The line between men and women has become blurred

[WHAMPOM]

Article from ABC news that talks about a transgender woman that became a man, then later in life had 3 children.

Person was born a woman
Changed gender to male
Never had female parts removed
Gave birth to 3 children

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/10/31/pregnant-man-thomas-beatie-may-stop-at-3-kids/

If someone can give birth, how can that person be defined as a male?

Isn't one of the dividing lines between male and female, is if they can bear children? If someone has ovaries and a uterus, how can that person be called a male?

The customs of your tribe are not the laws of the universe There are people born with testicles and a uterus, that you weren't is the miracle.

 

[momeNt]

Brilliant.

That being said, gender is not a social construct, it's a chromosomal reality. Surgery, hormone therapy and/or different clothes will not change that.

Gender is the social construct. Sex is the chromosomal reality.

Just clarifying that for you.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Its funny that the left shows so much tolerance for everyone and their choices.. unless that choice is to be a conservative.

Intolerance of intolerance, got anything else to carp about?

 

[Lithium381]

Yes

so how does the US not win EVERY "womens" event in the Olympics? We just need to get a bunch of trannies up in there and take take the gold

 

[Siddhartha]

Article from ABC news that talks about a transgender woman that became a man, then later in life had 3 children.

Person was born a woman
Changed gender to male
Never had female parts removed
Gave birth to 3 children

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/10/31/pregnant-man-thomas-beatie-may-stop-at-3-kids/

If someone can give birth, how can that person be defined as a male?

Isn't one of the dividing lines between male and female, is if they can bear children? If someone has ovaries and a uterus, how can that person be called a male?

Males have XY and femaies have XX chromosomes.

 

[peonyu]

Gender is the social construct. Sex is the chromosomal reality.

Just clarifying that for you.

Men and Women have different horomone levels, its not a social construct at all to say that on average a Man is stronger than a Woman. Or that a woman is more likely to comfort a child than a man would. There are social constructs out there but gender isn't one of them. Chromosomes and Gender / Hormones [XX/XY] are related down to a T and they effect how people act.

 

[ShawnD1]

so how does the US not win EVERY "womens" event in the Olympics? We just need to get a bunch of trannies up in there and take take the gold

lol East Germany

 

[spittledip]

I don't know where all this liberal vs conservative bullshit came from (although its ATPN so every thread has to be about it), but what I posted is the psychological and medical accepted definition, which has nothing to do with what side of the political spectrum you choose to fall under.

You are pretty naive to make that statement. To think that there is any school of thought in any field of study out there that is not influenced by something outside of that field of study is ridiculous.

 

[halik]

Gender is the social construct. Sex is the chromosomal reality.

Just clarifying that for you.

Err yeah, that's what I meant - they're interchangeable in my head.

 

[Demo24]

You are pretty naive to make that statement. To think that there is any school of thought in any field of study out there that is not influenced by something outside of that field of study is ridiculous.

I'm not making that statement, but of course that can be influenced. However in this case it does not matter. The definition of gender identity has been researched and agreed upon by a wide array of professionals in the psychological field. It does not get accepted into the DSM, or any other psychological resource without that. It would be quite rare to find a clinical psychologist that disregards the DSM, and such a person is probably a quack.

The point I was trying to make here is that this is not a liberal only definition. Not all psychologists are liberal, nor can such a bias be at all useful in the study of psychology.

This is not to say this cannot be challenged, of course it can but not without verifiable evidence to support the contrary.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Article from ABC news that talks about a transgender woman that became a man, then later in life had 3 children.

Person was born a woman
Changed gender to male
Never had female parts removed
Gave birth to 3 children

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/10/31/pregnant-man-thomas-beatie-may-stop-at-3-kids/

If someone can give birth, how can that person be defined as a male?

Isn't one of the dividing lines between male and female, is if they can bear children? If someone has ovaries and a uterus, how can that person be called a male?

The left at its best.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Never had female parts removed

Female parts,... funny, that's the same exact wording used in Borderlands.

Anyway, here you go:
Boy, the way Glen Miller played.
Songs that made the Hit Parade.
Guys like us, we had it made.
Those were the days!

Didn't need no welfare state.
Everybody pulled his weight,
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days!

And you knew where you were then!
Girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content.
Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent.
Those were the days!

Take a little Sunday spin, go to watch the Dodgers win.
Have yourself a dandy day that cost you under a fin.
Hair was short and skirts were long.
Kate Smith really sold a song.
I don't know just what went wrong!
Those Were the Days!

 

[Craig234]

so how does the US not win EVERY "womens" event in the Olympics? We just need to get a bunch of trannies up in there and take take the gold

Well, clueless scumbag, they have rules for that reason, to cover the grayer areas of human sexuality. Your ignorance is not an argument.

 

[Lithium381]

Well, clueless scumbag, they have rules for that reason, to cover the grayer areas of human sexuality. Your ignorance is not an argument.

So why insult me for my ignorance? Why not help educate me? That's very high of you, Craig.

As someone posted a few pages up, a woman(previously a man) played womens tennis... the "rules" of the tennis association tried to block her entry but the courts ruled it down... Am I wrong?

 

[spittledip]

You obviously don't know the history of the DSM-IV. If you care to, do some research.

I'm not making that statement, but of course that can be influenced. However in this case it does not matter. The definition of gender identity has been researched and agreed upon by a wide array of professionals in the psychological field. It does not get accepted into the DSM, or any other psychological resource without that. It would be quite rare to find a clinical psychologist that disregards the DSM, and such a person is probably a quack.

The point I was trying to make here is that this is not a liberal only definition. Not all psychologists are liberal, nor can such a bias be at all useful in the study of psychology.

This is not to say this cannot be challenged, of course it can but not without verifiable evidence to support the contrary.