The Marines are looking for a few good men.

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Skoorb

I'm not mistaken anything below the 30th percentile or so and you're determined to be too dumb for the military.

Too dumb for the military. Oh, depressing.

We currently have the most highly educated military in the history of mankind.

So, what exactly were you trying to say?

That being more educated than people from the Dark Ages isn't exactly a good measure of competence.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Skoorb

I'm not mistaken anything below the 30th percentile or so and you're determined to be too dumb for the military.

Too dumb for the military. Oh, depressing.

We currently have the most highly educated military in the history of mankind.

So, what exactly were you trying to say?

That being more educated than people from the Dark Ages isn't exactly a good measure of competence.

We do not have the most highly educated military in the history of mankind. For a superpower, it's rather low.

Of course, those who are highly educated in the military are highly educated.

I think it's more of a management problem really. Too much money and not enough accountability. Soldiers wages are awful, G.I bill is crumbling, VA is terribly underfunded (which leaves the 20,000+ injured hanging), and lack of soldiers in Iraq forces loyalists into an additional 4 or 5 tours of duty (which is why all these "atrocities" have been popping up around the country).

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
My friend went to the Army and the recruiter was generously nice.

They helped him cheat on all the tests even the test where he said he knew Farsi. I don't know how they helped him cheat on that one, but he got 10k out of it just for saying he knew Farsi. His Farsi was alright, but nowhere near as good as it should have been for him to get 10k.

This was before all the enlistment bonuses. Guy went to Iraq served the nation and came back. He technically wasn't supposed to even be allowed to go to the Army because he had a felony drug charge, but the recruiter again hooked him up.

This one time, at band camp...

As always nothing to add. Cause I > YOU. That isn't a love sign so don't blush.

I believe that you and the story about your "friend" are entirely full of shit.

And, just in case you didn't notice, I already contributed the most factual post in this thread.

GG.

You don't represent the military

for the 1,000x time.

 

[Siddhartha]

How much would the military have to pay to get college graduates to enlist?

To get quality people for the military, the US is going to have to pay more or institute a draft.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
How much would the military have to pay to get college graduates to enlist?

To get quality people for the military, the US is going to have to pay more or institute a draft.

Not as much as you might think.

This was back in 2003 when I first got out of school but I went down to the Army recruiter and talked to him. At the time the only "bonus" you got for being a college grade was to come in as a Specialist instead of a Private.

Also, he told me there was no way I could go directly into the Warrant Officer program to become a pilot because I didn't have any prior experience with choppers. This may or may not have been complete BS.

They were really trying to get me to sign up for Intelligence and that was the best deal, $40K bonus for a 6 year commitment, but the bonus is paid out over the course of your enlistment rather than all at once.

Things might be different now as they are more desperate, but not giving me my choice, which was helo pilot was a deal breaker for me. Their loss.

 

[palehorse]

In the Army National guard, prior service college grads also have the option of enlisting straight into OCS (MOS: 09S), which is apparently a bonus in and of itself.

just an FYI...

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
In the Army National guard, prior service college grads also have the option of enlisting straight into OCS (MOS: 09S), which is apparently a bonus in and of itself.

just an FYI...

I don't think you have to be prior service to even do that. Although I'm not as familiar with the ANG, as long as a unit has an opening and wants you, I believe a non-prior civilian can join 09S (officer candidate).

Much of the time in the Army Reserve, they'll direct commission an enlisted, bypassing OCS altogether.

Many of the SFC and higher I run into have degrees, and of course all officers... I wonder what the % is of college educated personnel in the Army (and USAR).

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: palehorse74
In the Army National guard, prior service college grads also have the option of enlisting straight into OCS (MOS: 09S), which is apparently a bonus in and of itself.

just an FYI...

I don't think you have to be prior service to even do that. Although I'm not as familiar with the ANG, as long as a unit has an opening and wants you, I believe a non-prior civilian can join 09S (officer candidate).

Much of the time in the Army Reserve, they'll direct commission an enlisted, bypassing OCS altogether.

Many of the SFC and higher I run into have degrees, and of course all officers... I wonder what the % is of college educated personnel in the Army (and USAR).

I believe some studies have shown that our military, on average, is more highly educated than the general population - in terms of the number of college degrees per 1,000 persons (or similar)

I don't remember the exact numbers, but I've seen the stats posted here in the past.

I also believe you're correct about both the ANG and USAR.

I'm actually considering a direct commission right now. I'm weighing it against Warrant Officer School. It's a tough choice, especially given my chosen line of work...

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: palehorse74
In the Army National guard, prior service college grads also have the option of enlisting straight into OCS (MOS: 09S), which is apparently a bonus in and of itself.

just an FYI...

I don't think you have to be prior service to even do that. Although I'm not as familiar with the ANG, as long as a unit has an opening and wants you, I believe a non-prior civilian can join 09S (officer candidate).

Much of the time in the Army Reserve, they'll direct commission an enlisted, bypassing OCS altogether.

Many of the SFC and higher I run into have degrees, and of course all officers... I wonder what the % is of college educated personnel in the Army (and USAR).

I believe some studies have shown that our military, on average, is more highly educated than the general population - in terms of the number of college degrees per 1,000 persons (or similar)

I don't remember the exact numbers, but I've seen the stats posted here in the past.

I also believe you're correct about both the ANG and USAR.

I'm actually considering a direct commission right now. I'm weighing it against Warrant Officer School. It's a tough choice, especially given my chosen line of work...

I'd go WOC. You'll deal with a lot less additional duties, etc. It's a rare thing to see a warrant as OIC of anything.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: palehorse74
In the Army National guard, prior service college grads also have the option of enlisting straight into OCS (MOS: 09S), which is apparently a bonus in and of itself.

just an FYI...

I don't think you have to be prior service to even do that. Although I'm not as familiar with the ANG, as long as a unit has an opening and wants you, I believe a non-prior civilian can join 09S (officer candidate).

Much of the time in the Army Reserve, they'll direct commission an enlisted, bypassing OCS altogether.

Many of the SFC and higher I run into have degrees, and of course all officers... I wonder what the % is of college educated personnel in the Army (and USAR).

I believe some studies have shown that our military, on average, is more highly educated than the general population - in terms of the number of college degrees per 1,000 persons (or similar)

I don't remember the exact numbers, but I've seen the stats posted here in the past.

I also believe you're correct about both the ANG and USAR.

I'm actually considering a direct commission right now. I'm weighing it against Warrant Officer School. It's a tough choice, especially given my chosen line of work...

The military is more likely to have a high school diploma then the general population, but members with 4 year degrees are significantly below the average for the civilian population. This just makes sense, as few enlistees have 4 year degrees, the average age of someone in the military is much younger then the rest of the population, and getting a 4 year degree while on active duty is pretty difficult.