the Marvel pipeline

SirStev0

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I guess they are just going to do ... everything marvel ever made. DC is no better... I hear a teen titan's movie is in the works. something about aquaman... The Doom Patrol is already going?? Even independents are getting worn out... Watchman is back and word of a Hellboy sequel? I am sorry .. what is going on?

but lets be honest some adaptations are decent... the problem is now they are doing everything... and are they going to continue this every superhero is brooding and dark...

I know there is no original ideas in Hollywood... but wtf??? Everything ever made?


EDIT: had to add "and dark"
 

K1052

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With how well comic book based movies are doing it really isn't any wonder.

There is still plenty of original films coming out of Hollywood, but the sequels always draw the big headlines.

FWIW, I think Transformers is the best thing I've seen so far this summer.
 

Queasy

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Someone involved with Marvel, Stan Lee or Avi Arad or someone, already mentioned that their goal is to get every Marvel property up on screen.

When you think of how comic book sales have dropped after the crash in the 90s, it only makes sense for the comic book companies. It is another source of revenue for properties that they have had possession of for decades. And now that the technology is actually here to bring Super Hero movies to the screen without them looking like the cheese-fests of the 80s, Hollywood sees $$$$$ too.

I believe the Captain America and Thor movies are supposed to lead into an Avengers/Ultimates movie. DC is also working on a Justice League movie.
 

Fritzo

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There's a comic book movie paradox that I've never understood:

Marvel has some of the goofiest superheroes ever (Thor---the God of Thundah! WTF???) Many of them are very dated, hokey, and unbelievable.

DC on the other hand, strives to make their characters believable and more realistic, with great classic backstories.

Now, the paradox- Marvel seems to take these crappy characters and is able to crank out semi-decent movies left and right. DC on the other hand has a huge arsenal but can't make movies about it's characters, and when they do half the time they're very lackluster (I wish Superman never Returned :| ).

What gives????
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
There's a comic book movie paradox that I've never understood:

Marvel has some of the goofiest superheroes ever (Thor---the God of Thundah! WTF???) Many of them are very dated, hokey, and unbelievable.

DC on the other hand, strives to make their characters believable and more realistic, with great classic backstories.

Now, the paradox- Marvel seems to take these crappy characters and is able to crank out semi-decent movies left and right. DC on the other hand has a huge arsenal but can't make movies about it's characters, and when they do half the time they're very lackluster (I wish Superman never Returned :| ).

What gives????

Errr....Thor is based off of Norse Mythology. We're talking about fictional people with super powers and you're worried about who is the most realistic?

Until Spiderman/X-Men, Marvel did not have a single decent comic book movie. And it wasn't for a lack of trying...they just made bad deals and put out extremely crappy products...Captain America, the Fantastic Four movie that never made it to screen, etc.

I'd say that DC has some equally goofy characters...Wonder Woman was created by a psychologist in a polygamist relationship that was into S&M. Robin....yeah...Robin. Plenty of goofy characters in the rosters of both of the big two comic houses.
 

ChaoZ

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They should just make a movie of the Civil War event and break it down into different parts ala LOTR. I'd would definitely see it.
 
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Even though people think the marvel movies blow, they still make MILLIONS of dollars....so why not make every marvel comic into a movie?
 

Alone

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I don't mind. I won't go see the ones that don't interest me. At least this way I can choose to see it or not.
 

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Marvel Wants to Flex Its Own Heroic Muscles as a Moviemaker
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But Marvel makes relatively little money from these box-office bonanzas, because of unfavorable deals struck in the 1990s. A Lehman Brothers analysis calculated that Marvel made just $62 million from the first two ?Spider-Man? films.

By making his own movies based on other Marvel characters, Mr. Maisel hopes to transform his division of Marvel Entertainment into a true filmmaking brand, maintaining control from script to release, keeping all the profits for the company and building a film library, while using someone else?s capital.

Paramount Pictures will market and distribute the movies, for a fee. (Universal Pictures, which made 2003?s ?Hulk? by the director Ang Lee but sold back the rights to Marvel after its poor box-office performance, will handle that sequel.)

The financial model seems unusually favorable. Because most of the financing raised by Merrill Lynch (the $465 million revolving credit facility) is insured by Ambac Assurance, Marvel is not liable to repay its senior creditors if the movies tank. The Ambac deal uses the comic characters as collateral and thus requires no capital outlay by Marvel.

And on top of the profits, Marvel gets 5 percent of all film-related revenues as a producer fee.

Wall Street has already showed its approval, steadily lifting the company?s stock to Friday?s close of $26.78 from $19.43 a year ago.

?What they?ve done is take themselves from a niche licensing company and have really knocked the cover off the ball as far as execution where the stock is concerned,? said Brad Ruderman, of Ruderman Capital Partners. ?If they can make appealing movies, I don?t see any reason why they can?t be successful.?

But that if ? making successful movies ? has tripped up many a brilliant financial model in the past. And the favorable terms mask a hidden risk: If the movies are not successful, Marvel will forfeit the film rights to the characters in the deal, including Captain America, Thor, Nick Fury and the Avengers.

?It?s a convoluted, almost Rube Goldberg-type apparatus for generating higher profitability with minimal risk,? said Harold L. Vogel, of Vogel Capital Management. ?But we all know the movie business depends on how profitability is defined. We know most movies do not actually make money, or a lot of money. So I don?t know that they come out ahead at the end of the day, even when you adjust for risk and the time it takes. Why go through all this, except to generate fees for Merrill Lynch and some lawyers??

Veteran Hollywood insiders raised other caveats about the Marvel arrangement, including the company?s dependency on major studios for setting their marketing budgets and for overseeing distribution. The studios have been known to pay more attention to their own movies rather than those made elsewhere.

Additionally, Marvel?s slate of up to 10 films will be based on second-tier superheroes, who may not resonate with younger moviegoers. With the major studios continuing to pump out blockbusters based on the better-known Marvel characters, it could lead to a glut of the genre.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Yeah, Punisher, F4, Ghost Rider, all flops IMHO.

(fixed and bolded)

:shocked:

WHAT?
Punisher, I'll tell you, was an excellent movie. I however, refuse to touch F4. Ghost Rider I may look into one day, to see where they went wrong.. but they made good money on it at the box office, which is all that matters.

unless... sarcasm? Did you like all three? I understand not liking F4 and 'Rider, as both are rated low.



as for Marvel characters, a good portion of them I love. I just hope they don't bring every comic series to the silver screen, as not every character is worth it.
 

Pacfanweb

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Just got done watching Ghost Rider, and I don't know why people say it was terrible. I thought it was pretty good. Solid movie, IMO.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: destrekor
as for Marvel characters, a good portion of them I love. I just hope they don't bring every comic series to the silver screen, as not every character is worth it.

Who doesn't want to see "The Ant-Man"?
 

uhohs

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: destrekor
as for Marvel characters, a good portion of them I love. I just hope they don't bring every comic series to the silver screen, as not every character is worth it.

Who doesn't want to see "The Ant-Man"?

HANK PYM SCIENTIFIC ADVENTURER

i'd pay to see that movie.
 

sygyzy

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Fritzo
There's a comic book movie paradox that I've never understood:

Marvel has some of the goofiest superheroes ever (Thor---the God of Thundah! WTF???) Many of them are very dated, hokey, and unbelievable.

DC on the other hand, strives to make their characters believable and more realistic, with great classic backstories.

Now, the paradox- Marvel seems to take these crappy characters and is able to crank out semi-decent movies left and right. DC on the other hand has a huge arsenal but can't make movies about it's characters, and when they do half the time they're very lackluster (I wish Superman never Returned :| ).

What gives????

Errr....Thor is based off of Norse Mythology. We're talking about fictional people with super powers and you're worried about who is the most realistic?

Until Spiderman/X-Men, Marvel did not have a single decent comic book movie. And it wasn't for a lack of trying...they just made bad deals and put out extremely crappy products...Captain America, the Fantastic Four movie that never made it to screen, etc.

I'd say that DC has some equally goofy characters...Wonder Woman was created by a psychologist in a polygamist relationship that was into S&M. Robin....yeah...Robin. Plenty of goofy characters in the rosters of both of the big two comic houses.

Exactly. Probably the stupidest post I've read this week. Congrats Fritzo.
 

jtvang125

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Just got done watching Ghost Rider, and I don't know why people say it was terrible. I thought it was pretty good. Solid movie, IMO.

It was horrible. Took me two sittings to get through it and even then it was only Eva's cleavage that kept me going;).