrorists" is not a lie, because it's a point of view, not a statement of fact.

And do the multitudes of typos really deserve refutation? You can probably find the same thing on MSNBC/CNN. Humans type into the prompters you know.

I look with great skepticism on efforts to curtail first amendment rights.

Hmmmm yes, Fox news identifying GOP leaders under scandal as (D) like 5 times in a row is 'human error'
 

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Originally posted by: techs

And their new motto:

We lie. You decide.

Now, there's a paradox. Faux could never go for that because they'd be telling the truth. :shocked:
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: OCguy
The government shouldnt decide what is true and what is false for printing. If you get your news from one source...heck, if you only get your news from US sources, you are probably very uneducated on world events anyway.

I agree that the government shouldn't censor the news, nor decide what is true or false. But an independent body like a snopes.com for media outlets that could rate a news organization on the factual content of its work.

I also agree that having a healthy sampling of news from everywhere keeps a person much more educated than getting all of your news from a single source. How many people do you know that take the time to do that though?