The legalization of drugs

[Coro Dominicano]

Do you agree that a legalization will help society, and if you do, why hasnt it worked in Holland?

Info will be greatly apreciated.

 

[IronWing]

Criminalization takes the worst possible outcomes of drug abuse and makes them a certainty. Legalization, regulation, and social condemnation is a much better approach.

 

[drsafety]

Only weed should be legalized, thats my $.02

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

lol.. sounds like you need help with your research paper.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: drsafety
Only weed should be legalized, thats my $.02

what about recreational drugs? E/K, etc?

 

[loic2003]

and in what way do you feel it hasn't worked in holland?

 

[meltdown75]

i don't support the legalization of certain harder drugs like coke & heroin. i'd like to see the decriminalization of marijuana though, at least on a trial basis here in Canada. i'm not sure about legalizing and taxing the sales etc etc though... while i do support recreational use of it, i'm not sure being able to walk into a store and score a few joints would be a good thing for society. but then again, the tax revenues could be partially used for social spending on programs to treat addiction and educate the public on responsible use.

but basically i don't think society is ready for wide-scale legalization of any illicit substances. we have enough problems as it is.

 

[sixone]

Drug abuse should not be sanctioned in any way by our government. Drug abuse is use of any drug for any reason other than treatment of a medical condition.

Flame me all you want, but I'm secure in the belief that it'll never happen.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Criminalization takes the worst possible outcomes of drug abuse and makes them a certainty. Legalization, regulation, and social condemnation is a much better approach.

Exactly. Criminalization also does nothing to affect the rate of use/abuse.

Criminalization drives the drug trade underground, putting it in the hands of dangerous criminal gangs. The resulting crime spills over and affects far more uninvolved people. Criminalization RAISES crime rates.

Finally, when was the last time liquor dealers did drive-bys on each other? That's right, when alcohol was banned.

It's time to face facts and realize that criminalization does nothing to stop drugs, or drug abuse. Ask any drug free person why they abstain, and not a single one will say "because it's illegal."

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: sixone
Drug abuse should not be sanctioned in any way by our government. Drug abuse is use of any drug for any reason other than treatment of a medical condition.

Flame me all you want, but I'm secure in the belief that it'll never happen.

curious - do you feel that smoking a J - even once a month or once a year - is drug abuse?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: sixone
Drug abuse should not be sanctioned in any way by our government. Drug abuse is use of any drug for any reason other than treatment of a medical condition.

Flame me all you want, but I'm secure in the belief that it'll never happen.

Not banning a thing is NOT the same as condoning it's use.

It's time to realize that the government is NOT our mother. We do NOT need it to tell us what is bad, and what is good.

Again, ask any drug free person why they abstain, and not a single one will say "because it's illegal."

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: sixone
Drug abuse should not be sanctioned in any way by our government. Drug abuse is use of any drug for any reason other than treatment of a medical condition.

Flame me all you want, but I'm secure in the belief that it'll never happen.

Fine but you pay for the prisons and the costs of raising the kids while the parents are in jail and the costs of imprisoning the kids when they go on drugs 'cause their their parents are in jail. Wars are expensive. Wars against your own people doubly so.

 

[LeiZaK]

Originally posted by: Coro Dominicano
Do you agree that a legalization will help society, and if you do, why hasnt it worked in Holland?

Info will be greatly apreciated.

legalization :thumbsup:

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[squirrel dog]

I feel weed should be legal,for the taxation of it . This also would eliminate the criminal aspect of the weed trade .

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sixone
Drug abuse should not be sanctioned in any way by our government. Drug abuse is use of any drug for any reason other than treatment of a medical condition.

Flame me all you want, but I'm secure in the belief that it'll never happen.

Not banning a thing is NOT the same as condoning it's use.

It's time to realize that the government is NOT our mother. We do NOT need it to tell us what is bad, and what is good.

Again, ask any drug free person why they abstain, and not a single one will say "because it's illegal."

But UN-banning a thing is the same as condoning it. And I do agree with you, gov't should not be the ultimate authority - but right now, on this issue, it is. Going backwards will do more harm than good.

And yes, Melty, I do think one joint a year for non-medical reasons is abuse. Do I think you should go to jail for it? No. But YOU get to decide whether to take the risk or not, and you know what the possible consequences will be. I'm good with that.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sixone
Drug abuse should not be sanctioned in any way by our government. Drug abuse is use of any drug for any reason other than treatment of a medical condition.

Flame me all you want, but I'm secure in the belief that it'll never happen.

Not banning a thing is NOT the same as condoning it's use.

It's time to realize that the government is NOT our mother. We do NOT need it to tell us what is bad, and what is good.

Again, ask any drug free person why they abstain, and not a single one will say "because it's illegal."

But UN-banning a thing is the same as condoning it. And I do agree with you, gov't should not be the ultimate authority - but right now, on this issue, it is. Going backwards will do more harm than good.

And yes, Melty, I do think one joint a year for non-medical reasons is abuse. Do I think you should go to jail for it? No. But YOU get to decide whether to take the risk or not, and you know what the possible consequences will be. I'm good with that.

The government doensn't condone alcohol use/abuse, but we're free to use it as we please. It's *our choice*.

 

[K1052]

Drug prohibition is nothing but a (very expensive) disastrous failure.

It has not kept drugs out of the market. It merely keeps the drug trade extremely profitable and as a result fuels a huge amount of crime that would otherwise not exist.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sixone
Drug abuse should not be sanctioned in any way by our government. Drug abuse is use of any drug for any reason other than treatment of a medical condition.

Flame me all you want, but I'm secure in the belief that it'll never happen.

Not banning a thing is NOT the same as condoning it's use.

It's time to realize that the government is NOT our mother. We do NOT need it to tell us what is bad, and what is good.

Again, ask any drug free person why they abstain, and not a single one will say "because it's illegal."

But UN-banning a thing is the same as condoning it. And I do agree with you, gov't should not be the ultimate authority - but right now, on this issue, it is. Going backwards will do more harm than good.

And yes, Melty, I do think one joint a year for non-medical reasons is abuse. Do I think you should go to jail for it? No. But YOU get to decide whether to take the risk or not, and you know what the possible consequences will be. I'm good with that.

Dropping the ban is NOT the same as condoning it. It would be a shift in priorities from criminalization (an abject failure that caused FAR more harm than good) to education and treatment (the only government tactics that have had a postive effect on abuse).

Dropping the ban would not be going backwards, but forewards. Prohibition of alcohol created some of the most violent gangs in history. So has prohibition of drugs.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: sixone
And yes, Melty, I do think one joint a year for non-medical reasons is abuse. Do I think you should go to jail for it? No. But YOU get to decide whether to take the risk or not, and you know what the possible consequences will be. I'm good with that.

i'm good with it too. :evil:

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sixone
Drug abuse should not be sanctioned in any way by our government. Drug abuse is use of any drug for any reason other than treatment of a medical condition.

Flame me all you want, but I'm secure in the belief that it'll never happen.

Not banning a thing is NOT the same as condoning it's use.

It's time to realize that the government is NOT our mother. We do NOT need it to tell us what is bad, and what is good.

Again, ask any drug free person why they abstain, and not a single one will say "because it's illegal."

But UN-banning a thing is the same as condoning it. And I do agree with you, gov't should not be the ultimate authority - but right now, on this issue, it is. Going backwards will do more harm than good.

And yes, Melty, I do think one joint a year for non-medical reasons is abuse. Do I think you should go to jail for it? No. But YOU get to decide whether to take the risk or not, and you know what the possible consequences will be. I'm good with that.

I agree with you 100% :thumbsup:

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sixone
Drug abuse should not be sanctioned in any way by our government. Drug abuse is use of any drug for any reason other than treatment of a medical condition.

Flame me all you want, but I'm secure in the belief that it'll never happen.

Not banning a thing is NOT the same as condoning it's use.

It's time to realize that the government is NOT our mother. We do NOT need it to tell us what is bad, and what is good.

Again, ask any drug free person why they abstain, and not a single one will say "because it's illegal."

But UN-banning a thing is the same as condoning it. And I do agree with you, gov't should not be the ultimate authority - but right now, on this issue, it is. Going backwards will do more harm than good.

And yes, Melty, I do think one joint a year for non-medical reasons is abuse. Do I think you should go to jail for it? No. But YOU get to decide whether to take the risk or not, and you know what the possible consequences will be. I'm good with that.

Dropping the ban is NOT the same as condoning it. It would be a shift in priorities from criminalization (an abject failure that caused FAR more harm than good) to education and treatment (the only government tactics that have had a postive effect on abuse).

Dropping the ban would not be going backwards, but forewards. Prohibition of alcohol created some of the most violent gangs in history. So has prohibition of drugs.

I call BS. Did you miss the thread here on Denver's changes on MJ? 'Nuff said.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: K1052
Drug prohibition is nothing but a (very expensive) disastrous failure.

It has not kept drugs out of the market. It merely keeps the drug trade extremely profitable and as a result fuels a huge amount of crime that would otherwise not exist.

 

[Malak]

People have proved that no matter what, they are criminals. Just look at how many people committed armed robbery for an xbox360. Something that trivial and they will hurt people to get it. It's the same with drugs. Even things that are legal to get can still cause crime, nothing will change.

Drugs are bad, and you don't need them. Furthermore, they are dangerous and unhealthy, and the last thing we need is more unhealthy drugs on the market. The health costs suffered from cigarettes is staggering, just imagine when we have legal ODs and double the emphysema rate. Drugs will kill you, even mary jane.

 

[Tylanner]

weed is bad

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: Malak
People have proved that no matter what, they are criminals. Just look at how many people committed armed robbery for an xbox360. Something that trivial and they will hurt people to get it. It's the same with drugs. Even things that are legal to get can still cause crime, nothing will change.

Drugs are bad, and you don't need them. Furthermore, they are dangerous and unhealthy, and the last thing we need is more unhealthy drugs on the market. The health costs suffered from cigarettes is staggering, just imagine when we have legal ODs and double the emphysema rate. Drugs will kill you, even mary jane.

I don't think it can kill you... at least not directly or easily. It does however, slow reaction time, which is a bad thing for drivers or people operating heavy machinery.