The line between men and women has become blurred

[Texashiker]

You sound like the kind of person who claims 'gays aren't natural' because you haven't met one before, so you make it up.

We are not talking about gays here.

There is a difference between someone that is gay, and someone that is transgender.

Gender is defined on a genetic level, no amount of hormones or surgeries will ever change that. Whether someone wants to "act" like a different gender is their option.

But there is a difference in someone acting, and reality.

I can act like a fish all I want, but that does not change my genetic code and magically turn me into a fish.

 

[zsdersw]

These are not opinion concepts. They don't change because of your opinion and they are not basis of ignorance. Those beliefs are true and unchangeable facts, not concepts. We all can have "explanations" of our beliefs, but that doesn't change the very proof positive facts.

The fact is, this is proof that no matter much a person tries to change the outside, the true natural born state of the person remains unchanged. And I believe that when all the arguments are laid aside, the truth is what remains. This is and always will be a woman, no matter how they may believe, think, look, or feel. Fact is she was born a woman and will die a woman, even if she lies to herself until the day she dies.

You're arguing by yourself, because that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the fact that biology doesn't always fit our static definitions... and one day we as a human race will realize this, even you.

 

[Demo24]

How can someone call themselves man or woman, when they are not that type of person on a genetic level?

Because rarely do these individuals deny what they were born as. However if they fully identify as being the opposite sex what is the problem? There is no harm in doing so, nor do they really gain anything apart from internal peace. These individuals identify extremely strongly with the opposite sex and will never feel like the sex they were born as.

Fact is she was born a woman and will die a woman, even if she lies to herself until the day she dies.

They aren't 'lying' to themselves. That's like saying homosexuals are lying to themselves about being gay, because a man should always be attracted to a woman and vice verse.

 

[Craig234]

We are not talking about gays here.

There is a difference between someone that is gay, and someone that is transgender.

Gender is defined on a genetic level, no amount of hormones or surgeries will ever change that. Whether someone wants to "act" like a different gender is their option.

But there is a difference in someone acting, and reality.

You missed the point.

You are like someone used to be about gays.

Now gays are better understood by most people. Transgender much less so.

So, you are LIKE the people used to be about gays, but now about transgender issues.

 

[Fear No Evil]

I dont guess liberals believe in genetics? There are certain genetic traits that men and women do not share.

If science says that sex can be defined on a genetic level, but liberals say its all in your head,,,, how does that work out?

Lets say there was a murder case, could DNA evidence be thrown out because society no longer accepts there are physical differences between men and women?

Where does society draw the line? Science says "yes, there is a difference on a genetic level", but people say "no, there is no difference its all in your head".

"Science" is only applied by liberals when falsifying data to try to tax people more.

 

[classy]

Wrong, as you usually are on any issue of human sexuality. Because of your ignorance.

Of for the love of God..................

Life and Death, male and female, heterosexual and homosexual, are static and rigid facts, not concepts. And this story is proof positive.

No doubt this person, did everything they could to be a man. But what is the truth? Is this a man or woman?

No male can give birth to children. That is not a concept, a belief, but a 100% fact of nature. All truth, any truth, ultimately has one foundation.

 

[zsdersw]

"Science" is only applied by liberals when falsifying data to try to tax people more.

"Science" is only applied by conservatives when arguing fiscal matters; it is wrong about everything else.

 

[jhu]

How can someone call themselves man or woman, when they are not that type of person on a genetic level?

If I called myself a grizzly bear, I would not be magically transformed into a bear.

How about a fish, just because I call myself a fish does not mean I can grow gills and breath water.

Since you seem to be an expert on such issues, what would you call a person with 46XY karyotype and defective androgen receptors? Is this person male or female?

 

[Fear No Evil]

"Science" is only applied by conservatives when arguing fiscal matters; it is wrong about everything else.

So we're agreeing that conservatives are correct on fiscal matters? ()

 

[actuarial]

How can someone call themselves man or woman, when they are not that type of person on a genetic level?

If I called myself a grizzly bear, I would not be magically transformed into a bear.

How about a fish, just because I call myself a fish does not mean I can grow gills and breath water.

Here's a question: how accurate are you at guessing the gender of a person in the absence of a genetic test?

 

[Texashiker]

These individuals identify extremely strongly with the opposite sex and will never feel like the sex they were born as.

So, you are LIKE the people used to be about gays, but now about transgender issues.

Religions are getting a bad rap because some of the stuff they believe is not supported by science.

Is being transgender supported by science? Are people born with the wrong genetic code?

Society is supposed to accept transgender people, but religion gets a bad name? Aren't both founded on beliefs?

If we are supposed to start accepting beliefs as facts, where do we draw the line?

 

[jhbball]

"Science" is only applied by liberals when falsifying data to try to tax people more.

Can you be considered conservative if you weigh 300+ pounds?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Since you seem to be an expert on such issues, what would you call a person with 46XY karyotype and defective androgen receptors? Is this person male or female?

Do they stand or sit to piss?

 

[zsdersw]

So we're agreeing that conservatives are correct on fiscal matters? ()

I never said they weren't. I agree with conservatives on fiscal matters. It's their social policies and beliefs I wholly reject.

 

[Craig234]

Of for the love of God..................

Life and Death, male and female, heterosexual and homosexual, are static and rigid facts, not concepts. And this story is proof positive.

No doubt this person, did everything they could to be a man. But what is the truth? Is this a man or woman?

No male can give birth to children. That is not a concept, a belief, but a 100% fact of nature. All truth, any truth, ultimately has one foundation.

You're incredibly ignorant. Go read for a change.

 

[classy]

You're arguing by yourself, because that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the fact that biology doesn't always fit our static definitions... and one day we as a human race will realize this, even you.

Well now you sound a church person who says science doesn't have all the answers. You can't pick and choose based on what you want to be the answer. You have used people born with physical mistakes as a basis for truth for your belief. A person born with both sexual organs is no more a basis that being homosexaul is natural, than a person born with 6 toes and web feet is basis they will swim better.

If biology says only a female can birth, is this a man or a woman?

 

[zsdersw]

Of for the love of God..................

Life and Death, male and female, heterosexual and homosexual, are static and rigid facts, not concepts. And this story is proof positive.

No doubt this person, did everything they could to be a man. But what is the truth? Is this a man or woman?

No male can give birth to children. That is not a concept, a belief, but a 100% fact of nature. All truth, any truth, ultimately has one foundation.

Fact: intersex conditions exist.

Fact: some people are sexually attracted to both genders, and some are not attracted to either.

Our concepts that everyone is either this or that... male or female, heterosexual or homosexual, and even dead or alive... are what's wrong.

 

[classy]

You're incredibly ignorant. Go read for a change.

Tell me what I posted in that post is ignorant? Or is it because what I posted you didn't like it?

I have been saying for a while, a long long time, we choose to become they people that we are. Its a choice. And sometimes we even rather believe a lie than the truth.

 

[Craig234]

Religions are getting a bad rap because some of the stuff they believe is not supported by science.

That oversimplifies the issue. It's more about their making claims on scientific issues that are false and ignore science - issues like human sexuality.

Is being transgender supported by science? Are people born with the wrong genetic code?

Yes and you are oversimplifying again. The causes of homosexuality and transgender status are not clear to science. Much about them IS clear to science.

Society is supposed to accept transgender people, but religion gets a bad name? Aren't both founded on beliefs?

You are proving my post.

'I never met a gay person, so I'll just make stuff up about them.'

If we are supposed to start accepting beliefs as facts, where do we draw the line?

I repeat: go learn something before you keep spewing your ignorance.

I could point you to, say, a book on the topic. Be a grownup and look it up yourself.

 

[zsdersw]

Well now you sound a church person who says science doesn't have all the answers. You can't pick and choose based on what you want to be the answer.

Put the bong down for a moment.

You have used people born with physical mistakes as a basis for truth for your belief. A person born with both sexual organs is no more a basis that being homosexaul is natural, than a person born with 6 toes and web feet is basis they will swim better.

Who said anything about "mistakes"? I didn't proclaim anything a mistake, and neither does biology.

The fact remains... gender and sexuality are not the perfectly compartmentalized binary conditions we believe them to be.

 

[classy]

Fact: intersex conditions exist.

Fact: some people are sexually attracted to both genders, and some are not attracted to either.

Our concepts that everyone is either this or that... male or female, heterosexual or homosexual, and even dead or alive... are what's wrong.

Male or female are static and fact based. The basis or male and female is and always will be based on the natural-born physical part of a person. Dead or alive are also static and fact based. Heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual are parts of person's mental makeup or psyche.

 

[zsdersw]

I have been saying for a while, a long long time, we choose to become they people that we are. Its a choice. And sometimes we even rather believe a lie than the truth.

What, exactly, is a choice? Is having an attraction to the same gender a choice? Is having an attraction to the opposite gender not a choice?

Is being born male, female, hermaphrodite, or androgynous a choice?

 

[Texashiker]

That oversimplifies the issue. It's more about their making claims on scientific issues that are false and ignore science - issues like human sexuality.

I think this goes past human sexuality, there is a difference in being gay and being transgender.

How is genetics false and ignorance? Isn't there genetic code that is passed down from mother to daughter and father to son?

By looking at the genetic code, scientist can tell the sex of the person? Isn't that a fact, or is it junk science?

No amount of hormones and no amount of surgeries will ever change the scientifically proven fact that someone is male or female.

 

[zsdersw]

Male or female are static and fact based. The basis or male and female is and always will be based on the natural-born physical part of a person.

Hermaphroditism and androgyny say otherwise.

Heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual are parts of person's mental makeup or psyche.

Says who?

 

[dank69]

Do they stand or sit to piss?

Can women piss while standing? Can men piss while sitting? Can you ever piece together a single logical argument? Magic 8 ball says Yes, Yes, Outlook not so good.