The man who made Bush rich

[hagbard]

When Adolf Hitler needed money, who did he call?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I think you are reaching a bit now. Why not stick with recent history? There's plenty of garbage in the Bush plot line without resorting to these stories.

 

[burnedout]

shinerburke and I debunked most of this crap months ago.

 

[glenn1]

I think you are reaching a bit now.

I agree. Hagbard, what's with your fixation on the United States? It definitely does not seem healthy.

 

[BOBDN]

"I later covered a story about a scummy real estate deal of Jeb's: He tanked more than $4 million in loans on a commercial building -- money you and I ended up paying. Ah, what a capitalist, I thought."

I find it odd that no one ever mentions the reported $50 million lost by a savings and loan which was run by Neil Bush - the other never mentioned brother of Jeb and George. We US taxpayers paid for that too during the RTC days of the Reagan administration. The biggest banking scandal in our nation's history and we don't ever hear a word about it today.

It's as though it never happened.

But the Republics are still talking about Monica Lewinsky.

Ridiculous.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Now Neil Bush shadiness is fair game along with many other Bush family activities . . . but these Nazi stories are a nonstarter.

 

[Shad0hawK]

what people like that are just too plain stupid to realize is that "nazi" is a contraction for Nationalsozialist, which most people need not be a linquist to tell in english is national socialist and that the far left wingers such as this nutcase ideologically have much more in common with hitler, (particularly immense hatred of Jews and subscribing to socialism) then bush ever will. why so many hang on to this proven failure of a philosophy is beyond me. why people fall for it in the same manner decade after decade is totally astounding.

a socialistic anti semite in the early 21st century has a terrfying resemblence to the same creature of the mid 20th century.



it will all happen again, no one learns, no one remembers. history is always repeated in blood and ashes.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
what people like that are just too plain stupid to realize is that "nazi" is a contraction for Nationalsozialist, which most people need not be a linquist to tell in english is national socialist and that the far left wingers such as this nutcase ideologically have much more in common with hitler, (particularly immense hatred of Jews and subscribing to socialism) then bush ever will. why so many hang on to this proven failure of a philosophy is beyond me. why people fall for it in the same manner decade after decade is totally astounding. a socialistic anti semite in the early 21st century has a terrfying resemblence to the same creature of the mid 20th century. it will all happen again, no one learns, no one remembers. history is always repeated in blood and ashes.

Oh dear God.
Perhaps before lamenting other peoples stupidity you should take the time to check your own 'facts'.
Firstly, to nit pick, Nazi is a contraction of National Socialist German Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).

Secondly and more importantly, your assertion that this equates the Nazi party with modern day lefties is, frankly, laughable. A brief history lesson is in order. Adolf Hitler joined the then German Workers Party (Deutsche Arbeiters Partei) as a plant for German Army Intelligence, worried that it was a left-wing anti-establishment group. Hitler was much taken with the groups ideas, which closely matched his own (non-socialist) ones. His powers of public speaking were such that he quickly attracted mass support and used this to claw his way to the top of the party.

At his suggestion, in 1920 the name was changed to thhe National Socialist German Workers Party. At the time socialism was a very popular political philosophy - the largest political party was the German Social Democrat Party. In order to co-opt this popularity, the name change was adopted. Later occasional socialist-type policies were also adopted as a sop to the working class. However, this should not be taken as meaning that the Nazis were socialists, any more than the occasional crowd-friendly socialist-type policies undertaken by the US Republican party should be taken as meaning that they are socialists.

However, Hitler maintained that his "National Socialism" was very different to Socialism. Indeed Nazism is much more similar to Fascism, sometimes described as "Corporatism" in regards to its economic theory, although whether Nazism is a branch of Fascism or was merely inspired by it is a matter of much debate. Politically, of course, Nazism was a totalitarian construct with an ethnic-nationalism obsession and a belief in its own manifest destiny.

As to the Anti-semitism, this is also a much debated topic. Certainly it was a part of the Volkish revival in germany at the time, and nazi anti-semitism tapped into a like minded mood amongst significant portions of the population. Hitler's obsessional hatred for Jews, and his belief that they had betrayed Germany and caused its defeat in WW1, was also a major driving force, although the precise cause for this is still hotly debated.

Your sole correct assertion was that people pay little notice to history, and all our mistakes are repeated. Amongst the things I was surprised to learn about Hitler, when studying him at University, were the countries he announced he admired, in Mein Kampf. My memory of this is imprecise, but I recall that he specifically admired the UK, for its empire building - the way it invaded and subjugated the populations of third world nations, and some of the racist reasoning it used, and the USA, for the restrictive anti-immigration laws. Indeed, Hitler commented that America was succesfull because it kept itself pure of 'lesser races'.

I hope that this has not been too long a read for you, and that you find it illuminating! I shall leave you to draw what conclusions from it you shall...

 

[308nato]

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
what people like that are just too plain stupid to realize is that "nazi" is a contraction for Nationalsozialist, which most people need not be a linquist to tell in english is national socialist and that the far left wingers such as this nutcase ideologically have much more in common with hitler, (particularly immense hatred of Jews and subscribing to socialism) then bush ever will. why so many hang on to this proven failure of a philosophy is beyond me. why people fall for it in the same manner decade after decade is totally astounding. a socialistic anti semite in the early 21st century has a terrfying resemblence to the same creature of the mid 20th century. it will all happen again, no one learns, no one remembers. history is always repeated in blood and ashes.

Oh dear God.
Perhaps before lamenting other peoples stupidity you should take the time to check your own 'facts'.
Firstly, to nit pick, Nazi is a contraction <STRONG>of</STRONG> National Socialist German Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).

Secondly and more importantly, your assertion that this equates the Nazi party with modern day lefties is, frankly, laughable. A brief history lesson is in order. Adolf Hitler joined the then German Workers Party (Deutsche Arbeiters Partei) as a plant for German Army Intelligence, worried that it was a left-wing anti-establishment group. Hitler was much taken with the groups ideas, which closely matched his own (non-socialist) ones. His powers of public speaking were such that he quickly attracted mass support and used this to claw his way to the top of the party.

At his suggestion, in 1920 the name was changed to thhe National Socialist German Workers Party. At the time socialism was a very popular political philosophy - the largest political party was the German Social Democrat Party. In order to co-opt this popularity, the name change was adopted. Later occasional socialist-type policies were also adopted as a sop to the working class. However, this should not be taken as meaning that the Nazis were socialists, any more than the occasional crowd-friendly socialist-type policies undertaken by the US Republican party should be taken as meaning that they are socialists.

However, Hitler maintained that his "National Socialism" was very different to Socialism. Indeed Nazism is much more similar to Fascism, sometimes described as "Corporatism" in regards to its economic theory, although whether Nazism is a branch of Fascism or was merely inspired by it is a matter of much debate. Politically, of course, Nazism was a totalitarian construct with an ethnic-nationalism obsession and a belief in its own manifest destiny.

As to the Anti-semitism, this is also a much debated topic. Certainly it was a part of the Volkish revival in germany at the time, and nazi anti-semitism tapped into a like minded mood amongst significant portions of the population. Hitler's obsessional hatred for Jews, and his belief that they had betrayed Germany and caused its defeat in WW1, was also a major driving force, although the precise cause for this is still hotly debated.

Your sole correct assertion was that people pay little notice to history, and all our mistakes are repeated. Amongst the things I was surprised to learn about Hitler, when studying him at University, were the countries he announced he admired, in Mein Kampf. My memory of this is imprecise, but I recall that he specifically admired the UK, for its empire building - the way it invaded and subjugated the populations of third world nations, and some of the racist reasoning it used, and the USA, for the restrictive anti-immigration laws. Indeed, Hitler commented that America was succesfull because it kept itself pure of 'lesser races'.

I hope that this has not been too long a read for you, and that you find it illuminating! I shall leave you to draw what conclusions from it you shall...

Wheres the footnote to show where you retrieved thisinfo.........I am interested in the source.

Edit....clarified my ??

 

[dpm]

308Nato - Actually this came from what I can remember from various courses I took at University, and as such any errors are mine. I must admit that I used google to find out how to spell the German forms of NSDAP and GWP though

If there is anything you'd like authenticated though, or anything that i got wrong, I'm sure I could look it up for you.

 

[308nato]

"Hitler's obsessional hatred for Jews, and his belief that they had betrayed Germany and caused its defeat in WW1, was also a major driving force, although the precise cause for this is still hotly debated.."


Most of the post was historical fact with some opinion, the nazism/fascism relation is something to be debated, but the last half of the above sentence is unclear. What "precise cause" is hotly debated?

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: 308nato
"Hitler's obsessional hatred for Jews, and his belief that they had betrayed Germany and caused its defeat in WW1, was also a major driving force, although the precise cause for this is still hotly debated.." Most of the post was historical fact with some opinion, the nazism/fascism relation is something to be debated, but the last half of the above sentence is unclear. What "precise cause" is hotly debated?

308nato- You are completely right on point 1 , and I very much agree that "the nazism/fascism relation is something to be debated" - that was the impression I was trying to get across. However, I don't want to get into too much detail on that, as it is a very convoluted subject, and the major authorities on the subject do not agree. (I am guilty of taking a module on Fascism as part of my degree, and writing an essay on that exact question). In any case, its not massively relevant to the point of the post.

As for the last question, I simply meant that there is no broad historical agreement on the exact roots of Hitler's hatred for the Jews, with some even saying that he picked it up as a tool to gain popular support.

 

[EXman]

That is the biggest piece of trash I have ever read. laughable

If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: dpm Oh dear God.
Perhaps before lamenting other peoples stupidity you should take the time to check your own 'facts'.
Firstly, to nit pick, Nazi is a contraction <STRONG>of</STRONG> National Socialist German Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).

that is the full name of the party, as far as the contraction i suggest you write merriam-webster and tell them to correct the dictionary. when used as a noun in reference to a person such as calling them a nazi the way i and the dictionary use and define the term "nazi" in this instance was correct.

from www.merriamwebster.com

"Etymology: German, by shortening & alteration from Nationalsozialist, from national national + Sozialist socialist"

Originally posted by: dpm
Secondly and more importantly, your assertion that this equates the Nazi party with modern day lefties is, frankly, laughable. A brief history lesson is in order. Adolf Hitler joined the then German Workers Party (Deutsche Arbeiters Partei) as a plant for German Army Intelligence, worried that it was a left-wing anti-establishment group. Hitler was much taken with the groups ideas, which closely matched his own (non-socialist) ones. His powers of public speaking were such that he quickly attracted mass support and used this to claw his way to the top of the party.

actually i am not equating leftists with socialists, i merely pointed out the fact that leftists have more in common ideologically with the socialists of germany of that time which they do.

Originally posted by: dpm
At his suggestion, in 1920 the name was changed to thhe National Socialist German Workers Party. At the time socialism was a very popular political philosophy - the largest political party was the German Social Democrat Party. In order to co-opt this popularity, the name change was adopted. Later occasional socialist-type policies were also adopted as a sop to the working class. However, this should not be taken as meaning that the Nazis were socialists, any more than the occasional crowd-friendly socialist-type policies undertaken by the US Republican party should be taken as meaning that they are socialists.

so calling themselves socialists, and adopting many socialistic polocies(which they did) does not make them socialists? ROFL!!!

Originally posted by: dpm
However, Hitler maintained that his "National Socialism" was very different to Socialism. Indeed Nazism is much more similar to Fascism, sometimes described as "Corporatism" in regards to its economic theory, although whether Nazism is a branch of Fascism or was merely inspired by it is a matter of much debate. Politically, of course, Nazism was a totalitarian construct with an ethnic-nationalism obsession and a belief in its own manifest destiny.

here is what hitler said about it. does it sound like what socialists are saying today? yes it does.

"It is thus necessary that the individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole ... that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual. .... This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture .... we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow man."